Sonic The Hedgehog old school Genesis games. - Page 2

*Voltron* · 01-17-2005, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by raphael90

Sonic & Knuckles hands down for me! I loved playing that one...excellent levels, music, and story. Biggest complaint, stupid chaos emeralds are hard to get at times (I never could get enough of them to gain the full power)

I always felt that Sonic 2 held the title for most difficult emerald stages. S3&K are pretty easy in comparison(for me at least.)

My biggest complaint about any sonic game is the last level of Labyrinth Zone. Robotnik in that level is so mind bogglingly hard! I've never beaten him even after all these years. Every other level is perfectly doable, but Labyrinth will be the literal death of me.

*Anarchistguy* · 01-18-2005, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Voltron

I always felt that Sonic 2 held the title for most difficult emerald stages. S3&K are pretty easy in comparison(for me at least.)

My biggest complaint about any sonic game is the last level of Labyrinth Zone. Robotnik in that level is so mind bogglingly hard! I've never beaten him even after all these years. Every other level is perfectly doable, but Labyrinth will be the literal death of me.

Um...you DO know that You don't necessarily have to defeat Robotnik for this one. You just have to keep up with him. Chase Him past all of the obstacles.

愛 · 01-18-2005, 10:37 AM

That's his problem. He can't get past all of the obstacles. It is a difficult level, I agree.

*XERO* · 01-18-2005, 10:41 AM

Say, does Sonic CD count as old school?

Because I have yet to play it.

*DrSpengler* · 01-18-2005, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Benvenuto

Say, does Sonic CD count as old school?

Because I have yet to play it.

Actually, I think it came out before Sonic 3. So yeah, it counts.

I'm aching for them to release it in another Mega Collection or something. That's the game everyone REALLY wants to play.

*Brodie* · 01-18-2005, 11:19 AM

They messed up hardcore by not using the Sonic CD in the mega collections.

Jed · 01-18-2005, 12:31 PM

Yeah, Sonic CD came out before Sonic 2 as far as I know. I only wanted to include Genesis games in this poll. Sonic CD is on a par with S3&K for me. The whole future/past thing makes it so interesting. I have the original game for the PC and on ISO (same as a ROM, if anyone doesn't know) so I still play it every once in a while. And the music.... fantastic!

It can be a real challenge trying to re-write the future, especially in later levels like Wacky Workbench.

One game I'm kinda glad wasn't included on the Mega Collection is Knuckles' Chaotix. It's an ok game, but so boring. There's hardly any badniks and it just feels like such a slow game.

*Voltron* · 01-18-2005, 01:19 PM

Some of the Game Gear titles on the collection are total crap.

As for Sonic CD, is it really that good? I've always wanted to play it but never had the chance. Can someone give me a little more info on the game?

*jeff the cheff* · 01-18-2005, 02:33 PM

I like sonic spinball, and dr robotnick's mean been machine.

*Hannah* · 01-18-2005, 02:59 PM

Mean Bean Machine pisses me off. It's like a screwed version of a Yahoo game.

I've never played Sonic CD either, but I really wanna. The into+ending videos in the extra section of Sonic Mega Collection are really cool.

Jed · 01-18-2005, 04:09 PM

Yeah, the Game Gear games are a load of crap, they're unlockable on Sonic Adventure DX.

SonicCD is GREAT. Ok, but I'm not sure what kind of info you want. It takes place on a small planet above Mobius. Time is unstable here and shifts easily. Robotnik has used the time shifts to alter the past, therefore creating a future in his image. Sonic can hit markers in the level, signposts that say future and past. If he keeps his speed up long enough he'll warp through time. Act one and two of every level is split into 4 different time zones:

Past: Mostly organic levels with a few badniks here and there.

Present: Still slightly organic looking, but with more badniks and some more technology.

Bad Future: Pretty much a future destroyed by Robotnik. Totally polluted with lots of badniks.

Good Future: Again, organic looking but with... like... super cool technology, Jetson's style

You start act one and two in the present day. The objective in each level is to travel to the past to destory a robot generator and a Metallix hologram. Once that's done you fix the future of that particular act (getting the Good Future, mentioned above).

On act 3 you start in the future (Good or Bad, depending on if you changed the previous two acts) and you pretty much just fight Robotnik.

The overall objective is to make a Good Future in all levels, and to collect all the Time Stones. I think there's seven of them and they replace the Chaos Emeralds in this game. You get them by playing a totally awful 3D style level. You chase down floating robots in a little arena. You are being timed for this and stepping in the puddles makes your time go down faster. This Special Stage is really the only bad thing about this game, the controls are unresponsive and the whole thing just seems off.

The levels are well made too and they shift around depending on the time zone. In Tidal Tempest the water level gets higher and higher the further you go into the future.

Here's a brief description of the levels:

1. Palmtree Panic - A Green Hil Zone type level, not too difficult.

2. Collision Chaos - Still a lot like Green Hill Zone with a bit of the Carnival and Casino levels from previous games mixed in.

3. Tidal Tempest - A water level (obviously

). Finding the Metallix hologram can be a bit tricky. It's probably closest to the look of Labyrinth Zone from Sonic 1.

4. Quartz Quadrant - This level takes place underground mostly, but isn't at all like Mystic Cave Zone. There are conveyer belts on the floor which you can change direction with a switch.

5. Wacky Workbench - The most annoying level in the game. The floor in this level is a weird pulsing.... thingy which shoots you up into the air whenever you land on it, and it pretty much covers the whole level. You hafta traverse gangways and platforms a lot of the time. There's really only one chance to get to the past here, and it's very tricky. When I replay the game this is the level I usually stop playing at because it's so irritating.

6. Stardust Speedway - A lot like Star Light Zone. The boss is really cool, you have a race with Metallix instead of fighting Robtonik.

7. Metallic Madness - Your typical final level type deal. I don't remember this one too well, it's been years since I've played it.

That's all the levels, and there are two endings in total.

The music is amazing, I have it on my iPod I like it so much. It has the Sonic sound but is closer to a real song, because the game is played off a CD and not a cartridge. There are background vocals on some tracks and some of the tunes are really upbeat! If you download the game the tracks have to be downloaded seperately and placed in the same folder as the ISO, otherwise you'll play the game in complete silence for the most part. There are different tracks for the European and US vesions, I'm pretty sure I have the EU ones.

I hope that's enough info, I didn't really know what to talk about! Oh, and Amy makes her only 16bit appearance

Demented Utrom · 02-05-2005, 10:34 PM

I prefered the Streets of Rage games and golden axe 1-2 games to sonic.Well sega classics collection has a Remake of Golden Axe with enemies from 1-3.Levels from 2.

**ThirdMarioBro** · 02-05-2005, 10:41 PM

Sonic CD owned all when it was released. It's the only reason I bought a Sega CD. I'd killed the PC version, but it was so kickass that I had to have the original release. I tell you all, at least buy the PC version. You'll have an excellent time. Best 2D Sonic ever.

And Brodie, the reason they didn't put it in the Mega Collections was pure laziness. In fact, Sonic Team reportably paid the people who made the fan made emulator Dgen, and improved it a little. I noticed some sound bugs here and there (Genesis music is HARD to emulate). The Sega CD has never been emulated properly. There are some that work, but not well, so Sonic Team skimped on the game since they didn't want to waste money making their own. If fact, there are proven records that they attempted to recompile the code in the game and port it to the disc rather than emulate it, but it took too long and they just wanted the quick buck. That's why the opening and ending videos were there. Thus it remains a lost classic. As much as I hate to admit it, they could have put it in the PS2 version (I don't care *hugs Sega CD*), but the fact that they didn't a WHOLE YEAR LATER proves they didn't give a damn and just wanted a quick compliation buck. It pisses me off. Sonic Jam on Saturn was a better deal anyway. THey put more work in it, re-compiled the game code (they play better than on Genesis) and added the Spin dash to Sonic 1. It also had better extras such as rare videos and commercials, plus a custom made cartoon that has never been seen since. It's rumored that it was a pilot for a failed anime. It would have kicked ass.

Buy Sonic Jam and a Sega CD with Sonic CD. You'll be a happy camper.

Demented Utrom · 02-07-2005, 12:48 AM

Wrong it's not.The Golden Axe Remake has updraged music with better sound effects.

Peanut · 02-07-2005, 12:52 AM

What the hell does that even mean? Do you ever add anything besides random/pointless posts to threads?

*DrSpengler* · 02-07-2005, 05:56 PM

What's that other Sega CD game people love to death? Nights into Dreams, right?

Since Sega didn't put Sonic CD on the Mega Collection, and there aren't enough Sonic games left to fill up another Mega Collection, why don't they just release a Sega CD Collection or something?

Just put together the three Sonic Team games that came out on the Sega CD that everybody loves. Sonic CD, Nights into Dreams and, what, Burning Rangers? It's a thought. I'd like to see Sonic CD get a release of some kind in the future, that's the game everybody wants.

**ThirdMarioBro** · 02-08-2005, 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DrSpengler

What's that other Sega CD game people love to death? Nights into Dreams, right?

NiGHTS into Dreams was a Saturn game. The only other Sega CD game worth owning was Night Trap and that's just for the laughability of it. Don't feel bad for mixing the two up. It's hard to remember all those systems from that age

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Originally Posted by DrSpengler

Since Sega didn't put Sonic CD on the Mega Collection, and there aren't enough Sonic games left to fill up another Mega Collection, why don't they just release a Sega CD Collection or something?

Just put together the three Sonic Team games that came out on the Sega CD that everybody loves. Sonic CD, Nights into Dreams and, what, Burning Rangers? It's a thought. I'd like to see Sonic CD get a release of some kind in the future, that's the game everybody wants.

Well, NiGHTs is cameoed in Sonic a lot, but that's just Naka's doing. They really have no relation, and he commonly states that he dosen't want to port the game and risk messing it up, or because the current gaming populace might reject it because it's so different, and I totally understand that. Burning Rangers was a completely different thing altoghether. It was about Fire Fighters if memory serves. The only other Sonic games on Saturn were Sonic R, Sonic 3D Blast, and Sonic Jam. Sonic R was an original foot based racing game, but it's completely arcaharic by modern standards and kinda sucked anyways. The music is great though. Sonic 3D Blast's Genesis version was already in the first Mega Collection, and Sonic Jam itself was just another compliation disc featuring Sonic 1, 2, 3, and Kunckles + plus the lock on versions (though the game was actually better than Mega Collection).

It won't happen, but theoretically if they wanted to release another collection, they could use Sonic R, Sonic CD, Sonic The Fighters (Ultra rare arcade Sonic arena fighting game released in Japan), Sonic Shuffle (Dreamcast Mario Party Clone. Good game, but killed by loading times, but could work great with Gamecube's loading), and Sonic Arcade (a SUPER rare prototype Sonic isometric arcade game only test marketed in the US). Plus there is assloads of other things they could release as extras, even though they won't. They'd have to program an emulator for each one of those games, and each was on some of the hardest hardware to emulate in history. I'd cost too much for them to bother since it's meant as a budget title. The games should be given a chance to shine for all the people who never played them, but alas it probobly won't happen. Maybe they'll prove me wrong. I hope they do.

But I'd still rather just have Sonic Adventure 3. That new season of Sonic X has got to be used to promote something dosen't it?

*DrSpengler* · 02-08-2005, 05:44 PM

Ah, it ws a Saturn game. I knew it was one or the other, I get them confused a lot since I had niether system (I had a 32X, go me!).

I had heard that Yuji Naka objected to the release of NiGHTS for some reason. It's a shame, as I want to play it but I have no interest in buying the cruddy system just to do so. I'm hoping at some point down the line he'll come to his senses; it's a very sought-after game.

I've heard various thngs about the quality of Burning Rangers. I just figured since it's a Sonic Team game it would fit in. Thanks.

**ThirdMarioBro** · 02-08-2005, 11:52 PM

The Saturn is not a bad system by any means. It just didn't sell well. There's a zillion classics on there. Panzer Dragoon, Daytona USA, NiGHTS, Burning Rangers, and about 30 others.

Demented Utrom · 02-10-2005, 12:30 AM

I meant was they should upgrade the music.If they release games in collections.

View Poll Results: Which old school Sonic game is the best?
Sonic 1	4	13.33%
Sonic 2	10	33.33%
Sonic 3	1	3.33%
Sonic & Knuckles	3	10.00%
Sonic2 & Knuckles	1	3.33%
Sonic3 & Knuckles	11	36.67%
Voters: 30. You may not vote on this poll

01-18-2005, 10:41 AM	#24
XERO Hybrid Theorist Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Alamo City Posts: 8,185	Say, does Sonic CD count as old school? Because I have yet to play it. __________________ "Travel at the speed of light... then hit the nitro!"

01-18-2005, 11:19 AM	#26
Brodie Certified Teacher Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Bizarro Metropolis Posts: 6,495	They messed up hardcore by not using the Sonic CD in the mega collections. __________________ Stupendous Monster

01-18-2005, 12:31 PM	#27
Jed Stone Warrior Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Dublin, Ireland Posts: 956	Yeah, Sonic CD came out before Sonic 2 as far as I know. I only wanted to include Genesis games in this poll. Sonic CD is on a par with S3&K for me. The whole future/past thing makes it so interesting. I have the original game for the PC and on ISO (same as a ROM, if anyone doesn't know) so I still play it every once in a while. And the music.... fantastic! It can be a real challenge trying to re-write the future, especially in later levels like Wacky Workbench. One game I'm kinda glad wasn't included on the Mega Collection is Knuckles' Chaotix. It's an ok game, but so boring. There's hardly any badniks and it just feels like such a slow game. __________________ I am Frank-Zappa-as-imagined-by-the-editor-of-a-famous-rock-&-roll-magazine. I am an anachronism who makes the ugliest music on the planet. I have no right to call myself a member of the human race. I am tasteless, untalented, pompous, arrogant, cruel, insensitive, vulgar and not a fun guy because I don't use drugs.

01-18-2005, 01:19 PM	#28
Voltron Handsomest Boy in School Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The Realm of SJW Posts: 4,642	Some of the Game Gear titles on the collection are total crap. As for Sonic CD, is it really that good? I've always wanted to play it but never had the chance. Can someone give me a little more info on the game? __________________ I AM FOR ACTUAL! . . . and the White Savior. . . and the Right Hand of God. . .

01-18-2005, 10:37 AM	#23
愛 Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 7,449	That's his problem. He can't get past all of the obstacles. It is a difficult level, I agree.

01-18-2005, 02:33 PM	#29
jeff the cheff Mad Scientist Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: 122 and an eighth Posts: 2,129	I like sonic spinball, and dr robotnick's mean been machine.

01-18-2005, 02:59 PM	#30
Hannah Once more, with feeling! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,111	Mean Bean Machine pisses me off. It's like a screwed version of a Yahoo game. I've never played Sonic CD either, but I really wanna. The into+ending videos in the extra section of Sonic Mega Collection are really cool. __________________

01-18-2005, 04:09 PM	#31
Jed Stone Warrior Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Dublin, Ireland Posts: 956	Yeah, the Game Gear games are a load of crap, they're unlockable on Sonic Adventure DX. SonicCD is GREAT. Ok, but I'm not sure what kind of info you want. It takes place on a small planet above Mobius. Time is unstable here and shifts easily. Robotnik has used the time shifts to alter the past, therefore creating a future in his image. Sonic can hit markers in the level, signposts that say future and past. If he keeps his speed up long enough he'll warp through time. Act one and two of every level is split into 4 different time zones: Past: Mostly organic levels with a few badniks here and there. Present: Still slightly organic looking, but with more badniks and some more technology. Bad Future: Pretty much a future destroyed by Robotnik. Totally polluted with lots of badniks. Good Future: Again, organic looking but with... like... super cool technology, Jetson's style You start act one and two in the present day. The objective in each level is to travel to the past to destory a robot generator and a Metallix hologram. Once that's done you fix the future of that particular act (getting the Good Future, mentioned above). On act 3 you start in the future (Good or Bad, depending on if you changed the previous two acts) and you pretty much just fight Robotnik. The overall objective is to make a Good Future in all levels, and to collect all the Time Stones. I think there's seven of them and they replace the Chaos Emeralds in this game. You get them by playing a totally awful 3D style level. You chase down floating robots in a little arena. You are being timed for this and stepping in the puddles makes your time go down faster. This Special Stage is really the only bad thing about this game, the controls are unresponsive and the whole thing just seems off. The levels are well made too and they shift around depending on the time zone. In Tidal Tempest the water level gets higher and higher the further you go into the future. Here's a brief description of the levels: 1. Palmtree Panic - A Green Hil Zone type level, not too difficult. 2. Collision Chaos - Still a lot like Green Hill Zone with a bit of the Carnival and Casino levels from previous games mixed in. 3. Tidal Tempest - A water level (obviously ). Finding the Metallix hologram can be a bit tricky. It's probably closest to the look of Labyrinth Zone from Sonic 1. 4. Quartz Quadrant - This level takes place underground mostly, but isn't at all like Mystic Cave Zone. There are conveyer belts on the floor which you can change direction with a switch. 5. Wacky Workbench - The most annoying level in the game. The floor in this level is a weird pulsing.... thingy which shoots you up into the air whenever you land on it, and it pretty much covers the whole level. You hafta traverse gangways and platforms a lot of the time. There's really only one chance to get to the past here, and it's very tricky. When I replay the game this is the level I usually stop playing at because it's so irritating. 6. Stardust Speedway - A lot like Star Light Zone. The boss is really cool, you have a race with Metallix instead of fighting Robtonik. 7. Metallic Madness - Your typical final level type deal. I don't remember this one too well, it's been years since I've played it. That's all the levels, and there are two endings in total. The music is amazing, I have it on my iPod I like it so much. It has the Sonic sound but is closer to a real song, because the game is played off a CD and not a cartridge. There are background vocals on some tracks and some of the tunes are really upbeat! If you download the game the tracks have to be downloaded seperately and placed in the same folder as the ISO, otherwise you'll play the game in complete silence for the most part. There are different tracks for the European and US vesions, I'm pretty sure I have the EU ones. I hope that's enough info, I didn't really know what to talk about! Oh, and Amy makes her only 16bit appearance __________________ I am Frank-Zappa-as-imagined-by-the-editor-of-a-famous-rock-&-roll-magazine. I am an anachronism who makes the ugliest music on the planet. I have no right to call myself a member of the human race. I am tasteless, untalented, pompous, arrogant, cruel, insensitive, vulgar and not a fun guy because I don't use drugs. Last edited by Jed; 01-18-2005 at 04:15 PM.

02-05-2005, 10:34 PM	#32
Demented Utrom Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 474	I prefered the Streets of Rage games and golden axe 1-2 games to sonic.Well sega classics collection has a Remake of Golden Axe with enemies from 1-3.Levels from 2.

02-05-2005, 10:41 PM	#33
ThirdMarioBro Tea Time! Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,905	Sonic CD owned all when it was released. It's the only reason I bought a Sega CD. I'd killed the PC version, but it was so kickass that I had to have the original release. I tell you all, at least buy the PC version. You'll have an excellent time. Best 2D Sonic ever. And Brodie, the reason they didn't put it in the Mega Collections was pure laziness. In fact, Sonic Team reportably paid the people who made the fan made emulator Dgen, and improved it a little. I noticed some sound bugs here and there (Genesis music is HARD to emulate). The Sega CD has never been emulated properly. There are some that work, but not well, so Sonic Team skimped on the game since they didn't want to waste money making their own. If fact, there are proven records that they attempted to recompile the code in the game and port it to the disc rather than emulate it, but it took too long and they just wanted the quick buck. That's why the opening and ending videos were there. Thus it remains a lost classic. As much as I hate to admit it, they could have put it in the PS2 version (I don't care hugs Sega CD), but the fact that they didn't a WHOLE YEAR LATER proves they didn't give a damn and just wanted a quick compliation buck. It pisses me off. Sonic Jam on Saturn was a better deal anyway. THey put more work in it, re-compiled the game code (they play better than on Genesis) and added the Spin dash to Sonic 1. It also had better extras such as rare videos and commercials, plus a custom made cartoon that has never been seen since. It's rumored that it was a pilot for a failed anime. It would have kicked ass. Buy Sonic Jam and a Sega CD with Sonic CD. You'll be a happy camper. __________________

02-07-2005, 12:48 AM	#34
Demented Utrom Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 474	Wrong it's not.The Golden Axe Remake has updraged music with better sound effects.

02-07-2005, 12:52 AM	#35
Peanut Second Gear Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The New World Posts: 15,422	What the hell does that even mean? Do you ever add anything besides random/pointless posts to threads?

02-07-2005, 05:56 PM	#36
DrSpengler Foot Elite Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 4,842	What's that other Sega CD game people love to death? Nights into Dreams, right? Since Sega didn't put Sonic CD on the Mega Collection, and there aren't enough Sonic games left to fill up another Mega Collection, why don't they just release a Sega CD Collection or something? Just put together the three Sonic Team games that came out on the Sega CD that everybody loves. Sonic CD, Nights into Dreams and, what, Burning Rangers? It's a thought. I'd like to see Sonic CD get a release of some kind in the future, that's the game everybody wants.

02-08-2005, 05:44 PM	#38
DrSpengler Foot Elite Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 4,842	Ah, it ws a Saturn game. I knew it was one or the other, I get them confused a lot since I had niether system (I had a 32X, go me!). I had heard that Yuji Naka objected to the release of NiGHTS for some reason. It's a shame, as I want to play it but I have no interest in buying the cruddy system just to do so. I'm hoping at some point down the line he'll come to his senses; it's a very sought-after game. I've heard various thngs about the quality of Burning Rangers. I just figured since it's a Sonic Team game it would fit in. Thanks.

02-08-2005, 11:52 PM	#39
ThirdMarioBro Tea Time! Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,905	The Saturn is not a bad system by any means. It just didn't sell well. There's a zillion classics on there. Panzer Dragoon, Daytona USA, NiGHTS, Burning Rangers, and about 30 others. __________________

02-10-2005, 12:30 AM	#40
Demented Utrom Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 474	I meant was they should upgrade the music.If they release games in collections.