When have TMNT killed humans? - Page 2

*Spitfire* · 12-08-2006, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

So yeah...that explains why Leo decapitated Shredder oblivious to the fact he was a Utrom.

"Hey children, do THAT to fight off your sister"

I don't know siblings are quite annoying. Then again you just compared a thousand year old brain like alien in a metal robot suit to a girl. I don't know many boys or girls who view their sister as Shredder.

*iris* · 12-08-2006, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by triplexxx

I've been browsing through the episodes I have on tape and I can't find any instances in which the TMNT have actually killed humans; I've seen them kill Triceratons(?), lava monsters, Y’Lyntians, Moriah's monsters, S-Gray Aliens, God of Thieves Idol, Savanti Romero, tengu guardians, and two tengu demons [Just A Note: aside from the Y’Lyntians and Savanti Romero, the TMNT have never actually offed any major villains-P.S. Sliver was another offed major baddie but that was by the Super Turtles, not to mention Donatello did successfully kill Shredder in SAINW but that was another separate dimension matter]

But when have they actually killed humans; I've seen foot ninjas, foot techs, and foot elite all be slashed, beaten, knocked out, disabled, short-circuited, fallen off rooftops, and caught in explosions(?). But I can't say for certain whether they actually killed any?
So still the question remains, does anybody here know for certain if the TMNT have ever killed humans in the new show? This is basically quick-question/quick-answer.

There have been plenty of times when they've tried to kill 'em. I can't shake the image of Don launching missiles directly into the occupied cabin of a truck one time... but all deaths in the 2K3 series have been off-screen, implied deaths.

And yeah it did sound like Permanently Peeved Leo snapped that guard's neck in Dragon's Brew!

I love horror movies, but I don't really need to see the turtles killing people on-screen. The implication is plenty for me.

*Buslady* · 12-08-2006, 10:01 AM

Death doesnt happen in cartoons, they just magically go away.

*Garou* · 12-08-2006, 03:12 PM

True, Buslady. And I'm not sure how the parents would have reacted, when they saw their kids watching cartoon killing sprees...

But to the deaths, all have made good points - and with all those ninjas falling off the rooftops along the series, of course someone died. Unless they landed on their feet like cats or are just as tough as Hun (who somehow survived falling off a building and straight into a police car in... I think it was "touch and Go"

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*Sage Ninja* · 12-09-2006, 11:30 AM

The turtles certainly have no qualms about useing deadly force in this series and you see it in just about every episode. And the implication that the turtles do kill is present as well.

In Scion of the Shredder Raphael is seen going into an elevator where a handful of foot ninja follow and they do battle. In the next scene they show Raphel coming out of the elevator and the foot do not. Which inplies that he either killed them or he mearly nocked them out. But given the intensity of the situation it is more than likely that he killed them all. I think Raphael killed them.

Lets not forget Leonardo who attentionally cut off Shredder's head with out knowing he is robot. And that time he snapped that gaurds neck in Dragon's Brew. Or in the same episode where he had Hun down and and drew his sword and was about to advance on him.

there is the episode Donatello kills the Shredder in a alternate reality, and also several instances where you see him shooting missils at enemies. Umm chances he was attending to kill them.

In Touch and Go Michelangelo intensionally throws Touch and Go out of a sevral story window to the ground below, and even went to look down on them after he had down it. He was trying to kill them, and if he had succedded in doing so I think it would have been the first on screen death in the series.

Then there is also that incident where Raphael loses his temper and went after Michelangelo with a pipe. Now it can be debated if he actually had the attention of killing him or not. But there was definately some intent to do harm in that instance. However I belive that Raphael was just suffering a moment of impassioned rage and had no real desire to actually kill Mikey.

However all these examples show that the turtles use deadly force when they are fighting. And why not, they are warriors and warriors sometimes kill. I don't think the turtles would ever kill in any other instance than in the heat of battle. However I think out of all the turtles Rapahel and Leonardo are shown useing deadly force the most I think. Its very rare to see Mikey or Don kill. It might be argued that they show more restraint that Leo and Raph but will kill if the situatuation calls for it. And I think this show goes out of its way to show that the turtles have morals and ethics. It gives a sort of realism to the show.

*Buslady* · 12-09-2006, 11:55 AM

There was a good fan fic about what IF Raph had actually beat the crap out of Mikey with that pipe.

creativerealms82 · 12-09-2006, 02:52 PM

Not on screen. I mean the Utroms a "force of good" were not even allowed to sentance a mass murderer (And one with one of the highest deathcounts in cartoons to boot. Millions of people died thanks to the Shredder who started countless wars on countless planets. And has no problem killing for himself.) to death.

Mikey is allowed to pull the pins out of live gernades of an alien when the alien is still wearing them but killing humans are a no no.

I mean look at City of war. No death count was even talked about until rouge in the house when shredder mentioned that the foot lost a lot of ninja in the street war. The war itself not a single mobster foot or purple Dragon was seemed to be killed on or off screen.

TMNT took risks while still playing itsafe. I mean they had no problem killing but had a huge problem saying any kill or die work unless it was general or as a joke.

*Sage Ninja* · 12-14-2006, 12:34 PM

personally I think that is lame. Not being able to say words like death, die, or kill in an action cartoon is pretty prudish if you ask me. Heck even the old toon that isn't even as serious as the New could say words like kill, dead and die. Remeber Rocksteady's imfamous line:

"Drink blazing electric death toitles!" right when he is shooting at them.

But the new toon has to content it self to saying "destruction" and "perish" when talking about death or making threats.

~~ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael~~ · 12-14-2006, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Sage Ninja

personally I think that is lame. Not being able to say words like death, die, or kill in an action cartoon is pretty prudish if you ask me. Heck even the old toon that isn't even as serious as the New could say words like kill, dead and die. Remeber Rocksteady's imfamous line:

"Drink blazing electric death toitles!" right when he is shooting at them.

But the new toon has to content it self to saying "destruction" and "perish" when talking about death or making threats.

Yeah but words like destruction and perish make it sound cooler.

*Sage Ninja* · 12-14-2006, 04:59 PM

meh, that is all a manner of opinion. To me it sounds akward when you see these big tough gheto street thug like characters threatneing people with violence or death and say words like "perish". Ugh, it just sounds weird and too cultured for some characters to be saying that.

Although a tolarable substitute for the word "die" that I've heard use in this series is the saying: "the big dirt nap". Which comes off not so lame as perish and seems more incharacter for the most part.

Ultimate Shredder · 12-14-2006, 06:16 PM

What about Baxter Stockman? I mean really how many times have they killed him?

*iris* · 12-14-2006, 06:50 PM

I keep reading the title of this thread as "When should the TMNT have killed humans?"

(I'm a little dyslexic.)

**Jo Dawn** · 12-14-2006, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Garou

True, Buslady. And I'm not sure how the parents would have reacted, when they saw their kids watching cartoon killing sprees...

I find that interesting, as parents will take underage kids to movies which contain violence and death (then complain, after THEY got them in, how it 'scarred' them)...

And I totally forgot where I was going with that. Darn meds.

Too bad it's not rated higher. I mean, parents and kids flock to movies much more violent than this... the very fact that this is an exception because it's a cartoon is odd to me.

...Ok, I'mma go lie down now...

*Masked Ninja* · 12-15-2006, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Jo Dawn

I find that interesting, as parents will take underage kids to movies which contain violence and death (then complain, after THEY got them in, how it 'scarred' them)...

And I totally forgot where I was going with that. Darn meds.

Too bad it's not rated higher. I mean, parents and kids flock to movies much more violent than this... the very fact that this is an exception because it's a cartoon is odd to me.

...Ok, I'mma go lie down now...

I hate this - the way Western audiences assume that since it's a cartoon it MUST be for kids. Unless it's a poorly-animated adult cartoon in some garish style. Ugh.

When I explain TMNT 2k3 to people, I say that they made a cartoon for teens, but sold it to kids. And then have a mini-rant about Fast Forward.

Stephen · 12-15-2006, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Sage Ninja

personally I think that is lame. Not being able to say words like death, die, or kill in an action cartoon is pretty prudish if you ask me.

Mikey say "We're all going to die" in "Secret Origins Pt.1" when the Utrom ship is about to crash, even if it is only a simulation .....

12-08-2006, 10:01 AM	#23
Buslady WingsOfDarkness! Perkele! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In 7803... Posts: 4,366	Death doesnt happen in cartoons, they just magically go away. __________________

12-08-2006, 03:12 PM	#24
Garou On a X-Men: Evo trip! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: In a different and wicked reality... Posts: 1,991	True, Buslady. And I'm not sure how the parents would have reacted, when they saw their kids watching cartoon killing sprees... But to the deaths, all have made good points - and with all those ninjas falling off the rooftops along the series, of course someone died. Unless they landed on their feet like cats or are just as tough as Hun (who somehow survived falling off a building and straight into a police car in... I think it was "touch and Go" ). __________________ Ferret Bureau of Investigation

12-09-2006, 11:30 AM	#25
Sage Ninja Band of the Hawk Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: USA Posts: 3,924	The turtles certainly have no qualms about useing deadly force in this series and you see it in just about every episode. And the implication that the turtles do kill is present as well. In Scion of the Shredder Raphael is seen going into an elevator where a handful of foot ninja follow and they do battle. In the next scene they show Raphel coming out of the elevator and the foot do not. Which inplies that he either killed them or he mearly nocked them out. But given the intensity of the situation it is more than likely that he killed them all. I think Raphael killed them. Lets not forget Leonardo who attentionally cut off Shredder's head with out knowing he is robot. And that time he snapped that gaurds neck in Dragon's Brew. Or in the same episode where he had Hun down and and drew his sword and was about to advance on him. there is the episode Donatello kills the Shredder in a alternate reality, and also several instances where you see him shooting missils at enemies. Umm chances he was attending to kill them. In Touch and Go Michelangelo intensionally throws Touch and Go out of a sevral story window to the ground below, and even went to look down on them after he had down it. He was trying to kill them, and if he had succedded in doing so I think it would have been the first on screen death in the series. Then there is also that incident where Raphael loses his temper and went after Michelangelo with a pipe. Now it can be debated if he actually had the attention of killing him or not. But there was definately some intent to do harm in that instance. However I belive that Raphael was just suffering a moment of impassioned rage and had no real desire to actually kill Mikey. However all these examples show that the turtles use deadly force when they are fighting. And why not, they are warriors and warriors sometimes kill. I don't think the turtles would ever kill in any other instance than in the heat of battle. However I think out of all the turtles Rapahel and Leonardo are shown useing deadly force the most I think. Its very rare to see Mikey or Don kill. It might be argued that they show more restraint that Leo and Raph but will kill if the situatuation calls for it. And I think this show goes out of its way to show that the turtles have morals and ethics. It gives a sort of realism to the show. __________________ Cassandra: You won't fight me, but will you fight--for him! Cassandra's Revenge ~Tangled the Series ________________________________ http://frankviola.org/2012/01/30/godsviewofawoman/ _______________________________ http://nox-artemis.tumblr.com/post/4...k-and-feminism

12-09-2006, 11:55 AM	#26
Buslady WingsOfDarkness! Perkele! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In 7803... Posts: 4,366	There was a good fan fic about what IF Raph had actually beat the crap out of Mikey with that pipe. __________________

12-14-2006, 12:34 PM	#28
Sage Ninja Band of the Hawk Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: USA Posts: 3,924	personally I think that is lame. Not being able to say words like death, die, or kill in an action cartoon is pretty prudish if you ask me. Heck even the old toon that isn't even as serious as the New could say words like kill, dead and die. Remeber Rocksteady's imfamous line: "Drink blazing electric death toitles!" right when he is shooting at them. But the new toon has to content it self to saying "destruction" and "perish" when talking about death or making threats. __________________ Cassandra: You won't fight me, but will you fight--for him! Cassandra's Revenge ~Tangled the Series ________________________________ http://frankviola.org/2012/01/30/godsviewofawoman/ _______________________________ http://nox-artemis.tumblr.com/post/4...k-and-feminism

12-09-2006, 02:52 PM	#27
creativerealms82 Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hammond IN Posts: 275	Not on screen. I mean the Utroms a "force of good" were not even allowed to sentance a mass murderer (And one with one of the highest deathcounts in cartoons to boot. Millions of people died thanks to the Shredder who started countless wars on countless planets. And has no problem killing for himself.) to death. Mikey is allowed to pull the pins out of live gernades of an alien when the alien is still wearing them but killing humans are a no no. I mean look at City of war. No death count was even talked about until rouge in the house when shredder mentioned that the foot lost a lot of ninja in the street war. The war itself not a single mobster foot or purple Dragon was seemed to be killed on or off screen. TMNT took risks while still playing itsafe. I mean they had no problem killing but had a huge problem saying any kill or die work unless it was general or as a joke.

12-14-2006, 04:59 PM	#30
Sage Ninja Band of the Hawk Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: USA Posts: 3,924	meh, that is all a manner of opinion. To me it sounds akward when you see these big tough gheto street thug like characters threatneing people with violence or death and say words like "perish". Ugh, it just sounds weird and too cultured for some characters to be saying that. Although a tolarable substitute for the word "die" that I've heard use in this series is the saying: "the big dirt nap". Which comes off not so lame as perish and seems more incharacter for the most part. __________________ Cassandra: You won't fight me, but will you fight--for him! Cassandra's Revenge ~Tangled the Series ________________________________ http://frankviola.org/2012/01/30/godsviewofawoman/ _______________________________ http://nox-artemis.tumblr.com/post/4...k-and-feminism

12-14-2006, 06:16 PM	#31
Ultimate Shredder Foot Soldier Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Boston Posts: 101	What about Baxter Stockman? I mean really how many times have they killed him? __________________ "I am the Shredder!" Fear Me!

12-14-2006, 06:50 PM	#32
iris moddy mod mod Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: finally escaped the lab Posts: 1,886	I keep reading the title of this thread as "When should the TMNT have killed humans?" (I'm a little dyslexic.)