Do you like TMNT FF? - Page 2

*gobo* · 03-17-2007, 11:04 PM

On a scale of 1 to 10, I'd give it a 4.8, so I'm not going to give it a simple yes or no. And, that's an average rating for the entire >>> run so far.

Time Mistress · 03-17-2007, 11:17 PM

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Its not so much that FF sucks (snip) its the fact that they took a well written, mature good quality show and turned it into a cookie-cutter saturday cartoon. (snip) and I'm not happy that its been watered down.

This is my opinion exactly. I still watch FF and think it's better than 90% of the other stuff on TV. But you don't mess with near perfection and turn it into something sub-par. I did enjoy the Turtle Titan ep though, it's the only one I consider so far to be on par with some of the stuff from 2K3. I'm also a little scared to admit I mostly liked the Raph wrestling ep too. But 2 out of 13 is not a good record.

Next Mutation is still much worse.

*VaughnMichael* · 03-17-2007, 11:18 PM

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Next Mutation is still much worse.

now that is something I think the entire fandom can agree on haha

Fledermaus · 03-17-2007, 11:26 PM

Fast Forward sucks. It is not a matter of taste, nor of opinion, but of fact.

Fast Forward is not entertainment; it is crap in its basest form. It is a half-assed attempt to squeeze out a McCartoon from a bunch of fugly, blasphemous toys bearing the TMNT insignia.

**Jo Dawn** · 03-17-2007, 11:27 PM

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or you forgeting the 80's turtle cartoon we all love so much which is silly and wacky more than anything.

Now, now... don't speak for ALL of us there, pumpkin.

We may have to break our agreeing streak.

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Next Mutation is still much worse.

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now that is something I think the entire fandom can agree on haha

Yeah, I dunno. I'm kinda weighing the options here; PC Unneeded girl turtle? Or Cody? *thinks*

It's reallllly close, because I loathe Cody more than about anything...

*Spitfire* · 03-17-2007, 11:27 PM

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Yeha, and FF's one of them. There is nothing, NOTHING, redeemable about this, it's as generic and as badly written as Camp Lazlo and Fosters. It does'nt take advantage of anything. It's "comfort food" television. I don't know what Laird was thinking when he approved the lighter touches, they could have made this Batman Beyond or Phantom 2040

Batman Beyond was Batman Beyond because the Batman series they were making at the time was so insanely popular that the network approved a new Batman series over one meeting and let the creators run with it.

TMNT has had **** ratings since season 3 and season 4 helped the rating decline even more by further pushing the envelope. Problem is kids didn't realize how much they liked the old series until they made the switch to FF. I've talked to a few friends younger siblings who have told me they miss the 2K3 series and wish it would go back. Kids don't dig FF anymore but there's nothing laird can do.

It's happy and lame because 4Kids wanted it that way. You can tell it wasn't written that way, just watch the episodes and tell me you don't see the dark undertones? It's there and it has potential but Laird isn't allowed to let loose on it like he did on the 2K3 series. I mean the old toon had more figth scenes in it then FF. And the fight scenes in FF feel very "Implied" where you hear what happening but most of the time it's showing two people dialogging while the fight is happening around them. He's on a short lease and there's nothing he can do about it unless he finds another network to air his show. Which won't be happening anytime soon since he's contract bound to 4Kids.

Time Mistress · 03-17-2007, 11:46 PM

The only FF fight I liked so far was the one on the boat in the ep where the video games were stolen I think. That had some nice moves and animation. But that's the only stand out fight so far in my mind, because just as it finally looks like we're going to get a good fight, Cody show up in his stupid battlesuit to save the day. I wish the TMNT could have a fight with the villains once again without Cody busting in and ruining it.

*VaughnMichael* · 03-18-2007, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Jo Dawn

Now, now... don't speak for ALL of us there, pumpkin.

We may have to break our agreeing streak.

hahaha I knew so much you where gonna say that haha it's all good...I'm happy with a happy medium myself but it's cool that others don't care for it.
But I've learned not to shove my opions down others throats it would be nice it others could do the same.
ahaha noooooo lol but it's ok.
And yeah and lord I hope no one starts a pole over this but It's hard to decide who's more annoying venus or codey I think I'd still say venus...one shes like poof ohhh I was in the bowl...codey is april and casey's flesh and blood and actully could fit into a story even if it's one just about most of the fans hate lol.

Ratchet · 03-18-2007, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

It's embarassing to see fans stand up to this really, I just think there lowering their tastes, and when the series gets back to the levels it used to be, if ever, they'll admit that watching FF was just out of sheer fan loyalty.

Or they could just actually enjoy it. I find it embarassing when people get so worked up about it, and you seem to think less of people who DO enjoy it.

Mandi-chan · 03-18-2007, 08:40 AM

I've said it numerous times already....but, what the hell, I'll say it again.

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Do you like TMNT FF?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

It's absolute garbage to me, and I was one of the few people who defended it LONG before it started airing. I figured: "It sounds iffy, but there's NO WAY it could suck. It's got the same crew working on it that's been working on it this whole time, it'll be great!"

Boy, was I wrong or what?

I sat through the first episode (which took A LOT of effort to do), and then I never looked back (except to watch "The Journal" out of desperation of hopefully seeing good TMNT again...it wasn't much of an improvement to the rest of FF).

It's trash.

*ZariusTwo* · 03-18-2007, 10:43 AM

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Or they could just actually enjoy it. I find it embarassing when people get so worked up about it, and you seem to think less of people who DO enjoy it.

I do think less of them. Nothing wrong with freedom of expression.

Thanks for proving my point though. "Lowering your tastes" pretty much amounts TO "enjoy it"

Ratchet · 03-18-2007, 12:13 PM

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I do think less of them. Nothing wrong with freedom of expression.

Thanks for proving my point though. "Lowering your tastes" pretty much amounts TO "enjoy it"

That's probably the pettiest thing I've heard in a long time. And how has what I've said proved your point?

kerfootw · 03-18-2007, 12:33 PM

I think it's a pretty decent series but I want my 2k3 boys back.

*Spitfire* · 03-18-2007, 05:43 PM

Got to love it when people ignore you after you show them up. That seems to happen alot on this forum.

The Terror of Death · 03-18-2007, 06:44 PM

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Got to love it when people ignore you after you show them up. That seems to happen alot on this forum.

Yeah, and just about every other forum that exists.

StealthNinjaScyther · 03-18-2007, 08:10 PM

The change from 2K3 to FF has been pretty jarring, but it's not because it has the turtles in the future.

Look at the basic premise for FF as compared to the Ninja Tribunal season. The turtles being trained by mystical ninjas in Japan and summoning their own mystical powers to fight an ancient demon vs. going into the future. If I only had this to go on I'd say the Ninja Tribunal arc was further into the jump the shark category. Of course, for those who have seen both, the Ninja Tribunal arc is hands down better.

Why? There are a few reasons. The first of which is that the turtles are kept in character. Making the turtles act OOC for the sake of some laughs is not cool. Introducing several lifeless comic relief characters, see: Serling, that other British sounding robot, Biggles? And my biggest problem is just the abundance of missed opportunities. Fast Forward could have been good. Several of the characters have potential for good storylines, but they've been bogged down by repeated attempts to appeal to the younger crowd. There is definitely some potential with characters like the Inuwashi Gunjin and Viral. I was hoping for something good with the Dark turtles, but they're just another bunch of bumbling villains.

All I really need to say about the Ninja Tribunal arc is that it really isn't different. It's a very different setting, but it's still the same turtles both in character and in quality.

It's not that change is necessarily bad, but with FF, most of the changes have been for the worse. That being said, I have been watching FF and I will continue to do so. I can tell the writers are trying to please the fans while working under greater pressure from 4kids to do things their way. Still, it's not quite enough. It's not all bad, but it could and should be so much better than it is.

Leonardo_Warrior_Turtle · 03-18-2007, 08:19 PM

Although I still consider Fast Forward to be the sixth season of TMNT, it's so radically different that it's practically more of a spin-off than a new season. I do enjoy Fast Forward...to a certain extent. I do like the goofiness of it at times. However, I don't like the animation all too well. And I especially don't like the 'It's Ninja Time!' screamed 3 times an episode. With this being the same crew that did 2k3, I can't believe they couldn't make it at least somewhat on part with 2k3.

2k3 was an amazing cartoon. Up there with Batman: The Animated Series as a Saturday Morning Cartoon that pushed the envelope. It's a shame that 4kids had to take that away from us. I really think they might be regretting it. With 'Membership Drive' set to air next Saturday, I think they might be re-testing the waters with the original 2k3 design to see if people will latch back onto it again. However, I don't expect them to switch back, since that would make them look like fools. If anything, they'll just stay with the Fast Forward concept until they feel it's time for the Turtles to end on TV. Which, will be a sad day indeed. At least we got 5 great seasons before they decided to **** it up.

shellofinsanity · 03-18-2007, 10:57 PM

ive seen a few eps and couldnt stand it, same thing with 2K3 for me, i guess the only one i like is the 87 show, lol im just die hard 87 i suppose and nothing lives up to that show for me, and i guess never will.

*ZariusTwo* · 03-19-2007, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by shellofinsanity

ive seen a few eps and couldnt stand it, same thing with 2K3 for me, i guess the only one i like is the 87 show, lol im just die hard 87 i suppose and nothing lives up to that show for me, and i guess never will.

That's pretty foolish. I prefer the original over the new series, but the new series is arguably just as good

MAESTAS · 03-20-2007, 03:56 PM

I can't believe the votes. If you call your self a TMNT fan you would always like TMNT no matter what, what a bunch of posers! jk but seriously

View Poll Results: Do you like TMNT FF?
Yes	17	31.48%
No	37	68.52%
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03-17-2007, 11:04 PM	#21
gobo Wacky Action Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: on Earth Posts: 12,784	On a scale of 1 to 10, I'd give it a 4.8, so I'm not going to give it a simple yes or no. And, that's an average rating for the entire >>> run so far. __________________ Live and let live... or go to hell. Last edited by gobo; 03-17-2007 at 11:12 PM.

03-17-2007, 11:26 PM	#24
Fledermaus Mad Scientist Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,115	Don't take this personally, but this is where I stand. Fast Forward sucks. It is not a matter of taste, nor of opinion, but of fact. Fast Forward is not entertainment; it is crap in its basest form. It is a half-assed attempt to squeeze out a McCartoon from a bunch of fugly, blasphemous toys bearing the TMNT insignia. __________________ We're calling it a freeway. Eight lanes of shimmering cement running from here to Pasadena. Smooth, safe, fast. Traffic jams will be a thing of the past. I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night! Soon there will be a string of gas stations, inexpensive motels, restaurants that serve rapidly prepared food! Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see! My God... It'll be beautiful.

03-17-2007, 11:46 PM	#27
Time Mistress Stone Warrior Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Pennshellvania, or the 79th level of Null-Time Posts: 710	The only FF fight I liked so far was the one on the boat in the ep where the video games were stolen I think. That had some nice moves and animation. But that's the only stand out fight so far in my mind, because just as it finally looks like we're going to get a good fight, Cody show up in his stupid battlesuit to save the day. I wish the TMNT could have a fight with the villains once again without Cody busting in and ruining it. __________________ AKA the Edwardian Adventuress and Fairlady_Z "You just made your last mistake, Bugeyes -- 'cuz nobody beats up my best buddy and gets away with it -- Nobody! Got that?!" Raphael about Michaelangelo, TMNT Volume 1

03-18-2007, 05:43 PM	#34
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03-18-2007, 12:33 PM	#33
kerfootw Hench Mutant Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 405	I think it's a pretty decent series but I want my 2k3 boys back.

03-18-2007, 08:10 PM	#36
StealthNinjaScyther Foot Soldier Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 208	The change from 2K3 to FF has been pretty jarring, but it's not because it has the turtles in the future. Look at the basic premise for FF as compared to the Ninja Tribunal season. The turtles being trained by mystical ninjas in Japan and summoning their own mystical powers to fight an ancient demon vs. going into the future. If I only had this to go on I'd say the Ninja Tribunal arc was further into the jump the shark category. Of course, for those who have seen both, the Ninja Tribunal arc is hands down better. Why? There are a few reasons. The first of which is that the turtles are kept in character. Making the turtles act OOC for the sake of some laughs is not cool. Introducing several lifeless comic relief characters, see: Serling, that other British sounding robot, Biggles? And my biggest problem is just the abundance of missed opportunities. Fast Forward could have been good. Several of the characters have potential for good storylines, but they've been bogged down by repeated attempts to appeal to the younger crowd. There is definitely some potential with characters like the Inuwashi Gunjin and Viral. I was hoping for something good with the Dark turtles, but they're just another bunch of bumbling villains. All I really need to say about the Ninja Tribunal arc is that it really isn't different. It's a very different setting, but it's still the same turtles both in character and in quality. It's not that change is necessarily bad, but with FF, most of the changes have been for the worse. That being said, I have been watching FF and I will continue to do so. I can tell the writers are trying to please the fans while working under greater pressure from 4kids to do things their way. Still, it's not quite enough. It's not all bad, but it could and should be so much better than it is.

03-18-2007, 08:19 PM	#37
Leonardo_Warrior_Turtle Stone Warrior Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 858	Although I still consider Fast Forward to be the sixth season of TMNT, it's so radically different that it's practically more of a spin-off than a new season. I do enjoy Fast Forward...to a certain extent. I do like the goofiness of it at times. However, I don't like the animation all too well. And I especially don't like the 'It's Ninja Time!' screamed 3 times an episode. With this being the same crew that did 2k3, I can't believe they couldn't make it at least somewhat on part with 2k3. 2k3 was an amazing cartoon. Up there with Batman: The Animated Series as a Saturday Morning Cartoon that pushed the envelope. It's a shame that 4kids had to take that away from us. I really think they might be regretting it. With 'Membership Drive' set to air next Saturday, I think they might be re-testing the waters with the original 2k3 design to see if people will latch back onto it again. However, I don't expect them to switch back, since that would make them look like fools. If anything, they'll just stay with the Fast Forward concept until they feel it's time for the Turtles to end on TV. Which, will be a sad day indeed. At least we got 5 great seasons before they decided to **** it up. __________________

03-18-2007, 10:57 PM	#38
shellofinsanity Thug Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Fort Worth Posts: 85	ive seen a few eps and couldnt stand it, same thing with 2K3 for me, i guess the only one i like is the 87 show, lol im just die hard 87 i suppose and nothing lives up to that show for me, and i guess never will. __________________

03-20-2007, 03:56 PM	#40
MAESTAS Foot Soldier Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: USA Posts: 100	I can't believe the votes. If you call your self a TMNT fan you would always like TMNT no matter what, what a bunch of posers! jk but seriously __________________ http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...endid=69240289 Last edited by MAESTAS; 03-20-2007 at 04:05 PM.