Shredder: Recurring villain or One of Many? - Page 2

Psycrow · 02-02-2003, 12:50 PM

Hm... I'm thinking that instead of actually dying, the Shredder will go "cartoon missing" after the Return to New York series. Then they can introduce new characters after that, and bring the Shredder back at a later date when they need to.

*Jephael* · 02-02-2003, 01:21 PM

I'd still like to know whether or not the TMNT immediatly know who Shredder is. It would be kinda cool if they didn't find out until later on.

Psycrow · 02-02-2003, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Jephael

I'd still like to know whether or not the TMNT immediatly know who Shredder is. It would be kinda cool if they didn't find out until later on.

Hm... they probably won't know him right off the bat anyways. But I'm thinking they find out pretty quickly after the first couple of episodes.

*Eye of Sarnath* · 02-02-2003, 02:23 PM

Shredder I don't think is even introduced in the first episode. I think a little while later.

Mondo_Gecko · 02-02-2003, 02:34 PM

Really so it will be the Foot or The Dragons?

Psycrow · 02-02-2003, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mondo_Gecko

Really so it will be the Foot or The Dragons?

Baxter Stockman.

*Eye of Sarnath* · 02-02-2003, 04:02 PM

Both the Foot and the Purple Dragons are in the first episode. Baxter Stockman is in the next two.

lhb412 · 02-02-2003, 06:40 PM

" Episode Ten: "The Shredder Strikes" Part 1
Master Splinter explains more of the Turtles' history and the reason why they must battle the Shredder. "

sound like they may learn about Shredder in eppisode 10.

tattoo · 02-09-2003, 01:36 PM

i bet they fight shredder every episode, but i think they should kill him at the end of season one and bring him back at the end of season 2.

**azure turtle** · 02-09-2003, 02:56 PM

I'm pretty sure Shredder will be the main villain, but there's going to be story archs that introduce other villains (like the Triceratons).

**Karpo_007** · 02-09-2003, 03:14 PM

Yes, he will be tha main villain in the first season, but about second no one knows...

MzTheInsomniac · 02-09-2003, 03:32 PM

hm, im hoping to see the introducktion of leatherhead animated, that might be an interesting thing to be in the second season

Mondo_Gecko · 02-09-2003, 09:36 PM

I really hope to see some cool mutants. Maybe some from the toys that never showed up like they shoulda. Ace Duck & Man Ray mainly.

I'm thinking a Beaver mutant would rock or a Leech mutant. Perfect name for it would be Pond SCum.

**Karpo_007** · 02-09-2003, 11:32 PM

I read few episode synopses, and it seems that Foot has a genetics labs underground. So we might actually see mutants in one episode!

Mondo_Gecko · 02-09-2003, 11:56 PM

Really? That be so cool!!

Karpo in the Mirage Comic did Shredder use mutagen or know of it?

GordonUniverse · 02-10-2003, 01:43 AM

In the comics, the source of the mutagen is the TCRI aliens (Utroms), which are what Krang is based on (but it's not called Mutagen, don't even remember if it has a name). Shredder isn't involved, and doesn't have mutagen or mutant pals.

I know they're keeping close to the original comics, but by season one's end, how many "canon" stories are left? Certainly not so many seasons worth. I've read all of season one's synopsis, and I'm familiar with a pretty good-sized chunk of the Mirage books, but am still a fan of the cartoons, and I think it would be a shame if they left many of the original cartoon ideas for dead. It would just be cool if the cartoon brought many elements from all previous continuites to itself. Several things from the original cartoon would be made much cooler in the eyes of many, including me.

I mean, if Bebop and Rocksteady were brought into this darker-in-tone cartoon, I'm sure it would come off as very cool. They could pull it off with flying colors. Imagine a Bebop and Rocksteady that would be a real threat, still not the smartest guys in the world, but not just comic relief (as if there wasn't enough). It would be cool. Like maybe Shredder gets a hold of the ooze, himself, after the Utrom storyling (assuming it happens in full) and uses them on a rhino and a warthog (TMNT 2 style, as in the movie/comic/probably-new-cartoon version it doesn't mutate you into the animal you've recently been in contact with, but just mutates you), or maybe he can figure out something in that underground genetics lab of his that was mentioned, where he could actually transform members of the Purple Dragon gang into them. At any rate, I'm going to miss them if they're gone for good, and they probably are.

Sorry for saying "cool" so much. Sheesh.

Oh, and if the Utrom storyline does playout completely, they could always make one of them evil, and it could be... Krang! And that could always pave the way for the technodrome and many other things. But I think I read that Peter Laird REALLY doesn't like Krang, so probably not.

Mondo_Gecko · 02-10-2003, 02:33 AM

I like your thinking GordonUniverse. I like it alot. As much as I would love to see a darker Bebop & Rocksteady & Krang in the new show. I think it could be done and it be cool. Bebop & Rocksteady would be these tough mutant punks. It dosen't look like everyone feels the same way. I also don't want Bebop & Rocksteady gone forever. I love those guys.

But with a season two Mirage is gunna be out of all ideas and theres no reason why they can't have some awesome mutants. Karpo said something about a genetics lab in an upcoming episode, maybe Shredder will mutate someone I hope its one of the purple dragons that be so cool.

**Karpo_007** · 02-10-2003, 02:53 AM

No shredder doesn't know about ooze in the comics, but He says that Foot is experienced with myths and scienese. Well right now it seems that the show might actualy have few mutants in it. But it will never become like the old show where random mutants are in every episode. If it's done with, style, it might be even cool.

Edit: And they can't use old characters even if they wanted to[wich they don't]. It is a copyright issue.

**Kali** · 02-10-2003, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by GordonUniverse

I know they're keeping close to the original comics, but by season one's end, how many "canon" stories are left? Certainly not so many seasons worth.

Well, they haven't used any of the space adventure storyline, with Triceratons and such. Renet and Savanti. The City at War storyline, with Karai. There, you've got at least another season, two if you add Volume Two storylines and a few original stand alone eps.

*Chris* · 02-10-2003, 09:18 AM

Yeah, I think that several episodes from the start of Season 2 should be adapted from #5-7 of the Mirage comics with some new elements thrown in.

If Shredder survives the events of "Return To New York" then he'll probably be played down in the second series (he only has 3 battles with the TMNT in series one anyway).

Hopefully season 3 or 4 (preferably 4 as the TMNT would be 18 then and it would be a good time to secure peace and move on to a different stage of their lives like Vol. 2 tried to do) could be based on City at War, not a straight adaptation as that wouldn't deal with Shredder or last 26 episodes, more a series where the events of City At War are always in the background even if they aren't the key story of an episode. It would be good to see Shredder and his Foot Clan fighting Karai, the Japanese Foot and the TMNT for control of New York City.

02-02-2003, 12:50 PM	#21
Psycrow Hench Mutant Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 435	Hm... I'm thinking that instead of actually dying, the Shredder will go "cartoon missing" after the Return to New York series. Then they can introduce new characters after that, and bring the Shredder back at a later date when they need to. __________________ "Before you criticize others you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you criticize them, you're a mile away... and you have their shoes."

02-02-2003, 01:21 PM	#22
Jephael That whack job behind you Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania Posts: 8,143	I'd still like to know whether or not the TMNT immediatly know who Shredder is. It would be kinda cool if they didn't find out until later on. __________________ "I like it. Simple, but effective!" Raphael; The Mean Machines - 1988

02-02-2003, 02:23 PM	#24
Eye of Sarnath Mad Scientist Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: NY Posts: 1,590	Shredder I don't think is even introduced in the first episode. I think a little while later. __________________ "When I was real small I heard about this thing called the decline of civilization... and I decided that it was something I would like to become involved in." -George Carlin

02-02-2003, 04:02 PM	#27
Eye of Sarnath Mad Scientist Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: NY Posts: 1,590	Both the Foot and the Purple Dragons are in the first episode. Baxter Stockman is in the next two. __________________ "When I was real small I heard about this thing called the decline of civilization... and I decided that it was something I would like to become involved in." -George Carlin

02-09-2003, 01:36 PM	#29
tattoo Mouser Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12	i bet they fight shredder every episode, but i think they should kill him at the end of season one and bring him back at the end of season 2. __________________ FAVORITE FOODS: I'm not picky. They're all good!

02-02-2003, 02:34 PM	#25
Mondo_Gecko Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 670	Really so it will be the Foot or The Dragons?

02-02-2003, 06:40 PM	#28
lhb412 Foot Soldier Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 246	" Episode Ten: "The Shredder Strikes" Part 1 Master Splinter explains more of the Turtles' history and the reason why they must battle the Shredder. " sound like they may learn about Shredder in eppisode 10.

02-09-2003, 02:56 PM	#30
azure turtle Mango Lovin' Mutant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 9,453	I'm pretty sure Shredder will be the main villain, but there's going to be story archs that introduce other villains (like the Triceratons). __________________ "God, I love being a turtle!" Want to meet the only blue ninja turtle in existence? Come visit me at my Lair!

02-09-2003, 03:14 PM	#31
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Yes, he will be tha main villain in the first season, but about second no one knows...

02-09-2003, 03:32 PM	#32
MzTheInsomniac Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Daaaaaaayton O hi O Posts: 680	hm, im hoping to see the introducktion of leatherhead animated, that might be an interesting thing to be in the second season __________________ www.wheeljack.com BEETCH GO THERE!!!!

02-09-2003, 09:36 PM	#33
Mondo_Gecko Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 670	I really hope to see some cool mutants. Maybe some from the toys that never showed up like they shoulda. Ace Duck & Man Ray mainly. I'm thinking a Beaver mutant would rock or a Leech mutant. Perfect name for it would be Pond SCum.

02-09-2003, 11:32 PM	#34
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	I read few episode synopses, and it seems that Foot has a genetics labs underground. So we might actually see mutants in one episode!

02-09-2003, 11:56 PM	#35
Mondo_Gecko Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 670	Really? That be so cool!! Karpo in the Mirage Comic did Shredder use mutagen or know of it?

02-10-2003, 01:43 AM	#36
GordonUniverse Thug Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Karlsruhe Posts: 94	In the comics, the source of the mutagen is the TCRI aliens (Utroms), which are what Krang is based on (but it's not called Mutagen, don't even remember if it has a name). Shredder isn't involved, and doesn't have mutagen or mutant pals. I know they're keeping close to the original comics, but by season one's end, how many "canon" stories are left? Certainly not so many seasons worth. I've read all of season one's synopsis, and I'm familiar with a pretty good-sized chunk of the Mirage books, but am still a fan of the cartoons, and I think it would be a shame if they left many of the original cartoon ideas for dead. It would just be cool if the cartoon brought many elements from all previous continuites to itself. Several things from the original cartoon would be made much cooler in the eyes of many, including me. I mean, if Bebop and Rocksteady were brought into this darker-in-tone cartoon, I'm sure it would come off as very cool. They could pull it off with flying colors. Imagine a Bebop and Rocksteady that would be a real threat, still not the smartest guys in the world, but not just comic relief (as if there wasn't enough). It would be cool. Like maybe Shredder gets a hold of the ooze, himself, after the Utrom storyling (assuming it happens in full) and uses them on a rhino and a warthog (TMNT 2 style, as in the movie/comic/probably-new-cartoon version it doesn't mutate you into the animal you've recently been in contact with, but just mutates you), or maybe he can figure out something in that underground genetics lab of his that was mentioned, where he could actually transform members of the Purple Dragon gang into them. At any rate, I'm going to miss them if they're gone for good, and they probably are. Sorry for saying "cool" so much. Sheesh. Oh, and if the Utrom storyline does playout completely, they could always make one of them evil, and it could be... Krang! And that could always pave the way for the technodrome and many other things. But I think I read that Peter Laird REALLY doesn't like Krang, so probably not.

02-10-2003, 02:33 AM	#37
Mondo_Gecko Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 670	I like your thinking GordonUniverse. I like it alot. As much as I would love to see a darker Bebop & Rocksteady & Krang in the new show. I think it could be done and it be cool. Bebop & Rocksteady would be these tough mutant punks. It dosen't look like everyone feels the same way. I also don't want Bebop & Rocksteady gone forever. I love those guys. But with a season two Mirage is gunna be out of all ideas and theres no reason why they can't have some awesome mutants. Karpo said something about a genetics lab in an upcoming episode, maybe Shredder will mutate someone I hope its one of the purple dragons that be so cool.

02-10-2003, 02:53 AM	#38
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	No shredder doesn't know about ooze in the comics, but He says that Foot is experienced with myths and scienese. Well right now it seems that the show might actualy have few mutants in it. But it will never become like the old show where random mutants are in every episode. If it's done with, style, it might be even cool. Edit: And they can't use old characters even if they wanted to[wich they don't]. It is a copyright issue.

02-10-2003, 09:18 AM	#40
Chris Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,898	Yeah, I think that several episodes from the start of Season 2 should be adapted from #5-7 of the Mirage comics with some new elements thrown in. If Shredder survives the events of "Return To New York" then he'll probably be played down in the second series (he only has 3 battles with the TMNT in series one anyway). Hopefully season 3 or 4 (preferably 4 as the TMNT would be 18 then and it would be a good time to secure peace and move on to a different stage of their lives like Vol. 2 tried to do) could be based on City at War, not a straight adaptation as that wouldn't deal with Shredder or last 26 episodes, more a series where the events of City At War are always in the background even if they aren't the key story of an episode. It would be good to see Shredder and his Foot Clan fighting Karai, the Japanese Foot and the TMNT for control of New York City.