Tales of the TMNT 35 - Page 2

*DrSpengler* · 06-13-2007, 06:28 PM

Okay, so Splinter doesn't recognize the Rat King at all. But then, he doesn't recognize him when they meet in City at War. This can be explained in that its possible Splinter's memories of his first encoutner with the Rat King and the Pantheon went fuzzy after he returned to the physical world.

Now, this has to take place before the TMNT meet the Rat King at the old factory, too. For one thing, Rat King is still alive and he isn't nuts. I took it as this, after Splinter beat him, the Pantheon returned Rat King to Earth where he wents nuts and eventually died after meeting the TMNT.

So that means, since Splinter is living in the sewers and this takes place before Tales Vol. 1 #4, it happened before Vol. 1 #1. How long before Vol. 1 #1 is uncertain.

Anyhow, that's my reasoning for its placement in the timeline.

As for the story itself, I dug it. However, I think they should've nixed that back-up story and made the main story longer. Anyhow, I don't think the Rat King's origin is fantastic, but its pretty cool.

As for that bit about Splinter's death, if you recall, the Rat King's ghost appeared shortly before he died. I took that to mean that the Rat King and SPlinter had another battle after Splinter's death for membership in the Pantheon. Whether Splinter won or not, who knows.

Time Mistress · 06-14-2007, 09:49 AM

I really liked this issue (especially after reading the crappy conclusion to Green Arrow #75). It's nice coda to Vol. 4 issue 10. The Leo back up story was cute too.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 06-14-2007, 12:55 PM

I haven't read this one yet, because I'm a month behind on Tales. (Am reading #34 today.) However, reading these spoilers, I'm sorry, but this sounds like a major letdown for the Rat King.

He's king of the rats? Again, sorry, but I really liked it better when he was some nameless originless enigma guy who tried to beat the crap out of Mikey. (Okay, he left Mikey to the rats. Close enough.)

I promise, though, to read #35, and to come back to this thread and post my new opinion, so all you people, don't jump on my back too bad, 'kay?

*Andrew NDB* · 06-14-2007, 01:00 PM

Bloody hell, I want this issue bad. Should arrive in the mail by the weekend, Monday at the latest.

darthsmozers · 06-14-2007, 02:30 PM

Chris Allan is my hero!

Hey question for everyone. I don't have this one yet. Does the art feature any of the turtles at all, or just Splinter and the Rat King?

And how cool to see Chris' rendition of the Rat King. The last time we saw that was back in the Archie Series' Armageddon story (I think?) and it was very nice indeed!

*DrSpengler* · 06-14-2007, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by darthsmozers

Chris Allan is my hero!

Hey question for everyone. I don't have this one yet. Does the art feature any of the turtles at all, or just Splinter and the Rat King?

And how cool to see Chris' rendition of the Rat King. The last time we saw that was back in the Archie Series' Armageddon story (I think?) and it was very nice indeed!

No Turtles at all, just Splinter, the Rat King and the members of the Pantheon.

And Chris Allen's artwork was terrific. And you're right, I think this WAS the first time we'd seen his Rat King since the Future Shark Trilogy way back when. Good stuff.

What's he up to, these days? It'd be nice if Mirage used him more often.

Spawn Guy · 06-14-2007, 02:41 PM

Isn't his last apprance in City At War(if that is him trying to get Splinter to eat a live rat at the bottom of the silo)?

*DrSpengler* · 06-14-2007, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Spawn Guy

Isn't his last apprance in City At War(if that is him trying to get Splinter to eat a live rat at the bottom of the silo)?

I believe the Rat King's timeline goes like this:

Tales of the TMNT Vol. 2 #35 (origin, first encounter with Splinter, banishment from the Pantheon)

Tales of the TMNT Vol. 1 #4 (banishment to Earth, gone nuts, first encounters the TMNT, injured by Leo's shuriken)

TMNT Vol. 1 #55 (ghost encounters Splinter, teaches him to survive by eating rats)

TMNT Vol. 4 #10 (Splinter dies of heart failure, Rat King's ghost appears to him as he passes)

Spawn Guy · 06-14-2007, 03:43 PM

So he's either still wondering around for years, or he's taking an intrest in Splinter from beyond the grave.

And also feeding worms, the little humanitarian.

darthsmozers · 06-14-2007, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DrSpengler

And Chris Allen's artwork was terrific. And you're right, I think this WAS the first time we'd seen his Rat King since the Future Shark Trilogy way back when. Good stuff.

What's he up to, these days? It'd be nice if Mirage used him more often.

Well there has been rumblings of the potential revival of the Forever War storyline, to be published as a Tales type of story but based in the Archie universe to be the conclusion of that storyline. However, those tidbits have persisted for a few years now. Chris obviously still has (if not perfected) the art talent, and apparently Dean Clarrain has been toying with the idea of writing the copy. But for right now, its in that TBA stage.

*Roseangelo* · 06-14-2007, 06:12 PM

The Forever War is in progress and Murphy states it's his goal for it to be published this year. I'm hoping that'll be the case!

*Scandia* · 06-14-2007, 06:19 PM

Which comic company will be publishing Forever War?

*Roseangelo* · 06-14-2007, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Scandia

Which comic company will be publishing Forever War?

Mirage, but it's Archie universe.

*VaughnMichael* · 06-14-2007, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Roseangelo

The Forever War is in progress and Murphy states it's his goal for it to be published this year. I'm hoping that'll be the case!

It'd also be nice if its in color...but I know thats asking to much....

As much of a huge fan of the archie comics as I am I have to admit I really dont care as much for the art in black and white it's just missing something since I know what it looks like in color.

*Roseangelo* · 06-14-2007, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Putrescent

It'd also be nice if its in color...but I know thats asking to much....

As much of a huge fan of the archie comics as I am I have to admit I really dont care as much for the art in black and white it's just missing something since I know what it looks like in color.

I hadn't even considered that it might not be in color... since it is the Archie universe, I sure hope it's in color!!

*Scandia* · 06-14-2007, 07:42 PM

And will it have similar character designs to the Archie comics? Which from what I see, are very consistent with each other and with the OT.

*VaughnMichael* · 06-14-2007, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Roseangelo

I hadn't even considered that it might not be in color... since it is the Archie universe, I sure hope it's in color!!

I'm pretty sure Murphy said it would not be in color....they really are setting themselves up for agrivation on that one if they don't though I can see all the fan complaints now. And I'll be right along with them.

soccerstud652 · 06-14-2007, 10:26 PM

Anyone know where I can order this online?

*Scandia* · 06-15-2007, 01:54 PM

Finally got my hands on this comic today!

Loved the Leo story "Secret Spirit", though I wonder exactly where it takes place. It shows Leo's integration and how much he truly enjoys being the leader and doing martial arts. Definitely the most determined Turtle. It even states that he goes beyond what Splinter expects of him. Whether to be perfect or to compete and be the best, not sure. Probably both.

"The Pantheon" was a little confusing at the beginning, but still very good. Shows how Splinter was tempted, but he just could not ditch the Turtles. And I like how Raph introduces it- saying that he is not a speculator, but this was a curious tale. Raph is definitely the most realistic of the Turtles when it comes to his view of the world.

darthsmozers · 06-19-2007, 10:03 PM

I would have zero complains if Forever War were in B&W. After 10+ years, the mere fact that it could make print is enough for me!

Besides, I could buy two copies...and break out the colored pencils for one of them

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06-14-2007, 02:41 PM	#27
Spawn Guy Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Earth 616 Posts: 1,481	Isn't his last apprance in City At War(if that is him trying to get Splinter to eat a live rat at the bottom of the silo)? __________________ *THE TECHNODROME'S LITTLE YELLOW BOX LOVER* madpiratebunny (19:26:51): oh goodness, I've got an idea SpawnGuyThing (19:26:57): Do tell madpiratebunny (19:27:02): nononono madpiratebunny (19:27:05): no telling SpawnGuyThing (19:27:10): ... SpawnGuyThing (19:27:27): But I'm the imaginery friend you always wanted SpawnGuyThing (19:27:36): Your supposed to tell me everything

06-14-2007, 03:43 PM	#29
Spawn Guy Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Earth 616 Posts: 1,481	So he's either still wondering around for years, or he's taking an intrest in Splinter from beyond the grave. And also feeding worms, the little humanitarian. __________________ *THE TECHNODROME'S LITTLE YELLOW BOX LOVER* madpiratebunny (19:26:51): oh goodness, I've got an idea SpawnGuyThing (19:26:57): Do tell madpiratebunny (19:27:02): nononono madpiratebunny (19:27:05): no telling SpawnGuyThing (19:27:10): ... SpawnGuyThing (19:27:27): But I'm the imaginery friend you always wanted SpawnGuyThing (19:27:36): Your supposed to tell me everything

06-14-2007, 06:12 PM	#31
Roseangelo Emperor Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: California Posts: 9,110	The Forever War is in progress and Murphy states it's his goal for it to be published this year. I'm hoping that'll be the case! __________________ www.ninjapizza.net www.colorsbyrosemary.com

06-13-2007, 06:28 PM	#21
DrSpengler Foot Elite Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 4,842	Okay, so Splinter doesn't recognize the Rat King at all. But then, he doesn't recognize him when they meet in City at War. This can be explained in that its possible Splinter's memories of his first encoutner with the Rat King and the Pantheon went fuzzy after he returned to the physical world. Now, this has to take place before the TMNT meet the Rat King at the old factory, too. For one thing, Rat King is still alive and he isn't nuts. I took it as this, after Splinter beat him, the Pantheon returned Rat King to Earth where he wents nuts and eventually died after meeting the TMNT. So that means, since Splinter is living in the sewers and this takes place before Tales Vol. 1 #4, it happened before Vol. 1 #1. How long before Vol. 1 #1 is uncertain. Anyhow, that's my reasoning for its placement in the timeline. As for the story itself, I dug it. However, I think they should've nixed that back-up story and made the main story longer. Anyhow, I don't think the Rat King's origin is fantastic, but its pretty cool. As for that bit about Splinter's death, if you recall, the Rat King's ghost appeared shortly before he died. I took that to mean that the Rat King and SPlinter had another battle after Splinter's death for membership in the Pantheon. Whether Splinter won or not, who knows.

06-14-2007, 12:55 PM	#23
CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy Annalist Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 16,435	I haven't read this one yet, because I'm a month behind on Tales. (Am reading #34 today.) However, reading these spoilers, I'm sorry, but this sounds like a major letdown for the Rat King. He's king of the rats? Again, sorry, but I really liked it better when he was some nameless originless enigma guy who tried to beat the crap out of Mikey. (Okay, he left Mikey to the rats. Close enough.) I promise, though, to read #35, and to come back to this thread and post my new opinion, so all you people, don't jump on my back too bad, 'kay?

06-14-2007, 02:30 PM	#25
darthsmozers Mad Scientist Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,277	Chris Allan is my hero! Hey question for everyone. I don't have this one yet. Does the art feature any of the turtles at all, or just Splinter and the Rat King? And how cool to see Chris' rendition of the Rat King. The last time we saw that was back in the Archie Series' Armageddon story (I think?) and it was very nice indeed!

06-14-2007, 06:19 PM	#32
Scandia Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 2,265	Which comic company will be publishing Forever War?

06-14-2007, 07:42 PM	#36
Scandia Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 2,265	And will it have similar character designs to the Archie comics? Which from what I see, are very consistent with each other and with the OT.

06-14-2007, 10:26 PM	#38
soccerstud652 Hench Mutant Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 493	Anyone know where I can order this online?

06-15-2007, 01:54 PM	#39
Scandia Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 2,265	Finally got my hands on this comic today! Loved the Leo story "Secret Spirit", though I wonder exactly where it takes place. It shows Leo's integration and how much he truly enjoys being the leader and doing martial arts. Definitely the most determined Turtle. It even states that he goes beyond what Splinter expects of him. Whether to be perfect or to compete and be the best, not sure. Probably both. "The Pantheon" was a little confusing at the beginning, but still very good. Shows how Splinter was tempted, but he just could not ditch the Turtles. And I like how Raph introduces it- saying that he is not a speculator, but this was a curious tale. Raph is definitely the most realistic of the Turtles when it comes to his view of the world.

06-19-2007, 10:03 PM	#40
darthsmozers Mad Scientist Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,277	I would have zero complains if Forever War were in B&W. After 10+ years, the mere fact that it could make print is enough for me! Besides, I could buy two copies...and break out the colored pencils for one of them