Don totally pwned the old series

[triplexxx]

Originally Posted by Scandia

I do think all 4 Turtles did try out for being the leader. And in some random episodes, another Turtle besides Leo is leading in that specific battle/quest/challenge. But I think Michelangelo got eliminated first because he is so unfocused, then Donatello because he is so quiet and laid back and may not have dealt well in leading Raphael, and finally Raphael because he had such a short fuse and was so impatient that he could not be the leader in longer term situations. Sure, Raph is bossy, but it takes much more than just being bossy in order to be the leader. Hence Leonardo was the best suited to be the leader of the Turtles in general. But we all know who is the true boss- Splinter, that is.

Forgot, which episodes were those? NT or OT?

but u kno wut,i got the feeling that the raph's been lurking and waiting,and,u kno if i were raph,i'd tell myself:"oh keep kissing urself leo,one day u'll fall in my palm!"XDDD

Well, in the movie, he sure got his wish, didn't he?

[Scandia]

I am deducing that from the NT's episode "Tales of Leo" where they had the flashback of vying to be the leader. Obviously two Turtles had already been eliminated and it was down to two. But the details come from my imagination. Leo must have shown somehow that he was the best fit to be the leader. Splinter did not choose him randomly.

[triplexxx]

Well, actually I think only Raphael was trying to lead, Donatello was just testing his gadgets and Michaelangleo was just pulling a prank.

[syd]

Originally Posted by triplexxx

Forgot, which episodes were those? NT or OT?

Well, in the movie, he sure got his wish, didn't he?

ohhhhh snap!XDDDDDDD
he actually lost himself in that movie,see,"i finally understand why Splinter chose him not me.","why im the one feel sooo angry all the time any way?","how can he dream that we'd still love to listen to his lectures as before after he'd gone so many years,so many YEEEARS!YEEEEARS!"
yet he gave up this chance.stupid!i can't imagine that you finally easy yourself in his reign,not like you!baby!not at all!XD

[Scandia]

Only Raphael is shown leading, sure. But to me, that means that all 4 Turtles tried out for being the leader, but that Michelangelo and Donatello had already been eliminated.

[MoreCowbell5263]

I know being a Don fan makes me a little bias towards the brains of the bunch, but for some reason, I just see Don being more competition for leader to Raph, I don't know, that's just me. I think OT Don would definitely make a better leader than OT Raph. NT I don't know, Don's logic and stuff would be good for coming up with strategies and stuff, but I don't think Don is as good as say Leo when thinking on his feet. He may be better than Raph or as good, but I'm not sure.

I don't know, I think I'd rather be lead by a brainy and passive guy like Don than a short-fused hothead like Raph. I've already made my points in other threads, though, so I'll just say that yeah, it did seem like Don was more of a leader in the old toon than Leo at times. But I think Leo still seemed to be more the leader in more cases than not. I think he definitely proved he was the better fighter than all of them. I would've liked to see NT Raph in the OT though, I like Raph more when he's a lot more of an individual than the other three instead of blending in like he does in the OT.

[triplexxx]

Originally Posted by MoreCowbell5263

But I think Leo still seemed to be more the leader in more cases than not. I think he definitely proved he was the better fighter than all of them. I would've liked to see NT Raph in the OT though, I like Raph more when he's a lot more of an individual than the other three instead of blending in like he does in the OT.

Leonardo leader most of the time in the OT? Yes. Best overall fighter? Not really, they were all pretty equal in terms of fighting. And OT Raphael is still kinda unique from the others as is displayed in individual moments he has, like in "Blast from the Past" & "Raphael vs. the Volcano".

[MoreCowbell5263]

I'm not saying he's exactly the same as the others, I just like that the NT and Movie Raph are more individualistic (if that's a word). They have more noticeable differences in personality that make them even more unique than OT Raph compared to the other Turtles.

Well I was judging Leo's fighting abilities from the OT based on the idea that he's the only one I remember seeing fighting Shredder one-on-one, other than Don when he was the Dark Turtle with his gadgets. You're probably right about Leo's fighting abilities, the show did make them seem like equal fighters.

I do stand by my statement that Leo still seemed to be the leader even though Don was quite pivotal on the show. Leo has proven that he takes his training more seriously than the others do, which is a leader-like trait, like in Leonardo Cuts Loose. I wouldn't say Don was the leader in the OT or the main character; however, I think the OT, being a TV show aimed at young kids to teach morals and whatnot, was trying to teach kids that being smart is more important than being willing to fight, which is my theory as to why Don was such a pivotal Turtle on the show and always saving the day with his gadgets or technical know-how.

[Cascadia]

In Take me to Your Leader, Leo leaves the team because he was unsure about his leadership abilities. In his absence, the other three tried their hand on leading the team. The other three could not perform as well as Leo.

[triplexxx]

I'm not denying any of the above, but in the OT, all the turtles were seen giving Shredder at least a couple of beat-ons. And maybe he does take training most seriously, but they all take it seriously enough to all become professional ninjas at a very early age, and all of them are. And that Leonardo Cuts Loose isn't really a good example since the others still thought training was needed, they just felt they needed to direct more of it towards muscle-build, that's part of training.

[Rooish]

Originally Posted by MoreCowbell5263

I know being a Don fan makes me a little bias towards the brains of the bunch, but for some reason, I just see Don being more competition for leader to Raph, I don't know, that's just me. I think OT Don would definitely make a better leader than OT Raph. NT I don't know, Don's logic and stuff would be good for coming up with strategies and stuff, but I don't think Don is as good as say Leo when thinking on his feet. He may be better than Raph or as good, but I'm not sure.

I don't know, I think I'd rather be lead by a brainy and passive guy like Don than a short-fused hothead like Raph. I've already made my points in other threads, though, so I'll just say that yeah, it did seem like Don was more of a leader in the old toon than Leo at times.

I would have to say I agree with you completely.

[Sage Ninja]

I rather like Old toons represation of Donatello. He was out spoken and and edgier than any version i've seen him in, and i liked the fact that he was more millitant and grey and this version instead of a pacifist. The fact that he had the edge of not taking crap was cool in him. And i didn't find him whinny at all, despite his geeky voice, you could tell Doantello was not some one to screw with. His depth was that he latent dark side, which was cool. Old toon Doantello owns!

in other mediums he is genreally the most un-skilled of the turtles. I tottally thought that he was second to Leonardo in fighting skills in the classic toon.

He is just as active in contributating in battle as Leonardo is, and even bested all the turtles once in a sparring session (even Leonardo) in one episode. What I liked about old toon Doantello is that he can he doesn't quite so bothered by the whole honar bit like Leonardo is. I thought that was cool, he seemed to have a very "the ends justifies the means" kind of attitude. I think it was in the episode Bye Bye Fly, but Donatello tortures a human like computer to get information out of it. Yeah I know that it was just a computer but it could feel pain, and he did it any way.

[triplexxx]

Well, he still thinks honor is right just as much as the others do...the "ends justifies the means" principle is correspondant with honor at times. By the way, which episode was that where he bested everyone in a training session?