Proper endings if had that been the final episode

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Spitfire

I just rewatched it recently and I have a different view on it. It's not confusion on my part. I know exactly what I'm saying and it makes perfect sense. I see it more as a finale for 25 years of TMNT owned by Mirage, not 2K3. The 2K3 series ended when BTTS did. This movie was a little bonus made by the creators for fans of turtles as a whole not as just part of 2K3.

The movie pretty much wrapped up the entire 4kids universe and acted as the finale for it. The fact that you're questioning where Serling is, as if we can't put 2 and 2 together and figure he was sent back to the future off-screen prior to the movie is ridiculous.

I really don't know why you're arguing this. Be honest, is this just subtle trolling because you're losing interest in the TMNT franchise?

[Spitfire]

What is with all the trolling remarks? I'm not "trolling" I'm stating my opinion on how I view the film. Believe me when I tell you I have better things to do then "troll" the internet. I come on here to catch up on turtles and post once in awhile. The fact I even have to argue this is quite dumb. While the Serling and Khan remarks are admittedly weak my overall reason stands perfectly strong. Like I said before I see it as a finale for 25 years of TMNT owned by Mirage, not 2K3. To me 2K3 ended with BTTS. I don't care if anyone else agrees and the fact my personal opinion is being questioned so much is completely asinine.

I know the internet is all about self satisfaction and going "LOLZ ur wrong! I am Rite! Derp!" but I'd like to imagine this place isn't like that.

[CyberCubed]

Yeah, but this isn't opinions. Its clearly set after BTTS.

Now if you were arguing if/where it takes place for the original cartoon or Mirage stuff....then that's reasonable.

However in terms of the 4kids universe, its pretty much directly set. Even the episode numbers (when it was split into 3 eps on TV), were 157, 158, and 159 I believe...this was stated by that 4kidsChris guy who used to post here around the time the show was ending.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Spitfire

If to you it's the finale for the 2K3 series then cool, to me it doesn't work. If that view bothers you so much then that's really quite sad.

Sorry if I seem amped up, should probably tone down some of the vocabulary lol. I just like to debate (especially timeline stuff), I'm not really arguing with you.

If that's what helps you enjoy the movie more, I'm all for it. But I think the reason it feels like it's not 100 percent firmly planted at any point in the 2k3 shows timeline was done on purpose by the creative team in order to not alienate any casual fans who happened to watch the movie. Them as well as the fans of the OT or Mirage that didn't pay any attention to the seven seasons worth of baggage the show had with it, leaving us dedicated followers of the show to use our imaginations and connect the dots where necessary.

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Yeah, but this isn't opinions. Its clearly set after BTTS.

Now if you were arguing if/where it takes place for the original cartoon or Mirage stuff....then that's reasonable.

However in terms of the 4kids universe, its pretty much directly set. Even the episode numbers (when it was split into 3 eps on TV), were 157, 158, and 159 I believe...this was stated by that 4kidsChris guy who used to post here around the time the show was ending.

I never really understood people's need to argue someone's opinion. If I view TF as a salmon and you say "No TF is not a salmon it's a movie!" and I say "To me it's a salmon and I don't really care if anyone else thinks so, this is how I perceive it." What about that makes you go "No I must prove to him that it is not a salmon. If he thinks it's something different then I do it ruins it for me and changes it forever!"

You clearly chose to look past the words "I think", "to me", and "opinion" in my posts. I never said "My word is law and everything I say must be fact because I'm know it all man!" I said, and I'll quote one final time as you seem to keep misinterpreting it, "I see it as a finale for 25 years of TMNT owned by Mirage, not 2K3. To me 2K3 ended with BTTS."

You know like how people chose to ignore season 5 of X-men TAS and for them the finale is "Beyond Good and Evil". Some thought "Out of the Past" made a better finale for Batman Beyond then "Unmasked". Some people decide what Mirage stories are canon and which ones aren't, even if stated otherwise by the creators. I don't think anymore examples are necessary.

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Sorry if I seem amped up, should probably tone down some of the vocabulary lol. I just like to debate (especially timeline stuff), I'm not really arguing with you.

I like to debate too but sometimes you brick wall. It's all good.

If that's what helps you enjoy the movie more, I'm all for it. But I think the reason it feels like it's not 100 percent firmly planted at any point in the 2k3 shows timeline was done on purpose by the creative team in order to not alienate any casual fans who happened to watch the movie. Them as well as the fans of the OT or Mirage that didn't pay any attention to the seven seasons worth of baggage the show had with it, leaving us dedicated followers of the show to use our imaginations and connect the dots where necessary.

Exactly! That's a good theory and probably 100% correct.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Spitfire

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You clearly chose to look past the words "I think", "to me", and "opinion" in my posts. I never said "My word is law and everything I say must be fact because I'm know it all man!" I said, and I'll quote one final time as you seem to keep misinterpreting it, "I see it as a finale for 25 years of TMNT owned by Mirage, not 2K3. To me 2K3 ended with BTTS."

Because we're not arguing opinions here. Its the same thing if you were to argue that Fast Forward didn't take place after Season 5, or that BTTS didn't come directly after Fast Forward.

These episodes were produced in order where they were intended to fit in. Its not like everyone views FF prior to the Lost Season simply because they aired on TV in the wrong order.

You know like how people chose to ignore season 5 of X-men TAS and for them the finale is "Beyond Good and Evil". Some thought "Out of the Past" made a better finale for Batman Beyond then "Unmasked". Some people decide what Mirage stories are canon and which ones aren't, even if stated otherwise by the creators. I don't think anymore examples are necessary.

Unlike the other stuff you mentioned, this show was produced in a very clear and concise order, and there aren't any "canon" or "non-canon" stories.

[gobo]

Pointless argument is pointless... At Spit's theory that Turtles Forever is not in the continuity of the 4KIDS series, my reaction was "WTF? Really? Umm... whatever" since there's zero reason to believe that it doesn't follow the events of Back To The Sewer and the movie was even produced by 4KIDS. However, the obsessed fanboy who won't leave it alone is the one seriously getting on my nerves.

P.S. - I choose to believe Spit was just saying that Turtles Forever was primarily a finale to Mirage's "era" than it is to the 4KIDS series.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by gobo

P.S. - I choose to believe Spit was just saying that Turtles Forever was primarily a finale to Mirage's "era" than it is to the 4KIDS series.

Its a farewell letter to all 3 TMNT universes.

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by gobo

P.S. - I choose to believe Spit was just saying that Turtles Forever was primarily a finale to Mirage's "era" than it is to the 4KIDS series.

Yes that is what I meant. I also view it as non-canon for all 3 series given it's nature. And Mirage era of course means Mirage being in charge of TMNT not just the comic series.

[CyberCubed]

Just curious, is there ANYONE else out there who thinks Turtles Forever is "non-canon" to the 4kids universe? Considering this is the first time I've ever read this in the 2+ years this movie has existed, I don't believe so.

[Spitfire]

I got a better one. Does anyone but you care that I choose to view it that way? I think not.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Spitfire

I got a better one. Does anyone but you care that I choose to view it that way? I think not.

Its not that it matters to me, its more that I am trying to understand your reasoning.

I can see it not being canon to Mirage (obviously, that's not how #1 plays out), and I can kinda see it not being canon to the original cartoon (although it can easily fit in during Season 3 sometime), but for the 4kids series it was also written quite clearly as a finale, taking place right after BTTS.

All the characters were how we left them, the Turtles had their new lair from BTTS, Ch'rell was still on the ice asteroid from the end of Season 3, Casey/April had their BTTS designs, etc.

Bring up Serling or Khan is pointless. Its like wondering where The Ancient one or Leatherhead was.

[Krang]

Let's please just agree to disagree and move on.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Its not that it matters to me, its more that I am trying to understand your reasoning.

I can see it not being canon to Mirage (obviously, that's not how #1 plays out), and I can kinda see it not being canon to the original cartoon (although it can easily fit in during Season 3 sometime)

I still say you can fit it in after season 10 and write a fanfic explaining why Channel Six is back and The Technodrome is up and running again. The fact The Technodrome is NOT restored to it's normal design alone makes it stand out so it can't possibly be set during season three

You know like how people chose to ignore season 5 of X-men TAS and for them the finale is "Beyond Good and Evil". Some thought "Out of the Past" made a better finale for Batman Beyond then "Unmasked"

Batman Beyond's finale is the JLU story "Epilouge", which is also intended by the creators to be the last ever episode of the entire DCAU. Prior to "Epilouge" we also had the movie "Return of the Joker" which also could have been seen as a better finale than "Unmasked"

That said, I do that kind of thing all the time with cartoons and comics. Hell there are fans that think the MC2 universe (where a much older Peter Parker is a happily married father of two) is the real Spider-Man continuity and ignore the mainstream books (which are a continuity nightmare)

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

I still say you can fit it in after season 10 and write a fanfic explaining why Channel Six is back and The Technodrome is up and running again. The fact The Technodrome is NOT restored to it's normal design alone makes it stand out so it can't possibly be set during season three

Personally, this is how I look at it too.

However, it could also be set as early as mid season three if you just assume that the events of Turtles Forever create a continuity that branches off from that season. That's definitely what I imagine with the Mirage continuity though, Turtles Forever interrupts issue #1 and creates a whole new universe that runs separately from Mirage canon, but wouldn't really be all that different.

[CyberCubed]

Although its fair to think that, I don't like it being at the end of Season 10 at all. I like the idea of the Turtles Vs. Shredder storyline essentially came to an end, rather than apparently going on forever.

Likewise April quit Channel 6 at the end of Season 8 and was working as a freelance reporter in Seasons 9 and 10, so I don't see why she would go back there just because the building was rebuilt.

The writers simply chose the most popular era of the old toon to fit it in, which was likely Season 3, because that's after the initial events of the show were established from Seasons 1-2 but it wasn't too far into the series like Seasons 4+ where the Technodrome was in Dimension X or the Arctic or underwater.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Although its fair to think that, I don't like it being at the end of Season 10 at all. I like the idea of the Turtles Vs. Shredder storyline essentially came to an end, rather than apparently going on forever.

I like the idea of stuff going on forever. Just like Image #23 said: "NEVER The End".

Likewise April quit Channel 6 at the end of Season 8 and was working as a freelance reporter in Seasons 9 and 10, so I don't see why she would go back there just because the building was rebuilt.

They offered her a corner office?

Joking aside, I briefly left my place of work this past spring and was rehired.

The writers simply chose the most popular era of the old toon to fit it in, which was likely Season 3, because that's after the initial events of the show were established from Seasons 1-2 but it wasn't too far into the series like Seasons 4+ where the Technodrome was in Dimension X or the Arctic or underwater.

That should have no effect on placement. We see the Technodrome rolling around in the city with no indication of where Shredder had brought it from.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

I like the idea of stuff going on forever. Just like Image #23 said: "NEVER The End".

Well OK. I just prefer that Shredder/Krang's story pretty much ended with Season 8, besides their last hurrah in Season 10.

Them somehow reuniting with Bebop/Rocksteady, re-pairing the Technodrome, getting it back to Earth underground, and all going back to the way things were makes for some heavy fanfiction.

Likewise April was pretty fed-up with Burne at the end of Season 8. She was far more independent in Seasons 9-10 not caring about working for the same news crew.

Its obvious they didn't set it after the Red Sky eps because they likely just wanted to choose the most recognizable TMNT old-toon era to place the movie in. Otherwise people would be asking why April is not wearing her yellow jump-suit, etc.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Well OK. I just prefer that Shredder/Krang's story pretty much ended with Season 8, besides their last hurrah in Season 10.

Fair enough.

Them somehow reuniting with Bebop/Rocksteady, re-pairing the Technodrome, getting it back to Earth underground, and all going back to the way things were makes for some heavy fanfiction.

Not really. Bebop and Rocksteady couldn't be hard to find, they repaired the Technodrome all the time, and it was never underground on Earth in the Fred Wolf universe in Turtles Forever, you're thinking of the 2k3 universe.

Plus it's the OT, there was never much explanation to anything so none of that stuff should be too hard to swallow.

Likewise April was pretty fed-up with Burne at the end of Season 8. She was far more independent in Seasons 9-10 not caring about working for the same news crew.

Maybe he no longer works there and that's why she went back.

[Xav]

Originally Posted by Spitfire

I don't see how that is. Serling was living with them, as I recall he's used to defeat Cyber Shredder. I guess you could assume he went back with Cody but it was never addressed. Also if it takes place after BTTS why is it Karai who saves Shredder and not Khan? Khan was the one running the Foot in Shredder's stead at that point not Karai.

The reason why it was Karai who saves Shredder because she was the one monitoring him.