What did you like least about the red sky episodes?

[Genesis]

Yeah, I was all for the Red Sky episodes during Season 8. I started not caring right about when Dregg and Carter came along. I hated them both, although no one can hate the voice actor who played Dregg.

[oldmanwinters]

This isn't so much a "dislike," but I found it very strange to see April with blue eyes after 7.5 seasons of large black pupils.

Bruce Timm & Co. did the same thing with Bruce Wayne. Weird.

[mikey22]

the good

I liked the music in 1-7 but i feel music improved in 8-10


rat kings episode

the day the earth disappeared episode

the bad

the mutation- felt very rushed and sometimes they have speical powers and sometimes not

turtles in time episode couldve been much better

shredder not being in the final episode

no leatherhead

the final scene w/ POPCORN! cmon really lol popcorn for the final scene of an excellent show for 10 years

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Silly mutations

[Killer Moth]

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

This isn't so much a "dislike," but I found it very strange to see April with blue eyes after 7.5 seasons of large black pupils.

Bruce Timm & Co. did the same thing with Bruce Wayne. Weird.

Simliar to all the TNBA re-designs in 97. Like the Joker and his eyeballs, which they later acknowledged and changed him back to his original design in JL.

The Technodrome's demise didn't help, especially when Shredder and Krang became legitimate threats, again. I mostly don't care for the reduced episode order. Because, while reduced episode order means the writers can't waste time with endless filler (hello, Season 3), it also means it can't truly explore certain plot or character aspects, particularly in Season 8, when the writing structure had changed so drastically. After 7 seasons as a humor-based series, an 8 episode season isn't quite enough to explore the extent on such sweeping changes and affecting all its past elements and characters (save for few exceptions, like the Rat King).

(Plus, the wasted opportunity of not putting Karai into the mix, as would she be out of place in Red Sky? Oh, well.)

On the other hand, if you add all the Red Sky episodes together, they do make for one standard 24 episode season. In which case, it can somewhat work.

[the_minimizer]

Didn't Earth and Dimension-X look the same because of the red sky?

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Jephael

I liked season 8, but everything about seasons 9 and 10 (Dregg, Carter, hyper mutations) was dumb as sh*t!

That's laughable. Seasons 9 and 10, especially Season 10, have some great episodes.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

That's laughable. Seasons 9 and 10, especially Season 10, have some great episodes.

Yeah! How dare you have a differing opinion Jeff? Seriously!

[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

That's laughable. Seasons 9 and 10, especially Season 10, have some great episodes.

You have to admit that season 9 was weak and gimmcik ridden with Dregg,Carter, and the mutation and the sudden absence of Channel Six News crew and Shredder and company. "Split Second" and "Doomesquest" were well done. Split Second did not need Dregg forced into the end of that one. That episode proved that Dregg hurt the series and that it could still be good without Shredder and Krang around. Doomequest was good because it was nice to see Dregg pushed around and the mutations suppsoedly solved.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Jester

Yeah! How dare you have a differing opinion Jeff? Seriously!

He did not go into detail about what he disliked about the actual episodes, he merely said, "everything." I can understand not liking Dregg or Carter or the mutations, but there is a lot in those seasons that has nothing to do with that that's enjoyable. Even if Dregg is the overall villain they weren't always fighting him but his minions or other aliens working for him.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

That episode proved that Dregg hurt the series.

Specify how.

Dregg didnt hurt the show. You fear change. That's all.

[Jester]

So disliking Dregg means you fear change. Good to know...

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Jester

So disliking Dregg means you fear change. Good to know...

Dregg wasn't a bad villain, the mistake was replacing Shredder/Krang completely. They should have co-existed as rivals like in Season 10.

[Killer Moth]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Dregg wasn't a bad villain, the mistake was replacing Shredder/Krang completely. They should have co-existed as rivals like in Season 10.

+1.

In recent years, and even back then, I never disliked Dregg. After all, after years of a humorous alien trying to conquer the world (albeit one who could be a real SOB while doing it), one could appreciate the change (plus Tony Jay really sold the role). As Cubed said, the mistake was removing Shredder/Krang, especially as Season 8 re-established them as actual threats, again.

And the interesting part is by the end, Dregg lost his motivation and became obsessive about killing the Turtles, like Shredder often did. And refreshingly, Mung or any minion called him out about that, in light of what happened to Hi-Tech. Granted, Krang did that to Shredder many times, as well, but since the series' tone wasn't as serious whenever he did it, the impact is rather lessened.

As for the mutation aspect, it was a good idea, though, execution-wise, could have been better.

[Desslok]

The only thing I really don't like in these episodes is Shredder's voice. Sounds like the guy playing him is trying so hard to sound gruff that there's little to no emotion at all. Really miss Avery here, he had such great range...

[ToTheNines]

Red Sky was a mess.

First of all, I really don't see why they didn't just reboot the damn show. It has almost no connection to any previous seasons, even when Shredder and Krang were in the episodes. The color scheme was totally drab, there were almost no funny moments, the action sequences were pitiful, the music wasn't as good, and even the editing was just totally rushed all the time.

Season 9 did look a little better, but it made me think of Rugrats for some reason. Between Tony Jay, a couple of the musical cues, and a few creature designs, I'm pretty sure some of the creative team worked on both shows. Even though I appreciate season's 9 and 10 for trying new stuff... there was Carter.

Carter is actually not even a bad character, but his introduction and backstory just plain suck. Right from day one, he literally becomes the 5th turtle. I don't think he and April ever properly meet on the show, they just start talking to eachother like they're old friends.

Mutations were cheap, and just stupid. I won't even ramble about them.

One nice thing I will say about the Red Sky episodes is that the jokes at the end of the episodes tended to actually be funny rather than totally moronic and random like before.

[FoxZerro]

I voted Dregg because the Turtles don't really need the big bad to be a fun show. I prefer when they are just thrown into situations and have to deal with them. I was excited when Shredder and Co. seemed to be gone because I thought that it was going to be a shift in the direction of more threatening one off villians, as the saying goes "Keep the tone, lose the nemesis." Instead they just introduced another villian to be the Lex Luthor to the Turtles "Superman."

[cammy85]

Now that FoxZerro mentions it, Dregg to me was like Darkseid to Superfriends in the last two seasons. Ugh... though, like Dregg, he was better in the last season.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Red Sky was a mess.

First of all, I really don't see why they didn't just reboot the damn show. It has almost no connection to any previous seasons, even when Shredder and Krang were in the episodes. The color scheme was totally drab, there were almost no funny moments, the action sequences were pitiful, the music wasn't as good, and even the editing was just totally rushed all the time.

The Red Sky seasons have some of the best action sequences of the show. Also they definitely had more fighting in each episode than most previous seasons. Season 8 and 10 have the best animation because they switched to a different studio for Season 9. And I thought the soundtrack was awesome.

And I beg to differ on the funny moments. They still broke the wall in Season 8, such as Mike saying, "Does that mean the show will only be half as long next week?"

I will agree forcing Carter into every episode was a mess, and Lord Dregg should have co-existed with the earlier villains, but everything else was fine.

[LeoNerdo]

Originally Posted by cammy85

Now that FoxZerro mentions it, Dregg to me was like Darkseid to Superfriends in the last two seasons. Ugh... though, like Dregg, he was better in the last season.

Whaaaaa!??! Those were arguably the best seasons of Super Friends, especially the last one. Along with "Challenge of".