The irony of the Shredder's fate in the 90s trilogy (spoilers) - Page 2

**Jester** · 09-26-2013, 07:44 PM

There's a difference between being a "newbie" and being someone who does nothing but post completely inane threads with little point. I mean there are long time posters who do the later (I'm looking at you Cybercubed) and new members who don't.

*Coola Yagami* · 09-26-2013, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jester

There's a difference between being a "newbie" and being someone who does nothing but post completely inane threads with little point. I mean there are long time posters who do the later (I'm looking at you Cybercubed) and new members who don't.

If the topics were so inane, why are some people posting their honest answers here without downing the topic starter? Inane threads or not, there's just no reason to be a douchenozzle on a tmnt forum.

~~Grizzly~~ · 09-26-2013, 07:50 PM

So? It has no bearing on your life. And if it does, we need to have a little life reassessment. There's absolutely no need to insult the guy's intelligence. You drive people away with that junk. You're not going to be able to justify acting like a dickhead to me. Newbie or not, you don't treat people like that. Especially with what we're dealing with here. Ninja Turtles? You want to get bent out of shape over Ninja Turtles? Lay off.

*Coola Yagami* · 09-26-2013, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Grizzly

So? It has no bearing on your life. And if it does, we need to have a little life reassessment. There's absolutely no need to insult the guy's intelligence. You drive people away with that junk. You're not going to be able to justify acting like a dickhead to me. Newbie or not, you don't treat people like that. Especially with what we're dealing with here. Ninja Turtles? You want to get bent out of shape over Ninja Turtles? Lay off.

This. So much ****in this.

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 09-26-2013, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

This forum seems to be very newbie unfriendly, which is unfortunate since the new show should bring in a lot of fans.

Agreed. I've noticed it too. As a former Mod over at Marvel, I can say that it really DOES turn people off of a site, and is just poor net-etiquette to boot.

Walkabout · 09-26-2013, 09:12 PM

Not to get anyone offside, but the rudeness and elitism/shutdowns can get a bit much-pretty disappointing when the nick show is probably bringing in a new generation of fans here only for them to get stomped on for not being a TMNT encyclopedia.

I have seen more than a few silly threads on here, yes-but no need to curb stomp the OP if they don't mean any harm.

~~Grizzly~~ · 09-26-2013, 09:15 PM

It's usually the same few repeat offenders. But unfortunately, the most negative are usually the most vocal.

~~Leo656~~ · 09-26-2013, 09:22 PM

In my 10 years, this has always been a pretty elitist place. Not sure I approve, but I've always been too lazy to leave. I can't imagine the conversations vary all that much between TMNT forums... I haven't been on many, but I imagine there's a lot of "Which show was the best?" and "Raph vs. Leo: Who Wins In A Fight?" no matter where you go. I don't feel like reading through/participating in a bunch of those all over again, and I don't feel like meeting new people. So I'm not always thrilled with the atmosphere here, but on the whole I've grown to accept it.

There's always been a real "get smart, get tough, or get out" attitude floating around here, though, for sure. I, personally, love everyone, and agree some of the snark could and probably should be toned down. But there ain't even one person here who's actually going to care enough to do so, I'll tell you that for nothin'. If for no other reason than some people really do deserve it.

But if you think this place is rough, avoid Lords of Pain's wrestling forums like the plague. I wouldn't be shocked if real-life criminal violence has occurred because of things said and done there. A real hateful group of scumbags, in general.

*Coola Yagami* · 09-26-2013, 09:37 PM

Honestly, this place is a trap cause there's no place like it. It IS the best TMNT discussion forum out there for all sorts of TMNT incarnations and media. So in a way, as a big TMNT fan I really can't leave since I feel I'd be missing out on a lot.

But if there was another big long-lasting over ten year old TMNT forum still thriving today, without all the snark, elitism and people being jerks to everyone and picking fights just because.... hell yeah I'd leave this place in less than a heartbeat.

Bo Staff. · 09-26-2013, 10:19 PM

Thanks everyone for defending us silly posters. Sometimes we're just trying to make people giggle, even though we really are genuine fans, and not just jesters. (No copyright infringement intended).

Admittedly, I'm not a very funny personality in real life, but I like doing it online. Besides, I have posted serious discussions on here before, not just silly ones.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 09-27-2013, 06:29 AM

I doubt Shredder was supposed to return. Maybe she second movie should just be about Tatsu and Utroms.

InsaneZane · 09-27-2013, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

This forum seems to be very newbie unfriendly, which is unfortunate since the new show should bring in a lot of fans.

A lot of them have probably come and gone without us noticing because they get so offended they never come back, I'm surprised we don't see regular posts from angry parents

*The Boston Ninja Turtle* · 09-27-2013, 12:53 PM

i have noticed this in other fandoms..and it seems like TMNT is the newest one to go through the "gen1 is best" phase..being part of the older TMNT crowd i admit that their are times the newbies get on my nerves

but it all comes down to respecting each other..we cant stop newbies from asking "stupid" questions because we where there once and the is how they learn

then again i had my friends fiance ask me who Shredder was

Bo Staff. · 09-27-2013, 01:30 PM

For the record, I am not a newbie to the Turtle scene. I started out watching eps of the OT on VHS when I was very young.

*The Boston Ninja Turtle* · 09-27-2013, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bo staff

For the record, I am not a newbie to the Turtle scene. I started out watching eps of the OT on VHS when I was very young.

here is the thing when it comes to the internet...your user name and post count..label you a newbie you joined the board the same year a new show started so you are knew no matter what defense you may have.. i know folks who been watching as long as me (87) but they would still be newbie on the web

...in the eyes of some here even i may be a newbie

Bo Staff. · 09-27-2013, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

here is the thing when it comes to the internet...your user name and post count..label you a newbie you joined the board the same year a new show started so you are knew no matter what defense you may have.. i know folks who been watching as long as me (87) but they would still be newbie on the web

...in the eyes of some here even i may be a newbie

That's not to say I'm a newbie to the turtles; it's just to say I'm a newbie to these forums. Amiright?

Garfield · 09-27-2013, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Walkabout

Not to get anyone offside, but the rudeness and elitism/shutdowns can get a bit much-pretty disappointing when the nick show is probably bringing in a new generation of fans here only for them to get stomped on for not being a TMNT encyclopedia.

I have seen more than a few silly threads on here, yes-but no need to curb stomp the OP if they don't mean any harm.

Yeah. We could learn to just get over ourselves and let some things go. We don't need to prove that we are witty with sarcastic remarks all of the time. And besides some of the posters might be kids. Don't be a dope picking on kids over the internet.

As for the topic.

It never really bothered me that S Shredder was crushed. I see now that it was a bit anti-climactic. But he was crushed by a small building that weighed many tons. Now I don't know how he survived in the first movie. I feel like they probably intended Shredder to be killed by it just in case a sequel wasn't picked up, and when a sequel was, they just kind of had to BS Shredder back to life.

Not so much irony as much as inconsistent...I'd say

~~Grizzly~~ · 09-27-2013, 07:02 PM

Not to mention--we never saw a body to prove that the Shredder actually finally bit it.

madyankees · 09-27-2013, 08:49 PM

My take on "irony"....

Shredder kicked the turtles' butts easy in the 1st movie with his superior ninjitsu/combat skills but in the 2nd movie, he deemed it necessary to use 2 not so smart mutants and then mutate himself with the ooze which led to him going bersek and then his eventual death...

*Coola Yagami* · 09-27-2013, 09:34 PM

The thing is... why do the posts bother you? There is no reason for someone's post or thread to bother anybody on here. When I see something I don't really give a damn about, I ignore it altogether and check out the other threads. If something so miniscule(sp?) in the grand scheme of things bothers you even a little... then you got more problems to worry about than whatever piece of TMNT trivia you're curious about.

As for Shredder, seeing his helmet being crushed did it make his death seem rather final.... and I know it was BS he somehow survived being mangled in a garbage truck and coming back with just his helmet being dented and his clothes being kinda dirty. But you gotta admit, it was cool seeing that scene when his hand stuck out from the pile of garbage, like 'oh ****, he's ALIVE!!!'

It's a bit of a subtle transition. Shredder dressed in red in the first one and acted like the serious no-nonsense Mirage version. He dressed in purple in the sequel, got two idiotic mutants and stood around yelling 'GET THEM!!!' instead of doing it himself... like the cartoon.

09-26-2013, 07:44 PM	#21
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,298	There's a difference between being a "newbie" and being someone who does nothing but post completely inane threads with little point. I mean there are long time posters who do the later (I'm looking at you Cybercubed) and new members who don't. __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

09-26-2013, 09:37 PM	#29
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,699	Honestly, this place is a trap cause there's no place like it. It IS the best TMNT discussion forum out there for all sorts of TMNT incarnations and media. So in a way, as a big TMNT fan I really can't leave since I feel I'd be missing out on a lot. But if there was another big long-lasting over ten year old TMNT forum still thriving today, without all the snark, elitism and people being jerks to everyone and picking fights just because.... hell yeah I'd leave this place in less than a heartbeat. __________________ "I was down with TMNT once, but then they changed what TMNT was. Now what I was down with is no longer TMNT and what TMNT now is seems weird and scary. And it'll happen to YOU." Check out my blog for Comic Reviews and other things. https://markepicblogofrandomness.blogspot.com/ I also started The AEW Crew, the All Elite Wrestling Fan Club! https://www.facebook.com/groups/637508120044168/

09-26-2013, 10:19 PM	#30
Bo Staff. Thug Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 90	Thanks everyone for defending us silly posters. Sometimes we're just trying to make people giggle, even though we really are genuine fans, and not just jesters. (No copyright infringement intended). Admittedly, I'm not a very funny personality in real life, but I like doing it online. Besides, I have posted serious discussions on here before, not just silly ones. Last edited by Bo Staff.; 09-27-2013 at 03:09 PM.

09-27-2013, 12:53 PM	#33
The Boston Ninja Turtle Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Boston MA Posts: 2,440	i have noticed this in other fandoms..and it seems like TMNT is the newest one to go through the "gen1 is best" phase..being part of the older TMNT crowd i admit that their are times the newbies get on my nerves but it all comes down to respecting each other..we cant stop newbies from asking "stupid" questions because we where there once and the is how they learn then again i had my friends fiance ask me who Shredder was __________________ I didn't choose the ninja turtle life. The ninja turtle life chose me. https://www.facebook.com/TheBostonNinjaTurtle

09-27-2013, 09:34 PM	#40
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,699	The thing is... why do the posts bother you? There is no reason for someone's post or thread to bother anybody on here. When I see something I don't really give a damn about, I ignore it altogether and check out the other threads. If something so miniscule(sp?) in the grand scheme of things bothers you even a little... then you got more problems to worry about than whatever piece of TMNT trivia you're curious about. As for Shredder, seeing his helmet being crushed did it make his death seem rather final.... and I know it was BS he somehow survived being mangled in a garbage truck and coming back with just his helmet being dented and his clothes being kinda dirty. But you gotta admit, it was cool seeing that scene when his hand stuck out from the pile of garbage, like 'oh ****, he's ALIVE!!!' It's a bit of a subtle transition. Shredder dressed in red in the first one and acted like the serious no-nonsense Mirage version. He dressed in purple in the sequel, got two idiotic mutants and stood around yelling 'GET THEM!!!' instead of doing it himself... like the cartoon. __________________ "I was down with TMNT once, but then they changed what TMNT was. Now what I was down with is no longer TMNT and what TMNT now is seems weird and scary. And it'll happen to YOU." Check out my blog for Comic Reviews and other things. https://markepicblogofrandomness.blogspot.com/ I also started The AEW Crew, the All Elite Wrestling Fan Club! https://www.facebook.com/groups/637508120044168/

09-26-2013, 07:50 PM	#23
~~Grizzly~~ Banned Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 74	So? It has no bearing on your life. And if it does, we need to have a little life reassessment. There's absolutely no need to insult the guy's intelligence. You drive people away with that junk. You're not going to be able to justify acting like a dickhead to me. Newbie or not, you don't treat people like that. Especially with what we're dealing with here. Ninja Turtles? You want to get bent out of shape over Ninja Turtles? Lay off.

09-26-2013, 09:12 PM	#26
Walkabout Stone Warrior Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 556	Not to get anyone offside, but the rudeness and elitism/shutdowns can get a bit much-pretty disappointing when the nick show is probably bringing in a new generation of fans here only for them to get stomped on for not being a TMNT encyclopedia. I have seen more than a few silly threads on here, yes-but no need to curb stomp the OP if they don't mean any harm.

09-26-2013, 09:15 PM	#27
~~Grizzly~~ Banned Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 74	It's usually the same few repeat offenders. But unfortunately, the most negative are usually the most vocal.

09-26-2013, 09:22 PM	#28
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	In my 10 years, this has always been a pretty elitist place. Not sure I approve, but I've always been too lazy to leave. I can't imagine the conversations vary all that much between TMNT forums... I haven't been on many, but I imagine there's a lot of "Which show was the best?" and "Raph vs. Leo: Who Wins In A Fight?" no matter where you go. I don't feel like reading through/participating in a bunch of those all over again, and I don't feel like meeting new people. So I'm not always thrilled with the atmosphere here, but on the whole I've grown to accept it. There's always been a real "get smart, get tough, or get out" attitude floating around here, though, for sure. I, personally, love everyone, and agree some of the snark could and probably should be toned down. But there ain't even one person here who's actually going to care enough to do so, I'll tell you that for nothin'. If for no other reason than some people really do deserve it. But if you think this place is rough, avoid Lords of Pain's wrestling forums like the plague. I wouldn't be shocked if real-life criminal violence has occurred because of things said and done there. A real hateful group of scumbags, in general.

09-27-2013, 06:29 AM	#31
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan Overlord Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 10,480	I doubt Shredder was supposed to return. Maybe she second movie should just be about Tatsu and Utroms.

09-27-2013, 01:30 PM	#34
Bo Staff. Thug Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 90	For the record, I am not a newbie to the Turtle scene. I started out watching eps of the OT on VHS when I was very young.

09-27-2013, 07:02 PM	#38
~~Grizzly~~ Banned Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 74	Not to mention--we never saw a body to prove that the Shredder actually finally bit it.

09-27-2013, 08:49 PM	#39
madyankees Hench Mutant Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Singapore Posts: 329	My take on "irony".... Shredder kicked the turtles' butts easy in the 1st movie with his superior ninjitsu/combat skills but in the 2nd movie, he deemed it necessary to use 2 not so smart mutants and then mutate himself with the ooze which led to him going bersek and then his eventual death...