Biggest Aspect of Re-Invention of the 2014 Turtles?

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by FellowChucker

Not for me, I haven't liked what I've heard. And I was excited. It's being tempered a lot more. I've voiced my concerns, and displeasures. See this very thread. I'm actually unbiased. Taking news as it comes to formulate opinions. You'd be lying if because of your disdain for it fromt he get go you haven't overly nitpicked each and every idea or image.

Never mind the fact that I, who was included in your list, have given examples of the very few things I like about what I've seen so far on multiple occasions.

So yes. Unbiased.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Originally Posted by FellowChucker

Not for me, I haven't liked what I've heard. And I was excited. It's being tempered a lot more. I've voiced my concerns, and displeasures. See this very thread. I'm actually unbiased. Taking news as it comes to formulate opinions. You'd be lying if because of your disdain for it fromt he get go you haven't overly nitpicked each and every idea or image.

Because what should I be happy about?

News of the Original Script?

Casting of actors that I don't like and don't care for? (Megan Fox to me can't act, Will Arnett I don't care for as a comedian, William Fichtner I've never cared for as an actor and is a poor choice as a villain from the multiple movies I've seen from him.)

The producer and production company that did horrible remakes like Nightmare on Elm Street, The Hitcher, and Amityville Horror?

The peaks at the Turtles look which looked horrible (In My Opinion) because they look like giant Steroid Abusers/Juicers and ones like Raph has ugly as hell Primate-type Noses? Or Mikey with his Demon face?

The news of people seeing the trailer and not having the most positive reactions?

A beat by beat description of the trailer that sounds lame, boring, and lacking of any excitement that a teaser Should do? Yeah, I should be excited for Snow, Subways, Megan, Will, and the makers changing everything 'just for the f*ck of it' and "just because they can."

The sinking feeling that it's going to be Megan and Will in the forefront and the Turtles in the background? And if/when that's the case, then what...are people Still going to be Fine with a Turtles movie where they don't actually star in it? (and I truly think some Would be fine with it.)

This film has done Nothing upon Nothing to make me feel otherwise. It's not nitpicking when Not A Single Thing sounds or looks interesting. Just MY opinion.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by FellowChucker

Of course it could be done right. I don't mind them being taller, or more muscular. More mutated. The new turtles seem to be based off this recent re-invented look:

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images...y_nebezial.jpg

Which is good. They're taller, the lips, the faces. Just with clothes It seems very directly based off this artwork. Which is cool considering I felt these were very Michael Bay-ized TMNT to begin with.

And the guy from IGN said they did look like the picture taken and several other said they look like the turtles we know know one thing i seem to see trending is those who are already negative keep posting from the same two pages with the movie negative POV which to me means they do not take into account other opinion only those that are negative but from those who actually were there there were more positive views on the turtle everything else fallowing were re-account posted from the two negative sites.

Originally Posted by FellowChucker

What bothers me is the rumored strength. Flipping cars with their hands like the Hulk? That just takes things too far, into a different concept of the ninja turtles. Agree?

However it could be just an over exaggeration by the TrickorTreat, CyberCubed, Leo656, RamboRaph, #42 hate club who have their mind made up on this movie much before and either confused something they saw to over exaggerate to make it sound worse than it is.

They could've seen the clip of the turtle falling down the mountain then slamming into a car, who knows.

I really thing they are. Obviously as i have said before you are not going to make everyone happy it just doesn't work out that way.

Originally Posted by FellowChucker

I highly doubt they saw a sizzle reel months in advance, well before they even finished this teaser trailer this month. It takes a while for even brief clips of full CG characters like that to be rendered.

I question the validity of what happened till I see it for myself.

I'm still really skeptical About the supposed Information leaked about flipping a car with one hand business, but i think i will judge thing based off of my opinions first hand not some random people with jumbled opinions and mixed information

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Originally Posted by FellowChucker

You've had your obvious agenda since the beginning. It's on your youtube channel.

So...you're telling me things I already know?

Yeah, I was mad about it from the beginning. Did I say that wasn't the case? Nope. Never said that wasn't the case.

Why do you think I've been looking at the news all this time? So it can change my mind, to make me a believer, to make me go 'hey, that's not too bad, let me give it a chance' or at least 'ah, that sounds okay.'

And not a single thing so far has done that.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by FellowChucker

As a turtle fan. Why?

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[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Originally Posted by FellowChucker

As a turtle fan. Why?

Because I didn't want a "Transformers with Shells."

Because for the first live action film of these characters in over 20 years, I would like a Ninja Turtles film where the Turtles are actual 3-Dimensional Characters (emotions, family moments and bonding, character development & build-up, character arcs that get fulfilled). Which isn't a silly idea or concept as I'm sure some will say because other comic book films have done this same thing.

When these people got involved, I really didn't see that happening. Instead, now I was hoping "well, I at least hope now that they will Actually star in the films...unlike the Transformers did in their own films."

And then wondering if Michael Bay as producer would learn from Spielberg who produced his Transformers films (in which the writers of those films have said, on Commentary, that Spielberg told them to put the Humans in the forefront because 'it has to be from the Humans perspective.")

Every piece (for me) hasn't dissuaded me. Whether it be the casting or anything else. I just have huge doubts that these people care that much about the fan base. And hey, I get it. It's not their job. Their job is to make a movie that makes enough money for more movies.

At the same time, it's the sentiment if "If they don't care, then why should I care?"

Do I have proof? No. And if people do look forward to the film, then hey...I have no right to say otherwise. That's honestly perfectly fine.

And I would love to sit here and go "Yes, I look forward to it." You have no idea how I would love to sit here and go "I can't Wait!"

But I would be lying if I did.

I would like a Ninja Turtles movie that gets people to take these characters seriously and not 'a joke.' And so far, to me in My Opinion (not fact, just my opinion) it does sound like a joke so far. And a Bad one. One that people will laugh at very much.

And for a new Live Action Ninja Turtles flick in 20 years, that does make me Sad.

[snake]

Originally Posted by FellowChucker

Ones you have called boring, and/or had major beefs with. But for the TMNT, of course in your book it's ok?



The 1990 film very much had dimensions to the turtles. Even more so than the 2k3 series, where everyone seems to be one note.


TMNT 1990 did this w/ April, Danny, and Casey.

At least April, and Casey are true mythos characters.

TMNT SOTO did this w/ Keno. It didn't start w/ Michael Bay. As for ILM and their work on the Transformer films, and now TMNT?

You do realize the CG is very expensive? So human plot points and scenes, while not exclusively following just the Transformers, or in this case the Turtles is a money saving venture, right?


SOTO sucked
TMNT III sucked
Next Mutation sucked
2k3 was pretty decent, but under the radar
TMNT 2k7 sucked

2k12 is pretty decent, but very popular.

I don't think this film, no matter how bad is ruining anything Ninja Turtles related long term.

Soto didn't suck, and the first three movies had tons of parts with the turtles, and April and casey were usually seen with the turtles.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Originally Posted by snake

Soto didn't suck, and the first three movies had tons of parts with the turtles, and April and casey were usually seen with the turtles.

Agreed. And the Turtles were still seen as the stars of those movies. SOTO I enjoy and had lots of fun/character moments of the Turtles themselves (like Mikey chewing loudly on purpose to annoy Raph, a fun character bit for Mikey.)

"But with the TMNT, of course it'd be ok in your book." Since they're my favorite fandom? I would think that would be obvious. Sorry that I'm not the biggest Batman fan so thus Dark Knight didn't appeal to me as much as others. Maybe if I loved Batman as a character as much as the Turtles, then it would.

Is that okay with you, sir?

Keno was a side character. Not the star (which was my Point).

I KNOW the 1990 film had it. Did I say it didn't? Thus why I would not only like to see that done again but Expanded.

And the Turtles Don't need to be CGI. To me, the suits in the first 2 films look Fantastic and that was over 20 years ago. Just do suits again (and if you need to do it CGI, then just do it with the mouths/eyes. Bingo, lots of money saved AND you can still do plot points and scenes.) It didn't need to be 100% CGI with them. If you disagree, cool.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by snake

Soto didn't suck, and the first three movies had tons of parts with the turtles, and April and casey were usually seen with the turtles.

And at this point we dont know that about this movie either based on a TEASER trailer

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

And at this point we dont know that about this movie either based on a TEASER trailer

This was the promo image they put up for the movie. With logo.

Spoiler:

That is heinous.

[TurtleTitan97]

- The fact they ditched Oroku Saki and replaced with Eric Sachs
- The Turtles' radical new designs

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Originally Posted by FellowChucker

SOTO is a bad film. You're nostalgia glasses are fogged up.

Sorry, I can say a lot of good things about the film without your condescending words of "nostalgia goggles fogged up."

The voice work of the Turtles, in my opinion, is still the best group of voices for the Turtles and I think they did an Excellent job bringing those characters to life.

Jim Henson's shop made beautiful animatronics that, to me, still holds up today.

Keno was a decent side character and Ernie Reyes Jr. didn't do a bad job acting.

The score fit the film very well.

The fight scenes were entertaining to watch and more than decently choreographed.

Small but Fun family moments that I can pick up on that made me believe more that they were a family; like Mikey rubbing Raphael's head to sooth Raph's anger when he got his foot stomped by Keno....Mikey chewing his food more loudly/on purpose to rile Raph up....then actually playing around and having fun like Brothers.

Not too long, pretty quickly paced.

But, I guess I can't go on because I'm not allowed to like the movie without my "nostalgia goggles fogging up", as you so eloquently put it.

[graphic_content]

Originally Posted by FellowChucker

SOTO is a bad film. You're nostalgia glasses are fogged up.

I'd have to agree with you here - I recently rewatched it, and have to say, when the pizza delivering sidekick has better fight choreography than the turtles, something is wrong.

[snake]

Originally Posted by FellowChucker

SOTO is a bad film. You're nostalgia glasses are fogged up.

Nostaliga glasses? I wasn't even born when soto was released. Sure it's cheesier then the first one but it's a fun movie. Why do you hate it?

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by snake

Nostaliga glasses? I wasn't even born when soto was released. Sure it's cheesier then the first one but it's a fun movie. Why do you hate it?

I look at it this way.

The first movie combined elements from both Mirage and the original cartoon.

The second movie was basically just a straight up adaptation of the original cartoon.

Nothing really wrong with that. It's still a lot of fun.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

This was the promo image they put up for the movie. With logo.

Spoiler:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjjC-Z6CIAAZNd3.jpg:large

That is heinous.

And TMNT 90's movie didn't have any human production photos???
Casey
April,


ok

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by graphic_content

I'd have to agree with you here - I recently rewatched it, and have to say, when the pizza delivering sidekick has better fight choreography than the turtles, something is wrong.

He was actually one of the turtles in the original Film and a great Martial Artist, Ernie Reyes is a beast

[chrisdude]

I like SOTO. But I understand being bothered or disappointed by the change in tone. It's very awkward to do that during a series. I think Batman Forever and Batman & Robin strike a great tone, in terms of seriousness vs camp - for me, personally. But following Batman and Batman Returns makes it seem absolutely ridiculous. Because you're taking an established world and making it crazier. If 1990 was like SOTO, and carried more influence from OT, fans would probably have accepted it more. It's the change that hurts it.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Originally Posted by FellowChucker

I agree with some of that but it's still a bad film even with it's nostalgia or charm. Still a hugestep down from the original. Poor plot. Corny, extra childish. Neutered weaponry, violence, and marital arts. More over the top, and campy. It ceased to take the material more seriously. That terrible climax and third act confrontation.

To you, it's a bad film. To me, it's not and it's a fun film. I could go on but it doesn't matter. Because it's not about 'me making you agree with me' or vice versa. It would at the end of the day end with "We agree to disagree."

What I have a problem with is the fact that apparently, to you, no one can actually enjoy that film without having 'nostalgia goggles that's fogged up.'

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

And TMNT 90's movie didn't have any human production photos???
Casey
April,
http://crunchingsandmunchings.files....pg?w=225&h=300

ok

Are you f*cking kidding me?

I'm talking about as an official representation of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie at a trade show.

It's literally just a photo of Megan Fox and Will Arnett with the logo plastered on the corner.

If you took the logo off, there is NOTHING about that photo that would tell you it belongs to a TMNT movie if you didn't already know.