donny Just flipped a car...Im treating this movie as a cartoon from now on.

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by Leolead

Don is sliding down a hill again and sticks the bow staff in the wheel-weld and causes it to flip that way.

No, he literally stuck his Staff underneath a truck, pressed a button, and it FLIPPED the truck over.

But Y'know, we're just gonna have to agree to disagree.

[Leolead]

Originally Posted by electric_sheep

because science, physics, logic...
That staff better be made out of the heart of a dying star or that scene is going to be very silly.

actually it looks like donny is pressing a red button so...

[Glados]

Originally Posted by chrisdude

Eh. Yeah, they seem to bend the rules of physics a bit, but so what? I don't agree with the prevailing Hollywood reasoning that you can do whatever wild things you want in animation, but if you film a movie in live action, everything needs to be realistic. Who drew that line?

Isn't it a negative that comic book properties only get live action feature films by being forced into a realistic world? Anything that helps break that barrier is fine by me.

Well said! Films like Iron Man are full of realism-stretching stuff too, but that doesn't mean it's a bad movie! A little over-the-top'ish stuff I can tolerate. It doesn't mean I'll swallow anything, but so far I haven't really seen anything in this film that is too outrageous for me to swallow.

[Sighphi]

Originally Posted by chrisdude

That's exactly what I'm talking about. We wouldn't question this stuff in a cartoon, or a comic book. But there's something about shooting something with a camera that makes everyone say, "They had better explain this, because it needs to make sense."

It's just like how people can't accept a dramatic, mature story if it's animated. Animation can only be for kids. It just doesn't make sense to me.

Yeah, cartoons may get a bit more leeway but they are not immune to this.
Tom and Jerry are not on the same level as Ghost in the Shell: SAC.

[chrisdude]

Originally Posted by Sighphi

Yeah, cartoons may get a bit more leeway but they are not immune to this.
Tom and Jerry are not on the same level as Ghost in the Shell: SAC.

The Japanese culture doesn't seem to have a problem accepting animation as a medium for dramatic, mature storytelling.

[Puddinpop]

Thank god it's only a movie... we'd be all Alex Jones up in this biotch
Awesome thread btw

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Xiewin

I don't know if you guys noticed, but when Donnie was about to flip the truck over, he pressed a red button on his staff and used a large rock as a way to spring the truck upward. But I still don't know what material that staff is made of though

Surely basic materials they found in the sewer...

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Surely basic materials they found in the sewer...

Same spot where they found the Van and the paints to customize it

[sh3llshocked]

Originally Posted by Sighphi

In a forum!

Surprising, isnt it.





There's a certain level of goofiness you can do and this is apparent in all action films. Most of the stuff that Batman does is not really possible in real life. Those bat ropes he uses to escape need a device that is way bigger than the one he uses and one cant really glide the way Batman does but they still fall within a certain level of realism.

Flipping a truck with a stick, tackling a truck, and breaking bricks when you land are outside of the range of the standard turtle levels. But if they explain that.... they are hulk-level in strength i guess those events makes a bit more sense. But if they are the rocket skateboard makes no sense cause the power needed to move those things is tremendous! Unless those are Utrom tech... then i guess that makes sense...

Still... i am preparing for none of this to make any sense and going in thinking this is just a cartoon.

Actually, just saw an episode of TMNT 2012 where Raph is thrown into a brick wall, after being flung from a van and when his shell hit the brick wall building it smashed/cracked the wall.

Also saw Shredder pull 3 foot long retractable claws out and then a 3rd middle "swordlike" claw.

I find it funny listening to people come up with all these commentd about the movie and the cartoons did the same thing.

And all this talk about "a certain level of realism"... to me its either real or its not. You cant sit here and critique things that are unrealistic but accept others...well, you can it just makes no sense...

[graphic_content]

i dont know about you guys but i go dumpster diving, and make frequent trips into my local sewers to find awesome tech...

...in fact, i built my laptop from scraps i got in the sewers, and built my man-servant robot from parts i found at the local landfill.

[Sighphi]

Originally Posted by graphic_content

i dont know about you guys but i go dumpster diving, and make frequent trips into my local sewers to find awesome tech...

...in fact, i built my laptop from scraps i got in the sewers, and built my man-servant robot from parts i found at the local landfill.

Actually in NYC you can find a lot of good stuff when office buildings throw away their "old" things.



I actually passed this guy on my way to work a bunch of times.
Some of the stuff Don has is possible.

[Gokhan]

Donatello flips a car with his Bo staff in the new released clips... it happens in the scene where they are going down the snow hill

I'm excited 2 have a new movie but super powered turtles bothers me slightly

[Zulithe]

Two things... I'm not an apologist just some observations:

1. yes, the turtles this time are bigger, beefier, stronger... not quite to The Hulk levels but you could definitely say they are "hulked out" -- though Don is less so than the other 3. The producers of this film chose to go a little further with what a mutant turtle might actually be capable of.

2. It's no ordinary staff... it's some sort of techno-gadget staff he made. You can tell by looking at promotional images of him holding it, as well as the toys. So it is capable of a bit more than your standard wooden staff.

[slingtheory]

The words. Do. Not. Want. As a fan of the martial arts aspect suuper strong turtles are trn off to me

[Warhorse]

Hmmm, in The Dark Knight, Batman flips over an entire semi truck, and it's trailer, vertically, with a souped up motor cycle, some wire and a few lamp posts, and no one thinks twice about it.

A mutant Turtle with a souped up Bo flips a car over (don't cowboys do that all the time with cows?) and everyone loses their minds.

[beeshaw]

Not to mention it's not Donnie using his *super hulk turtle* strength doing the flipping. It's the bo.

[CyberCubed]

They basically turned the Turtles into 4 Hulks in this movie.

So instead of the Turtles being ninja's and using stealth, they do "Hulk Smash" in every scene.

[IndigoErth]

Well, Hulk turtle with an specially engineered Anti-physics Bo.

[Sewer Sirens Podcast]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

Same spot where they found the Van and the paints to customize it

Same goes for every other version of the turtles that includes the Turtle Van.

In each incarnation, they end up having an explanation (even if it's a little out there). TMNT is a 'little out there' property, having many 'out there' things. Mutant turtles, ninja clans in NYC, and, yes, a turtle van.

Even though this is a film approach to a franchise we all know and love, I'm open to bending "realism" rules for it, just like every other TMNT cartoon and comic. Just like every other big blockbuster film.

There's a lot of fun qualities added that may not exist in the real world. However, I would rather be open to it than nitpick about everything that might not be slightly realistic. This is a movie, a movie with many wacky things, that I don't want a thirty minute explanation for everything 'wacky' in it.

(This is not directed at all negative posters. If it seems I'm generalizing, I apologize. This isn't even all directed at you, Candy Kappa [it actually started that way, and then it turned into a post where I could address some other concerns or gripes].)

[beeshaw]

Yeah... Imma just not come into this thread anymore. lol

If Donnie kicked, or lifted it causing it to flip. Go ahead. HULK TURTLEZ it up, but that's not what happens.

I'll buy his 'Anti-physics bo' the same way I buy that he's an 'mutated anthropomorphic turtle who is trained by an anthropomorphic rat'.

There WILL be a degree of suspension of disbelief in this movie. This will not be super grounded, nor should it. This will not be super realistic, not should it. It should LOOK real, as it seems it does. But as long as it all works within the confines of this, their own universe, I'm there.

Set the 'rules' up and follow them though. If the Bo breaks in half the next scene against a Foot's shin. I'll be bitching like the next guy. But if this is how his new and improved Bo works, and they stick with it (heh), then I'm game.

I'll already take this one scene over 'Inflatable Punching Bag Donatello beating up a foot with a foam bat'.