Movie Decisions Someone Should've Been Fired For

[Powder]

Originally Posted by sethmartin

PD Ninja Turtles is a much better film than Turtles 3...

Maybe visually. But TMNT 3 is better acted, written/characterized, edited, it follows through on it's plots, which have no holes...

[Casey]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

It might have been better if Lord Norinaga was an ancestor of Oroku Saki at least. Like Lord Oroku Norinaga.

That's what I think too. Have a version of the Foot Clan and a relative of Saki. That's all it would've taken to tie it in with the franchise.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by Powder

Maybe visually. But TMNT 3 is better acted, written/characterized, edited, it follows through on it's plots, which have no holes...

Couldn't agree more. Really, the only thing wrong with it was the costuming and the dated humor. And the story actually made sense.

Originally Posted by Casey

That's what I think too. Have a version of the Foot Clan and a relative of Saki. That's all it would've taken to tie it in with the franchise.

But they did that- with Casey/Whit and Mitsu's little brother Yoshi. Pretty clear ties, IMHO. I sort of got the impression it was meant to be the beginning of Hamato Yoshi's family, since we are never told Mitsu and little Yoshi's surname.... Whit was pretty obviously Casey's ancestor or at least a previous incarnation- take your pick.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

But they did that- with Casey/Whit and Mitsu's little brother Yoshi. Pretty clear ties, IMHO. I sort of got the impression it was meant to be the beginning of Hamato Yoshi's family, since we are never told Mitsu and little Yoshi's surname.... Whit was pretty obviously Casey's ancestor or at least a previous incarnation- take your pick.

I always assumed that as well. It helps me enjoy TMNT III. I still think TMNT III would be taken better with Henson suits.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

No doubt. Honestly, aside fromt he slight google-eye thing they had going, they weren't really even that bad. And going overboard on the spots. That sort of bothered me too.

[Casey]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Couldn't agree more. Really, the only thing wrong with it was the costuming and the dated humor. And the story actually made sense.





But they did that- with Casey/Whit and Mitsu's little brother Yoshi. Pretty clear ties, IMHO. I sort of got the impression it was meant to be the beginning of Hamato Yoshi's family, since we are never told Mitsu and little Yoshi's surname.... Whit was pretty obviously Casey's ancestor or at least a previous incarnation- take your pick.

I disagree that they are hinting at there being any relation to Saki and I think the Casey thing was obviously a previous incarnation or something, BUT how does that really tie in to the storyline like it would have if we had the Foot? Casey's possible ancestor is completely unnecessary and does nothing for the plot.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

You misunderstood. I wasn't referring to Saki or the Foot, but to Hamato Yoshi. Which is the only tie they would need, really. Without him being born, there would have been no rivalry to begin with! Mitsu seemed suspiciously ninja-like (kunoichi?) so it's possible her family began the teachings that later led to the ninja clan that Hamato Yoshi belonged to. Why does everything always have to tie to the Foot, anyway? They aren't the ONLY enemies in TMNT lore, after all, and the third movie clearly was its own thing apart from the Foot right from the start. It was about the Time Scepter, not Shredder. Not everything HAS to revolve around him!

Edit: And yes, Whit was actually pretty crucial to the plot. He got in with April and the turtles (spy), he stole the scepter after they found it, and he delivered it to Walker AND kidnapped Mitsu! Walker had been planning on blackmailing or bribing Norinaga with it, which is why he told him he didn't have it, even though he knew Whit had it. Pretty major role there.

[Casey]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

You misunderstood. I wasn't referring to Saki or the Foot, but to Hamato Yoshi. Which is the only tie they would need, really. Without him being born, there would have been no rivalry to begin with! Mitsu seemed suspiciously ninja-like (kunoichi?) so it's possible her family began the teachings that later led to the ninja clan that Hamato Yoshi belonged to. Why does everything always have to tie to the Foot, anyway? They aren't the ONLY enemies in TMNT lore, after all, and the third movie clearly was its own thing apart from the Foot right from the start. It was about the Time Scepter, not Shredder. Not everything HAS to revolve around him!

Edit: And yes, Whit was actually pretty crucial to the plot. He got in with April and the turtles (spy), he stole the scepter after they found it, and he delivered it to Walker AND kidnapped Mitsu! Walker had been planning on blackmailing or bribing Norinaga with it, which is why he told him he didn't have it, even though he knew Whit had it. Pretty major role there.

I see what you mean about Splinter now. Now I think you've misunderstood me though haha. I was saying that Whit being related to Casey in any way has nothing to do with the plot in the same way that showing how the Foot got started or how Saki's family took power happened.

[ProactiveMan]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

No doubt. Honestly, aside fromt he slight google-eye thing they had going, they weren't really even that bad. And going overboard on the spots. That sort of bothered me too.

And their goofy, giant teeth and flappy-open mouths, and balloon rubber skin...

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by Casey

I see what you mean about Splinter now. Now I think you've misunderstood me though haha. I was saying that Whit being related to Casey in any way has nothing to do with the plot in the same way that showing how the Foot got started or how Saki's family took power happened.

No, I didn't misunderstand that at all. It just wasn't relevant tot he plot. Saki was dead, and had nothing to do with the story at all. Why would they need to include anything about his family in that case? It would serve no purpose. Casey, on the other hand, DID, especially since he was (semi)actively involved in the plot. So having ties to the past made sense for him. Also, April was the one who decided to take Whit along, precisely BECAUSE of his resemblance to Casey. Yet there was no way for Walker to know that! So yes, there was plenty of reason to have him there.

[Technogeek29]

There are some things I like about TMNT III mainly it focused on Mikey and we see he can be more than the funny guy the original movie touched on it but not to the degree 3 did.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by TurtleMikey

Dropping the Blue Door script completely, rather than simply changing it to be traditional in origin.

They didn't drop it completely. There's quite a lot from that script in the finished movie.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Powder

"It's such an insane jump that comes out of nowhere"

Not for actual fans who have, ya know, read a comic, watched an episode, etc. Time Travel is a huge deal in TMNT lore. What a dipsh*t.

Not really a *******. It just doesn't make sense for the average movie goer, especially after the context of the first 2 movies.

I mean to be fair, time travel hits every comic book sooner or later. But you kinda can't go from 2 movies that were more or less grounded in reality to all of a sudden time travel. I mean, talking turtles aside, they can't go from fighting a street gang, then a street gang and 2 evil mutants... to TIME TRAVEL!!! WHOOOOOO!!!!

Doesn't work that way in cinema unless you kinda hint crazy stuff like this is bound to happen. Hell, had they kept the alien utrom in Secret of the Ooze that would have opened the door to more weirdness beyond just mutants in an otherwise realistic setting and made time travel less insane in comparison.

I mean, Batman has also traveled through time and fought aliens in other worlds and dimensions.... you can't just up and make Batman Returns about Batman going through space and whatnot.

Even X-Men did it's time travel movie in what is essentially a part 5 to the series. Audiences probably wouldn't have taken too kindly to it if X2 was already throwing all that **** out there.

[Powder]

The average movie goer would have been fans (children) who have, ya know, read a comic, watched an episode etc.

So your point doesn't really stand.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Powder

The average movie goer would have been fans (children) who have, ya know, read a comic, watched an episode etc.

So your point doesn't really stand.

Yes it does. Almost every fictional character goes through all of that crap, time travel, other worlds/dimensions, evil clones, blah blah blah. Movie adaptations mostly stick to the core of the series, which in this case is TMNT VS the Foot Clan.

Again, Batman did all of that stuff and more, noone would have taken a Batman time travel story seriously if Batman Returns was about that. Hell, Venom in Spider-Man 3 was a jump since despite all the weird accidents, throwing aliens into the mix was too out there. Sure, that's how it was in the comics, but Spidey faces aliens, clones and demons every other week there. Nothing was established in the first 2 movies that aliens and whatnot were part of the equation.

Marvel dodged the bullet since their movies, right off the bat dealt with other worlds and alien invasions and people from different time periods and whatnot. Making a time travel movie with them wouldn't seen so outlandish.

[Powder]

Every TMNT series starts off semi-grounded & becomes gradually more absurd & science-fictiony. So, still...

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Powder

Every TMNT series starts off semi-grounded & becomes gradually more absurd & science-fictiony. So, still...

But you gotta work your way up. Even the comics starred with the Turtles fighting foot ninjas on the rooftops before they saw the TCRI sign. And before that they fought killer robots. What works in comics doesn't work for movies unless you already have them fighting triceratoms in part 2 or something.

[Powder]

Clearly it did work, considering it was a commercial success.

[Metropoliskid41]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

But you gotta work your way up. Even the comics starred with the Turtles fighting foot ninjas on the rooftops before they saw the TCRI sign. And before that they fought killer robots. What works in comics doesn't work for movies unless you already have them fighting triceratoms in part 2 or something.

"You gotta work your way up"....umm you mean like having 2 films prior fight nothing but foot ninjas then add the sci-fi Time travel element in the third film? Oh wait, that's exactly what they did.

[Editor's Note Comics]

Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

TMNT 2 changing TGRI to TCRI still makes me dislike the original movieverse. That's what was supposed to be the secret of the ooze (could still have been an accident), it's extraterrestrial origin!

At least that way it would have been a worthwhile secret. Compared to the secret that it came from a lab. What a twist!