Issue #147

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by hypered1

Really need to see what happens next issue but as far as I can tell none of the 'potential futures' have been consistent; #118 it was post-apocalyptic, 20/20 showed and Utrom war (though with Krang and Ch'rell gone we can discount that one) and Turtles in Time's futuristic city was being run by The Foot/ Oroku Saki or at least a Shredder implied to be him which wouldn't make much sense given his current status although the upcoming miniseries could change things in that regard.

They aren't, which is why TigerClaw is just being an idiot about this. At most they're consistent in showing that humans are no longer the dominant society in the future, but that has widely different implications. Even ignoring the fact that the main characters have conflicting fates, it's seriously doubtful that "the" future is an Utom colony, a mutant utopia and a post-global warming hellscape all at the same time, because that would be really stupid. Then there is the fact that the future can't be set in stone, because then Bebop and Rocksteady would not be able to go back in time and kill their past selves, that alone confirms splitting timelines.

Fuck me, I hate that this idiot keeps insisting on contradicting established facts about this universe because he likes to "see fantastical characters".

[Zog The Magnificent]

Originally Posted by neatoman

They aren't, which is why TigerClaw is just being an idiot about this. At most they're consistent in showing that humans are no longer the dominant society in the future, but that has widely different implications. Even ignoring the fact that the main characters have conflicting fates, it's seriously doubtful that "the" future is an Utom colony, a mutant utopia and a post-global warming hellscape all at the same time, because that would be really stupid. Then there is the fact that the future can't be set in stone, because then Bebop and Rocksteady would not be able to go back in time and kill their past selves, that alone confirms splitting timelines.

Fuck me, I hate that this idiot keeps insisting on contradicting established facts about this universe because he likes to "see fantastical characters".

Ultimately, there have been... I wanna say at least 5 different depictions of IDW's future? And in all of them, the only consistent factor has been a sizable mutant population. The circumstances are always wildly different, but there's always more mutants in the future.

There has never been any definitive future, but TigerClaw has been insisting each one was the definitive future for years now, until a new depiction with more furries in it shows up, at which point he switches to declaring that one the "end all, be all, very definitely definitive future."

[lonewarrior20]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Guess who appears in this issue

Spoiler:

Manx aka Verminator X, and I also believe that is Crainiac in the prison thing, I don't know who that third one is.

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Is that a hedgehog I see in the first pod?

[CyberCubed]

Hopefully this is all over and done with soon. This whole future timeline stuff never made any sense, and the less we see of Lita in general the better. Bob and Carmen are the most "nothing characters" the comic had introduced, and considering some of the mutant town characters, this is saying a lot. At this point none of this really makes any sense because as said all the future timelines contradict each other anyway.

Nice to see Renet again, I guess. IDW's version of Armaggon not really being an actual character but more of a plot device is kinda weird too. In Archie he was a time traveling mutant shark, and in the Nick cartoon he was an alien bounty hunter. In IDW he's just...a giant apocalyptic shark with no character.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by lonewarrior20

Is that a hedgehog I see in the first pod?

I don't know really, Aside from the other two who are very recognizable.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Hopefully this is all over and done with soon. This whole future timeline stuff never made any sense, and the less we see of Lita in general the better. Bob and Carmen are the most "nothing characters" the comic had introduced, and considering some of the mutant town characters, this is saying a lot. At this point none of this really makes any sense because as said all the future timelines contradict each other anyway.

Nice to see Renet again, I guess. IDW's version of Armaggon not really being an actual character but more of a plot device is kinda weird too. In Archie he was a time traveling mutant shark, and in the Nick cartoon he was an alien bounty hunter. In IDW he's just...a giant apocalyptic shark with no character.

And Nick make Tokka a giant Kaiju monster.

[TheLabRat]

I actually prefer underground city in Rise TMNT. While these mutants aren't truly supernatural creatures, but at least they have a skeleton, a slime or even a spider lady who can turn into a giant spider.

[TigerClaw]

Every possible future leads to the same outcome, a mutant only society, Every time you travel far into the future, Your gonna see some variation of that outcome, No matter how different, The mutant population just increases to a point where they become the dominant society in New York, There is no escape from that, It can be delayed, But they can't stop the inevitability of it, Its like an absolute point in the timeline where things will go that way no matter how you try to prevent it.

[CyberCubed]

The whole "evil bob from the future" is the most nonsensical part of this final arc at the moment. Like I'm not even sure what that's about or why we should care about, it's just weird. It's also stupid how Renet/Lita know about it and don't tell present day Don or anything, yet Lita blurts out everything else about the future. Sophie's writing is very weird.

[TheLabRat]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The whole "evil bob from the future" is the most nonsensical part of this final arc at the moment. Like I'm not even sure what that's about or why we should care about, it's just weird. It's also stupid how Renet/Lita know about it and don't tell present day Don or anything, yet Lita blurts out everything else about the future. Sophie's writing is very weird.

Same problem in Battle of the Bands arc. Especially when she "accidentally" says something about The Turtles' future girlfriends, she immediately acts like "Oh! No, I said too much". I don't understand why she wants to keep them in suspense at this point while warning them that future will be bad? This is why I don't like this character because her actions is really no different than Evil Bob.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Every possible future leads to the same outcome, a mutant only society, Every time you travel far into the future, Your gonna see some variation of that outcome, No matter how different, The mutant population just increases to a point where they become the dominant society in New York, There is no escape from that, It can be delayed, But they can't stop the inevitability of it, Its like an absolute point in the timeline where things will go that way no matter how you try to prevent it.

Except for the futures that instead depict it as a new homeworld for the Utroms, or any of the other various futures that have been depicted. Your interpretation, which is more more selection bias than interpretation, only makes sense if all other stories featuring time travel are non-canon if they depict any alternatives.

Also I should probably point out here that according to Campbell, the only writer whose run you seem to care about, the mutants are inherently sterile (and even if they weren't, it's doubtful enough of them are genetically similar to produce offspring). You know what that means right? The Mutant population won't grow from within, they can only make more artificially, meaning it can be prevented.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by neatoman

Except for the futures that instead depict it as a new homeworld for the Utroms, or any of the other various futures that have been depicted. Your interpretation, which is more more selection bias than interpretation, only makes sense if all other stories featuring time travel are non-canon if they depict any alternatives.

Also I should probably point out here that according to Campbell, the only writer whose run you seem to care about, the mutants are inherently sterile (and even if they weren't, it's doubtful enough of them are genetically similar to produce offspring). You know what that means right? The Mutant population won't grow from within, they can only make more artificially, meaning it can be prevented.

It won't be prevented, Because Old Hob will continue to create mutants.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

It won't be prevented, Because Old Hob will continue to create mutants.

Unless someone slits his throat...

[TheLabRat]

Hob deserves to die like most villains. When the writers try to pretend he's an antihero, it just makes him a worse character.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by neatoman

Unless someone slits his throat...

Someone else will carry on his work.

[shredder orokusaki]

I will kill all the mutants and destroy mutant city and the turtles.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by shredder orokusaki

I will kill all the mutants and destroy mutant city and the turtles.

Yeah, do it.

[CyberCubed]

Hob pretty much gave up on mutant town, he already left it and expressed disappointment how it turned out. Given the Turtles have (for some reason) forgiven him for causing the whole mutant town explosion in the first place, it seems like he's gone off on his own again.

I'm pretty sure Hob is all alone now. Even Herman the crab who was the most loyal to him pretty much left him when the Turtles reasoned with him in his last appearance. Man Ray is dead, Sally is trying to be mayor of mutant town, Pigeon Pete is just there with the others, Slash is dead, and I'm pretty sure Mondo Gecko and Mutagen Man have never appeared in the post 101 issue run, they pretty much disappeared. And of course the 3 weasel kids went off with Alopex and left their "father" too.

So Hob is now a loner.

[hypered1]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Hob pretty much gave up on mutant town, he already left it and expressed disappointment how it turned out. Given the Turtles have (for some reason) forgiven him for causing the whole mutant town explosion in the first place, it seems like he's gone off on his own again.

I'm pretty sure Hob is all alone now. Even Herman the crab who was the most loyal to him pretty much left him when the Turtles reasoned with him in his last appearance. Man Ray is dead, Sally is trying to be mayor of mutant town, Pigeon Pete is just there with the others, Slash is dead, and I'm pretty sure Mondo Gecko and Mutagen Man have never appeared in the post 101 issue run, they pretty much disappeared. And of course the 3 weasel kids went off with Alopex and left their "father" too.

So Hob is now a loner.

Hob is currently still working with Lindsay Baker whom we last saw in issue 122, I actually asked Sophie two days ago whether there would be any follow up to Lindsay's bug arm that she seemed to be hiding from Hob and her response was simply 'Stay tuned...'

[Zog The Magnificent]

Originally Posted by TheLabRat

Hob deserves to die like most villains. When the writers try to pretend he's an antihero, it just makes him a worse character.

The problem is that they did a good job building him and developing into an antihero, right up until Slash died, and he went full Magneto. At that point, he should have been treated as a villain. That should have been his permenant fall from grace, with him as an overarching villain, ultimately ending in his death, but instead they kept acting like he was an antihero. They also confused "sympathetic" with "pitiable." He should have died in the storyline after that, but like so many other things, the Mutant Town arc basically ruined him and everything he had going for him as a character. He, like many others, is just a shell of a formally interesting character.