New Episode Discussion: Return to New York Trilogy - Page 28

Lanagirl · 10-14-2003, 03:43 AM

I think that Saki is neither ghost nor utrom. I bet he stole this incredible force, betrayed his teachers

... as usual...
Oroku Saki is Oroku Saki

I wonder if they make the third season?
I always believed that there would be a new TMNT cartoon

Shellfox · 10-14-2003, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Quiller-Bee

Because even if he is a "ghost or demon", he obviously has a physical body from which DNA could be sampled.

no if hes a ghost, he probly doesn't have a physical form

*raphael_is_cool* · 10-14-2003, 07:24 AM

A while back someone said something about a ghost that hasn't left it's body so then he could have a physical form

*Jephael* · 10-14-2003, 07:30 AM

Saki has to be a living humanoid being, or else they wouldn't be able to clone him. He's just not mortal is all I'm going to say!

*heretic888* · 10-14-2003, 10:45 AM

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I guess I wasn't the only one shocked but... Rurouni Shredder!?!? WTF? He said he topled the Tokugawa. That was in the 1860s. Is Shredder even human!!???

No. Actually, Shredder said he used the sword to give power to the Tokugawa family (which is a historically amusing statement). They came to power around 1600.

**HorseTechie** · 10-14-2003, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Jephael

Saki has to be a living humanoid being, or else they wouldn't be able to clone him. He's just not mortal is all I'm going to say!

Well.. I was thinking they cloned him from his old body from the past. Not the present one you see in the cartoon. *shrug*

Splinter · 10-14-2003, 12:51 PM

Have anyone considered that Saki/Shredder could be some relation to the 'Entity' from the 'Notes from the Underground' story arc? After all, there still is some mystery about him. And we know that the 'Entity' is not a Utrom, but could possibly have originally been some servant class or something for them.

*Eye of Sarnath* · 10-14-2003, 12:54 PM

Good point, good point... I wouldn't like it if there was nothing else to that guy's story, it felt incomplete...

Prehaps Saki is just like that guy. Whatever that guy is. Alien? Or just really old? Supernatural?

I would prefer it if Saki had supernatural origins as opposed to extraterrestrial.

Splinter · 10-14-2003, 12:59 PM

I think there has to be more to that character also. He was way to mysterious to just be a throw away character. And we know that there were a ton of these guys, who overtime died or abandoned the city. Until it was just the one guy left. So there are a lot of question about, just what happened to all these guys. And just who are they.

*Eye of Sarnath* · 10-14-2003, 01:18 PM

I hope there's more about them... it seems kind of stupid to have three episodes dedicated to him and the mysterious city but give so little information about it.

PanMan · 10-14-2003, 03:08 PM

actually i doubt that guy had anything to do with shredder's past since when he found those remains he was completely uninterested. that's why that underground foot project got cancelled.

~~TheShredder~~ · 10-14-2003, 03:29 PM

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shut up. why are you so convinced hes an utrom. the lamest theory and it has the least evidence

I wasn't even talking about the Utrom theory in the post before that I was questioning other theorys.

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Originally Posted by Mondo J. Gecko

I Believe the Guardian's exact quote was "They did it, The Turtles Defeated the Shredder"

But if the Guardian's think he's dead they must not know he's immortal. How would they not know that? Maybe he became immortal. Remeber when Splinter said only a master could weld the sword of Tengu but with a terrible price? When Shredder picked up the sword it's energy went though his body and he started talking crazy. The sword of Tengu toke his soul. And what he was saying were the memories of the other poul souls who fell pray to the swords curse. Now without a soul Shredder is some type of undead.

Mondo J. Gecko · 10-14-2003, 03:44 PM

How come it didn't suck Splinters soul then??

malignant · 10-14-2003, 03:57 PM

i think you guys are getting way to far into this whole shredders not dead thing.

Obviously he wont be dead, but it's a kids show....it's going to be alot more easily explained then the explanaitions you're coming up with...just watch...

my bet, just a clone.

Splinter · 10-14-2003, 04:06 PM

Even a clone, can't survive decapitation.

malignant · 10-14-2003, 04:07 PM

they can in cartoons.....=]

*Tetsu Deinonychus* · 10-14-2003, 04:48 PM

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The clones simply are not clones of Hun or anyone else but Shredder

Yeah but if Shredder were some type of ghost or Demon how do you clone that?

Because even if he is a "ghost or demon", he obviously has a physical body from which DNA could be sampled. Furthermore, remember Splinter's comment on the Sword of Tengu? They're obviously not going to shy away from mixing science with the supernatural.

Especially, since a Jiang-Si is a ghost that still has it's body! And, being a corpse, his body's DNA might be a little deteriorated with time and death. Hence the mutations and deformities!

Brinatello · 10-14-2003, 06:25 PM

This Saturday's episode, "Lone Raph & Cub" sounds like it won't be focusing much on Shredder. All it says is, "Raphael has an adventure involving a kid on the run from mobsters." Could be another side episode that'll lead up to the last two eps of season 2! I dunno. With all this talk of what Shredder might be, I'm very curious to find out!

Splinter · 10-14-2003, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Brinatello

This Saturday's episode, "Lone Raph & Cub" sounds like it won't be focusing much on Shredder. All it says is, "Raphael has an adventure involving a kid on the run from mobsters." Could be another side episode that'll lead up to the last two eps of season 2! I dunno. With all this talk of what Shredder might be, I'm very curious to find out!

The full synopsis of the episode is this:

24.) LONE RAPH AND CUB: With Splinter mysteriously vanished last episode, the Turtles are feeling frustrated, not knowing where to start looking for him. Impatient with strategizing, Raph heads off on his own, and runs into a solo adventure involving a kid pursued by mobsters. Initially butting heads, Raph and the kid hammer out a trusting relationship just in time to rescue the kid's mother.

Yes, it's a standalone episode. But it definatly still deals with the storyline. It's just a character development episode. And atleast we'll see the turtles trying to figure out how to find Master Splinter.

*Eye of Sarnath* · 10-14-2003, 06:51 PM

There may be some hints of what's to come towards the end of the episode. Probably not, but I'll hope so anyway.

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10-14-2003, 03:43 AM	#541
Lanagirl Hench Mutant Join Date: May 2002 Location: Friends are not sent here Posts: 346	I think that Saki is neither ghost nor utrom. I bet he stole this incredible force, betrayed his teachers ... as usual... Oroku Saki is Oroku Saki I wonder if they make the third season? I always believed that there would be a new TMNT cartoon __________________ DEATH IN DAYS PAST FORGIVEN BY THE GREATEST EVIL TOUCHED ONE HEART AND THROUGH BORN LOVE

10-14-2003, 07:30 AM	#544
Jephael That whack job behind you Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania Posts: 8,143	Saki has to be a living humanoid being, or else they wouldn't be able to clone him. He's just not mortal is all I'm going to say! __________________ "I like it. Simple, but effective!" Raphael; The Mean Machines - 1988

10-14-2003, 12:51 PM	#547
Splinter Radical Rat Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Splinter's Dojo Posts: 1,531	Have anyone considered that Saki/Shredder could be some relation to the 'Entity' from the 'Notes from the Underground' story arc? After all, there still is some mystery about him. And we know that the 'Entity' is not a Utrom, but could possibly have originally been some servant class or something for them. __________________ R.I.P. Master Splinter - Mirage Comics - May 1984 / June 2003 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles - New Episode Guide

10-14-2003, 12:54 PM	#548
Eye of Sarnath Mad Scientist Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: NY Posts: 1,590	Good point, good point... I wouldn't like it if there was nothing else to that guy's story, it felt incomplete... Prehaps Saki is just like that guy. Whatever that guy is. Alien? Or just really old? Supernatural? I would prefer it if Saki had supernatural origins as opposed to extraterrestrial. __________________ "When I was real small I heard about this thing called the decline of civilization... and I decided that it was something I would like to become involved in." -George Carlin

10-14-2003, 07:24 AM	#543
raphael_is_cool Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: England Posts: 2,151	A while back someone said something about a ghost that hasn't left it's body so then he could have a physical form

10-14-2003, 12:59 PM	#549
Splinter Radical Rat Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Splinter's Dojo Posts: 1,531	I think there has to be more to that character also. He was way to mysterious to just be a throw away character. And we know that there were a ton of these guys, who overtime died or abandoned the city. Until it was just the one guy left. So there are a lot of question about, just what happened to all these guys. And just who are they. __________________ R.I.P. Master Splinter - Mirage Comics - May 1984 / June 2003 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles - New Episode Guide

10-14-2003, 01:18 PM	#550
Eye of Sarnath Mad Scientist Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: NY Posts: 1,590	I hope there's more about them... it seems kind of stupid to have three episodes dedicated to him and the mysterious city but give so little information about it. __________________ "When I was real small I heard about this thing called the decline of civilization... and I decided that it was something I would like to become involved in." -George Carlin

10-14-2003, 03:08 PM	#551
PanMan Stone Warrior Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 728	actually i doubt that guy had anything to do with shredder's past since when he found those remains he was completely uninterested. that's why that underground foot project got cancelled. __________________ My name is Pan . . . and I am the Man! [February 19, 2005] I believe that The Shredder will appear in the New Cartoon past Season 3

10-14-2003, 03:44 PM	#553
Mondo J. Gecko Mad Scientist Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,064	How come it didn't suck Splinters soul then?? __________________

10-14-2003, 03:57 PM	#554
malignant Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 383	i think you guys are getting way to far into this whole shredders not dead thing. Obviously he wont be dead, but it's a kids show....it's going to be alot more easily explained then the explanaitions you're coming up with...just watch... my bet, just a clone. __________________ Currently Playing - went back to playing Prince of Persia SOT (Xbox) Mario Kart (DS) Shredder

10-14-2003, 04:06 PM	#555
Splinter Radical Rat Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Splinter's Dojo Posts: 1,531	Even a clone, can't survive decapitation. __________________ R.I.P. Master Splinter - Mirage Comics - May 1984 / June 2003 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles - New Episode Guide

10-14-2003, 04:07 PM	#556
malignant Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 383	they can in cartoons.....=] __________________ Currently Playing - went back to playing Prince of Persia SOT (Xbox) Mario Kart (DS) Shredder

10-14-2003, 06:25 PM	#558
Brinatello Hench Mutant Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Escondido, CA Posts: 446	This Saturday's episode, "Lone Raph & Cub" sounds like it won't be focusing much on Shredder. All it says is, "Raphael has an adventure involving a kid on the run from mobsters." Could be another side episode that'll lead up to the last two eps of season 2! I dunno. With all this talk of what Shredder might be, I'm very curious to find out!

10-14-2003, 06:51 PM	#560
Eye of Sarnath Mad Scientist Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: NY Posts: 1,590	There may be some hints of what's to come towards the end of the episode. Probably not, but I'll hope so anyway. __________________ "When I was real small I heard about this thing called the decline of civilization... and I decided that it was something I would like to become involved in." -George Carlin