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**Karpo_007** · 11-08-2002, 07:40 AM

Well they changed the whole consept to more kid friendly. I liked the first season but after that the quality of the show went down.

GreenWillow · 11-08-2002, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Newton Gimmick

Personally I think Eastman was forced out of the deal. He seems to respect alot of ideas of the turtles. That Laird doesn't. Not that Laird is ruining things, but if he has everything his way its just too much one sided.

~The only creative conflict that I'm aware of between Eastman and Laird was over Venus. There are conflicting stories about whether Kevin created her, or merely supported Saban's introduction. It's pretty certain though that NT:TNM would never have come into being unless Venus was included, so Peter's objections to her were drowned out. Since he now has sole ownership he has been able to remove Venus from the official universe.
And Kevin was not "forced" out. That much I know. I would guess that his selling out his share of the TMNT had to do with money...things like this most often do.
I don't see how Peter could be perceived as not respecting the idea of the TMNT since he co-created them...and is the one helping to return them to their original concept.

~GW

**Karpo_007** · 11-08-2002, 11:30 AM

Eastman did not create venus, but was not so much against her than Laird. And the fact that they live in diffrent states and Eastman working with Heavy Metal, he sold his share. There was no forcing involved.

GreenWillow · 11-08-2002, 12:30 PM

I dunno...there are conflicting stories and in at least one interview Kevin stated that he invented Venus. But sometimes Kevin's stories change...sorta. Don't get me wrong, I love him dearly, but I do know-- from personal experience-- that Kevin tends to tell people what they want to hear.

~GW

**Karpo_007** · 11-08-2002, 12:38 PM

Maybe he invented her, but only because a girl turtle was an order from fox. And yeh i think that Venus was Eastman and Laird's biggest conflict.

Mouse · 11-12-2002, 05:24 AM

so how exactly did fans take to Venus? i mean i've never seen Next Mutation, but could someone tell me why the show even came into being? then again it only lasted a season, so maybe i didn't miss much.

someone enlighten me, please?

**Karpo_007** · 11-12-2002, 08:12 AM

They wanted todo live action series fox produced it, but the condition was that there will have to be a girl turtle. Even if there were no venus, the show wouldn't have been any better. Most of people(besides little kids) hated the show, but there are few who liked it.

**Kali** · 11-12-2002, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Mouse

so how exactly did fans take to Venus?

Well, I wasn't in the fandom when the whole thing was going on, but I'm guessing a number of fans hated the idea of a female turtle from the very beginning. Before the show even started, when all they had was "we're doing a ninja turtles show with a girl turtle". Others thought the idea was okay and waited until they actually saw the show before hating it. Others are nuetral. And there are some, myself included, who think Venus was a good idea, and we all joined the Venus fan group on Yahoo!

*Kameko* · 11-12-2002, 09:36 AM

Venus gets on my nerves to no end, but I think ths concept could have worked if ANYONE other than SABAN

had been working on it.

**Kali** · 11-12-2002, 09:54 AM

Yes, that's my opinion too. TMNT Letters and fan fic portrayals of her and the NM universe as a whole were far less annoying.

Spike The Xenomorph · 11-12-2002, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Kameko

Venus gets on my nerves to no end, but I think ths concept could have worked if ANYONE other than SABAN

had been working on it.

Who, Kameko?

*Kameko* · 11-12-2002, 01:10 PM

Who? What do you mean?

Spike The Xenomorph · 11-12-2002, 01:15 PM

go here for some fun:

http://www.freefungames.com/scripts/cyberpet_open.shtml

Venus & Saban, who are they?

*Kameko* · 11-12-2002, 01:20 PM

*stupified stare @ Spike*

You.... don't.... know..... Man, you been livin' in a cave, or what???

SABAN= The moron who produced PowerRangers, VR Troopers, and, unfortunately, the short-lived live-action TMNT series, The Next Mutation.

VENUS= The female turtle (whom most ppl can't stand) That the aforementioned moron introduced in the short-lived live-action TMNT series, The Next Mutation.

Sparvid · 11-12-2002, 02:03 PM

Well, I don't think I had heard anything about NM until I found the official site.

Mouse · 11-12-2002, 02:05 PM

i wish i could have at least seen the next mutantion just once. i'd probably like it, then again I might have loathed it.

so who's to say???

**Kali** · 11-12-2002, 02:07 PM

They've got clips over at http://www.ninjaturtlesnetwork.com/T...tation/tnm.htm if anyone wants to give it a look.

*Nickokapo* · 11-12-2002, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Spike The Xenomorph

go here for some fun:

http://www.freefungames.com/scripts/cyberpet_open.shtml

Venus & Saban, who are they?

Is that a pikachu?Looks more like a kirby =p
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/kikia1.html

~~Reznorite420~~ · 11-12-2002, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Karpo_007

Most of people(besides little kids) hated the show, but there are few who liked it.

May God pity those non-kids that liked it....

Shellfox · 11-16-2002, 05:58 PM

Well I like NT TNM, don't give me that look, for what it was it was good, I mean it came from the same company that does Power Rangers so expectations were'nt high. Personnaly I loved the concept of Venus, if not the real deal and some fan-Fics I've read with her in them were great, she can be made cool. Ok so the Hummer was a little of the top, the sound effects were over used, Wick- no comment. But It did give us Bone Steel, I love Bone Head, he is you of my favorite villians, simpley because hes not a villian, he just hunts. Of course you need to know I also watch Armada every new ep in the vain hope that the kids will be killed horibbly and skinned alive by megatron feed to Hot Shot, so my opinion may not be the best

11-08-2002, 12:30 PM	#44
GreenWillow Hench Mutant Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The Mountains Posts: 425	I dunno...there are conflicting stories and in at least one interview Kevin stated that he invented Venus. But sometimes Kevin's stories change...sorta. Don't get me wrong, I love him dearly, but I do know-- from personal experience-- that Kevin tends to tell people what they want to hear. ~GW __________________ Hugs, kisses, GreenFaerieDust(tm) and a small vial of Belladonna. Life is good.

11-12-2002, 05:24 AM	#46
Mouse Foot Soldier Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Kansas Posts: 156	so how exactly did fans take to Venus? i mean i've never seen Next Mutation, but could someone tell me why the show even came into being? then again it only lasted a season, so maybe i didn't miss much. someone enlighten me, please? __________________ So what we're blood brothers now?

11-12-2002, 01:15 PM	#53
Spike The Xenomorph Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Hive Posts: 517	? go here for some fun: http://www.freefungames.com/scripts/cyberpet_open.shtml Venus & Saban, who are they? __________________ Pointless sayings: "If at first you don't succeed, hack and hack again!" - Cream The Rabbit

11-12-2002, 02:05 PM	#56
Mouse Foot Soldier Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Kansas Posts: 156	i wish i could have at least seen the next mutantion just once. i'd probably like it, then again I might have loathed it. so who's to say??? __________________ So what we're blood brothers now?

11-08-2002, 07:40 AM	#41
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Well they changed the whole consept to more kid friendly. I liked the first season but after that the quality of the show went down.

11-08-2002, 11:30 AM	#43
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Eastman did not create venus, but was not so much against her than Laird. And the fact that they live in diffrent states and Eastman working with Heavy Metal, he sold his share. There was no forcing involved.

11-08-2002, 12:38 PM	#45
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Maybe he invented her, but only because a girl turtle was an order from fox. And yeh i think that Venus was Eastman and Laird's biggest conflict.

11-12-2002, 08:12 AM	#47
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	They wanted todo live action series fox produced it, but the condition was that there will have to be a girl turtle. Even if there were no venus, the show wouldn't have been any better. Most of people(besides little kids) hated the show, but there are few who liked it.

11-12-2002, 09:36 AM	#49
Kameko Sister to the TMNT Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Los Angeles, California, USA Posts: 2,756	Venus gets on my nerves to no end, but I think ths concept could have worked if ANYONE other than SABAN had been working on it.

11-12-2002, 09:54 AM	#50
Kali Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California! Posts: 11,101	Yes, that's my opinion too. TMNT Letters and fan fic portrayals of her and the NM universe as a whole were far less annoying.

11-12-2002, 01:10 PM	#52
Kameko Sister to the TMNT Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Los Angeles, California, USA Posts: 2,756	Who? What do you mean?

11-12-2002, 01:20 PM	#54
Kameko Sister to the TMNT Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Los Angeles, California, USA Posts: 2,756	stupified stare @ Spike You.... don't.... know..... Man, you been livin' in a cave, or what??? SABAN= The moron who produced PowerRangers, VR Troopers, and, unfortunately, the short-lived live-action TMNT series, The Next Mutation. VENUS= The female turtle (whom most ppl can't stand) That the aforementioned moron introduced in the short-lived live-action TMNT series, The Next Mutation.

11-12-2002, 02:03 PM	#55
Sparvid Stone Warrior Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Östersund, Sweden Posts: 860	Well, I don't think I had heard anything about NM until I found the official site.

11-12-2002, 02:07 PM	#57
Kali Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California! Posts: 11,101	They've got clips over at http://www.ninjaturtlesnetwork.com/T...tation/tnm.htm if anyone wants to give it a look.

11-16-2002, 05:58 PM	#60
Shellfox Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,234	Well I like NT TNM, don't give me that look, for what it was it was good, I mean it came from the same company that does Power Rangers so expectations were'nt high. Personnaly I loved the concept of Venus, if not the real deal and some fan-Fics I've read with her in them were great, she can be made cool. Ok so the Hummer was a little of the top, the sound effects were over used, Wick- no comment. But It did give us Bone Steel, I love Bone Head, he is you of my favorite villians, simpley because hes not a villian, he just hunts. Of course you need to know I also watch Armada every new ep in the vain hope that the kids will be killed horibbly and skinned alive by megatron feed to Hot Shot, so my opinion may not be the best