MIRAGE VOL.4 - ISSUE #10 [MAJOR SPOILER] - Page 3

Stefano · 06-11-2003, 03:30 PM

and as i said above the rat king did apear before splinter if you look

Nate · 06-11-2003, 03:33 PM

Some of Lawson's [sarcasm]terrible[/sarcasm] work on the Return To New York series

Lawson sucks? You've got to be kidding me.

xZAOx · 06-11-2003, 03:53 PM

his humans suck these days IMO. i like everything else. i hope we see some action some day =/.

and i totally called splinter dying! hah! (check that other thread)

but as we all saw rat king was there. and rat king has spoken to splinter from his grave before. so i dont think its 100% the end of splinter, whether hes physically dead or not.

also, remember we still have baxter who found out time travel. i still think that will be going somewhere.

~~PWDESAI~~ · 06-11-2003, 04:01 PM

He wasn't as bad for return to new york, but he was still bad. Compare his art to anyone else's, his just doesn't cut it. He was much better back in the day I agree, but modern days, he sucks. Please stop trying to force your opinions on me. I notice you like it fine, I don't, leave it at that.

donnyman444 · 06-11-2003, 04:08 PM

splinter RIP

~~Leo656~~ · 06-11-2003, 04:16 PM

((Hugs Machias)) Awww...

I've gone on record with my opinion of Lawson: He's not good. His TMNT are fine, he excels at that, but as far as everything else he's just not good. Call it "stylized", call it whatever you want, it still looks more like fan art than something someone got paid to do. Yes, he may have had a hand in some of the best TMNT Mirage stories ever (and his art WAS much better back then, IMO), but as was said, that doesn't mean HE made those stories great. I've been reading comics for almost 20 years and I've seen plenty of great stories with lackluster art. Do I respect him for being part of the TMNT "Legacy"? Yeah, sure, but I still don't like his art, and I persist in thinking that if Mirage didn't exist, Lawson wouldn't have a job drawing comics. Disagree if you want, we all have our opinions. But nobody should attack someone for saying Lawson's art sucks, just like nobody should attack anyone else for saying they like Lawson's art.

Nobody should also drop a book they like just because they don't like the art... well, unless the art is that much of an issue for them. I know what to expect when I buy an issue of TMNT from Mirage: Decent story, bad art. If I was *expecting* Lawson to draw like Jim Lee or Dan Jurgens or Ed Benes, maybe I'd be disappointed. But he draws like Lawson, so I know what to expect going in. ((Shrug))

I'll miss Splinter... but I kind of expected it. So much speculation about it for so long.... bound to happen sooner or later. Still... that sucks.

Peanut · 06-11-2003, 04:28 PM

I'm real sad now. I loved Splinter. Now he's gone. I just hope that there are ways for the turtles to contact him in the afterlife. I'm really curious to see what the Rat King had to do with it.

*Tetsu Deinonychus* · 06-11-2003, 04:39 PM

I agree withe Leo and Mike.

*Voltron* · 06-11-2003, 04:54 PM

HE'S DEAD? WHAT POINT IS THERE TO LIFE ANYMORE? If you need me I'll be sobbing in the dark....

**Nturtle** · 06-11-2003, 05:00 PM

The rat king being there adds a whole new creepyness factor to it, the rat king is never fully explained, very very weird character...

donnyman444 · 06-11-2003, 05:10 PM

does splinter just die from old age or what? it realy doesnt tell u

*Kid Icarus* · 06-11-2003, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by donnyman444

does splinter just die from old age or what? it realy doesnt tell u

I think it was old age.

Aztec General · 06-11-2003, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Nturtle

The rat king being there adds a whole new creepyness factor to it, the rat king is never fully explained, very very weird character...

I agree completely. That's probably why I like his character so much.

Donatello 3:16 · 06-11-2003, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TheShredder

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Originally Posted by Benvenuto

It was bound to happen sooner or later. I saw it coming.

RIP, Splinter.

Now let's just hope they don't kill him the the cartoon.

This takes place 13 years after the cartoon.

heh guess there not Teenage anymore

i can't believe splinter died

Peanut · 06-11-2003, 06:54 PM

I'm pretty sure it was a heart attack. That's what it looked like anyways.

lhb412 · 06-11-2003, 08:03 PM

As much as it saddens me I knew this is what would happen, Splinter was very old and his character really wasn't needed scince he had taught the TMNT everything.

Nate · 06-11-2003, 08:15 PM

Is there anyway someone could post the page where he falls? I'd really appriciate it.. I ordered it, but it won't even get shipped until the 17th.

~~TheShredder~~ · 06-11-2003, 08:20 PM

Why is everone making souch a big deal about his death? He won't appear in Mirage Volume Four so what!? We'll still see him in the in Cartoon and Dreamwave comic.

*Tetsu Deinonychus* · 06-11-2003, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TheShredder

Why is everone making souch a big deal about his death? He won't appear in Mirage Volume Four so what!? We'll still see him in the in Cartoon and Dreamwave comic.

But that's not as canon as the Mirage comic which is the MAIN TMNT universe!

~~Leo656~~ · 06-11-2003, 08:42 PM

Well... to be fair, Chewbacca is technically dead in the Star Wars universe (his death was written in one of the novels) but since there are so many "untold tales" within the Star Wars universe, him being dead doesn't really mean anything all that important.

Not to make light of it, but this is kind of the same way... I mean, "Tales of the TMNT" is supposedly coming out again soon, and you can bet Splinter'll be in that book. His death doesn't mean we'll necessarily get less Splinter, even as far as "canon" is concerned. I mean, about 15 years of stories to tell between Vol 2 and Vol 4? There's a lot of Splinter in there, I'd wager. Basically all this does is establish a set point of when/how he died within the Mirage TMNT timeline.

Oh god... I made like Cochran and used the "Chewbacca Defense"....

Anyway.. it does suck though. I had a strong feeling it'd be April, thinking that Splinter would be too obvious. It just goes to show you: never think, it'll bite you in the rear.

Sigh. It's not how I would've pictured him going out, either....

06-11-2003, 03:30 PM	#41
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06-11-2003, 03:33 PM	#42
Nate Hench Mutant Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Close enough to kill you ;) Posts: 301	Some of Lawson's [sarcasm]terrible[/sarcasm] work on the Return To New York series Lawson sucks? You've got to be kidding me. __________________

06-11-2003, 04:08 PM	#45
donnyman444 Thug Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: minnesota Posts: 86	splinter RIP __________________ "im trying to work, here" "guys im trying to blend, here" donetello

06-11-2003, 04:39 PM	#48
Tetsu Deinonychus The Iron Dinosaur Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Studio Snowlion HQ Posts: 3,021	I agree withe Leo and Mike. __________________ (Image hosting by Postimage.org) And here's a list of all my old wacky threads!

06-11-2003, 05:00 PM	#50
Nturtle Ninja Master Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Technodrome Airducts Posts: 5,215	The rat king being there adds a whole new creepyness factor to it, the rat king is never fully explained, very very weird character... __________________ Fil rules. If Fil takes your 5 bucks then you should be eternally grateful that Fil would even borrow your money. Fil.

06-11-2003, 03:53 PM	#43
xZAOx Stone Warrior Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: TN Posts: 842	his humans suck these days IMO. i like everything else. i hope we see some action some day =/. and i totally called splinter dying! hah! (check that other thread) but as we all saw rat king was there. and rat king has spoken to splinter from his grave before. so i dont think its 100% the end of splinter, whether hes physically dead or not. also, remember we still have baxter who found out time travel. i still think that will be going somewhere.

06-11-2003, 04:01 PM	#44
~~PWDESAI~~ Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,873	He wasn't as bad for return to new york, but he was still bad. Compare his art to anyone else's, his just doesn't cut it. He was much better back in the day I agree, but modern days, he sucks. Please stop trying to force your opinions on me. I notice you like it fine, I don't, leave it at that.

06-11-2003, 04:16 PM	#46
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	((Hugs Machias)) Awww... I've gone on record with my opinion of Lawson: He's not good. His TMNT are fine, he excels at that, but as far as everything else he's just not good. Call it "stylized", call it whatever you want, it still looks more like fan art than something someone got paid to do. Yes, he may have had a hand in some of the best TMNT Mirage stories ever (and his art WAS much better back then, IMO), but as was said, that doesn't mean HE made those stories great. I've been reading comics for almost 20 years and I've seen plenty of great stories with lackluster art. Do I respect him for being part of the TMNT "Legacy"? Yeah, sure, but I still don't like his art, and I persist in thinking that if Mirage didn't exist, Lawson wouldn't have a job drawing comics. Disagree if you want, we all have our opinions. But nobody should attack someone for saying Lawson's art sucks, just like nobody should attack anyone else for saying they like Lawson's art. Nobody should also drop a book they like just because they don't like the art... well, unless the art is that much of an issue for them. I know what to expect when I buy an issue of TMNT from Mirage: Decent story, bad art. If I was expecting Lawson to draw like Jim Lee or Dan Jurgens or Ed Benes, maybe I'd be disappointed. But he draws like Lawson, so I know what to expect going in. ((Shrug)) I'll miss Splinter... but I kind of expected it. So much speculation about it for so long.... bound to happen sooner or later. Still... that sucks.

06-11-2003, 04:28 PM	#47
Peanut Second Gear Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The New World Posts: 15,422	I'm real sad now. I loved Splinter. Now he's gone. I just hope that there are ways for the turtles to contact him in the afterlife. I'm really curious to see what the Rat King had to do with it.

06-11-2003, 04:54 PM	#49
Voltron Handsomest Boy in School Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The Realm of SJW Posts: 4,642	HE'S DEAD? WHAT POINT IS THERE TO LIFE ANYMORE? If you need me I'll be sobbing in the dark....

06-11-2003, 05:10 PM	#51
donnyman444 Thug Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: minnesota Posts: 86	does splinter just die from old age or what? it realy doesnt tell u __________________ "im trying to work, here" "guys im trying to blend, here" donetello

06-11-2003, 06:54 PM	#55
Peanut Second Gear Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The New World Posts: 15,422	I'm pretty sure it was a heart attack. That's what it looked like anyways.

06-11-2003, 08:03 PM	#56
lhb412 Foot Soldier Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 246	As much as it saddens me I knew this is what would happen, Splinter was very old and his character really wasn't needed scince he had taught the TMNT everything.

06-11-2003, 08:15 PM	#57
Nate Hench Mutant Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Close enough to kill you ;) Posts: 301	Is there anyway someone could post the page where he falls? I'd really appriciate it.. I ordered it, but it won't even get shipped until the 17th. __________________

06-11-2003, 08:20 PM	#58
~~TheShredder~~ Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: My Throne Room Posts: 442	Why is everone making souch a big deal about his death? He won't appear in Mirage Volume Four so what!? We'll still see him in the in Cartoon and Dreamwave comic.

06-11-2003, 08:42 PM	#60
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Well... to be fair, Chewbacca is technically dead in the Star Wars universe (his death was written in one of the novels) but since there are so many "untold tales" within the Star Wars universe, him being dead doesn't really mean anything all that important. Not to make light of it, but this is kind of the same way... I mean, "Tales of the TMNT" is supposedly coming out again soon, and you can bet Splinter'll be in that book. His death doesn't mean we'll necessarily get less Splinter, even as far as "canon" is concerned. I mean, about 15 years of stories to tell between Vol 2 and Vol 4? There's a lot of Splinter in there, I'd wager. Basically all this does is establish a set point of when/how he died within the Mirage TMNT timeline. Oh god... I made like Cochran and used the "Chewbacca Defense".... Anyway.. it does suck though. I had a strong feeling it'd be April, thinking that Splinter would be too obvious. It just goes to show you: never think, it'll bite you in the rear. Sigh. It's not how I would've pictured him going out, either....