Raphael vs karai

[Slade]

Maybe it's just me, but I never understood why they make him lose focus. If I go into a rage mode, I don't lose focus, I'm more focused on what I'm raging on. I might not be aware of what exactly I'm doing to whatever it is, but I'm focused on it.

That might not make sense.

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by Raph_tha_Dude

Maybe it's just me, but I never understood why they make him lose focus. If I go into a rage mode, I don't lose focus, I'm more focused on what I'm raging on. I might not be aware of what exactly I'm doing to whatever it is, but I'm focused on it.

That might not make sense.

Yeah, I think the writers have their idea that Raph's anger is his worst enemy in him losing fights is kind of dumb and short sighted, because they actually contradict themselves with that when it comes to Leatherhead, who is nearly unstoppable when he goes berzerk. It's just a cop out from making Raph the defacto best fighter of the team. But, I still think he can get the best of Karai. All of the Turtles can in my opinion and, Leo and Donny have already shown that they can easily take her out when provoked enough. Now, the writers might just have her win in a sparring match under the guidance of Splinter, just to be cute.

[shuriken]

Karai. Just because

[Electric]

and its probably not tthe same for everyone.

with raph, the way its always shown is that hes a great fighter as is, but when he gets mad, he starts getting pumped and that causes him to be more reckless and not think before doing (like flipping out on leo after leo had won a training session, in the gbacj) and to get carried away (almost killing a radom kid hed just met, also in gbacj)

so in a fight, if he gets pissed, he'll start just raging without thought behind it, which in a situation, could be good, but especially against some one like karai, if he doessnt think things through, she'll see that and use it

[Electric]

Originally Posted by Warhorse

Yeah, I think the writers have their idea that Raph's anger is his worst enemy in him losing fights is kind of dumb and short sighted, because they actually contradict themselves with that when it comes to Leatherface, who is nearly unstoppable when he goes berzerk. It's just a cop out from making Raph the defacto best fighter of the team. But, I still think he can get the best of Karai. All of the Turtles can in my opinion and, Leo and Donny have already shown that they can easily take her out when provoked enough. Now, the writers might just have her win in a sparring match under the guidance of Splinter, just to be cute.

this just helped me add to my post. donnie easily took out karai, when he was provoked, much like how raph gets provoked. but like i said, its different for everyone. donnie being enraged caused him to seem super focused, have each move seemingly planned out, etc.

when raphs mad, its all just aggressive instantaneous attacking.

i dont think raphs anger is short sighted at all, and i dont see how leatherheads is related. leatherhead has the advantage of size and strength over most, so he doesnt exactly have to plan his attacks out. just randomly failing around does enough for him. and again how everyone handles anger is different, so it still makes sense for him

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by ElectricN

and its probably not tthe same for everyone.

with raph, the way its always shown is that hes a great fighter as is, but when he gets mad, he starts getting pumped and that causes him to be more reckless and not think before doing (like flipping out on leo after leo had won a training session, in the gbacj) and to get carried away (almost killing a radom kid hed just met, also in gbacj)

so in a fight, if he gets pissed, he'll start just raging without thought behind it, which in a situation, could be good, but especially against some one like karai, if he doessnt think things through, she'll see that and use it

But, then the more pissed off he gets, the more stronger and faster he gets. You said it yourself, he loses his cool with Leo, and Leo gets pummeled. He finally snaps with Casey, and Casey almost gets killed. And then, unless the writers want to forget, in Turtle Temper and Slash and Destroy, he did know how to control himself to win over, so why would he lose all of this to Karai, when both Leo and Donny have already been shown to beat her on a one on one basis, hell, even April has. To think Raph can't is really grasping at straws. If he does lose, it's because the writers are being dicks when they were scripting that scene.

Originally Posted by ElectricN

this just helped me add to my post. donnie easily took out karai, when he was provoked, much like how raph gets provoked. but like i said, its different for everyone. donnie being enraged caused him to seem super focused, have each move seemingly planned out, etc.

when raphs mad, its all just aggressive instantaneous attacking.

i dont think raphs anger is short sighted at all, and i dont see how leatherheads is related. leatherhead has the advantage of size and strength over most, so he doesnt exactly have to plan his attacks out. just randomly failing around does enough for him. and again how everyone handles anger is different, so it still makes sense for him

I'm not sure if Donny was enraged, just overprotective because it was about his girl. I think Raphael would be the same way if one of his brothers was in trouble. It took Slash nearly killing Leo for Raph to pull it together and stop him once and for all. Some people are predicting that when he sees Leo in the one shot, his overprotectiveness will kick in, and he will go apesh!t on Shredder, and have enough power to kick his ass right out the damn window to bide the rest of the team enough time to get to safety. It would be nice to see something like that.

[Electric]

Originally Posted by Warhorse

But, then the more pissed off he gets, the more stronger and faster he gets. You said it yourself, he loses his cool with Leo, and Leo gets pummeled. He finally snaps with Casey, and Casey almost gets killed. And then, unless the writers want to forget, in Turtle Temper and Slash and Destroy, he did know how to control himself to win over, so why would he lose all of this to Karai, when both Leo and Donny have already been shown to beat her on a one on one basis, hell, even April has. To think Raph can't is really grasping at straws. If he does lose, it's because the writers are being dicks when they were scripting that scene.

leo got pummeled because he was caught off guard. casey almost got killed because hes not as good of fighter as raph.

ive said, his anger could be advantageous in situations, because it does help his overall strength and power, but it severly takes away the capacity to think and plan out fighting for him. in TT and SaD, raph was able to control it because he stopped and thought about how he needed to stop being blinded by his anger. a momentary breakthrough while he was still angry, that shows how beneficial his anger could be to him if he thinks with it, or doesnt let the anger take over him.

leo beat karai because hes calm and collected like her. he thinks, he focuses.
donnie id say won because he takes anger differently than raph. instead of getting reckless, he gets precise. thinks everything he needs to.

so, while id say a calm raph could easily hold his own against karai, karai likes to get into her opponents minds. doing this to raph specifically would get him angry, and like always, hed get so angry that he stops thinking and just blindly, aggresively attacks. and doing this with karai, who is calm and rational, would be able to beat him in this sta\te

it doesnt matter how hard you punch if you dont hit your target

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by ElectricN

leo got pummeled because he was caught off guard. casey almost got killed because hes not as good of fighter as raph.

ive said, his anger could be advantageous in situations, because it does help his overall strength and power, but it severly takes away the capacity to think and plan out fighting for him. in TT and SaD, raph was able to control it because he stopped and thought about how he needed to stop being blinded by his anger. a momentary breakthrough while he was still angry, that shows how beneficial his anger could be to him if he thinks with it, or doesnt let the anger take over him.

leo beat karai because hes calm and collected like her. he thinks, he focuses.
donnie id say won because he takes anger differently than raph. instead of getting reckless, he gets precise. thinks everything he needs to.

so, while id say a calm raph could easily hold his own against karai, karai likes to get into her opponents minds. doing this to raph specifically would get him angry, and like always, hed get so angry that he stops thinking and just blindly, aggresively attacks. and doing this with karai, who is calm and rational, would be able to beat him in this sta\te

it doesnt matter how hard you punch if you dont hit your target

And I am just saying I am not buying any of this bull. It's just a cop out for the writers.

[Werecat]

Raphael's rage is a boost to his strength. Karai triggering Raph's hair triggered temper will be a very bad move. Raphael has also shown to easily overpower Karai. However, Karai's allies step in to defend her. Through numbers Karai can win. But through a duel Raphael will win.

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by Werecat

Raphael's rage is a boost to his strength. Karai triggering Raph's hair triggered temper will be a very bad move. Raphael has also shown to easily overpower Karai. However, Karai's allies step in to defend her. Through numbers Karai can win. But through a duel Raphael will win.

This is what I have seen in most instances, it's because she has had her goons attacking the boys relentlessly while she catches her breath. I still think Raphael can overpower Karai with his temper or not, and defeat her on a one one, if he wanted to.

But then again, his temper is a good character development plot, and keeps him more grounded. I'm kind of glad Raphael isn't Mr Perfect who does nothing wrong or never makes mistakes, it would make him kind of boring as a character if he was always winning and outsmarting others.

[SnakeShifter]

Karai is so awesome! Also love her snake mutation look too!