William Fichtner Not Playing Shredder

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

It seems like they're drawing from the IDW series a bit.

If they are, it couldn't be intentionally.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by Xiewin

This movie is gonna be nothing but a big pile of mess..If those rushed reshoots are true, then there's nothing more to say about this film.

Reshoots were only because Megan was pregnant

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

If they are, it couldn't be intentionally.

Yes yes they could be

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Originally Posted by Netkeeper

it's disrespectful to strip a character of minority status

Oh really? I guess OT Baxter Stockman is super racist then.

That's a silly point of view to take. I really don't care what ethnicity a character is. The problem is that Shredder's origin pretty much requires him to be Japanese, since he's a ninja and a member of a ninja clan (the Foot). When people realized Shredder was gonna be a white guy, they flipped out not because the ethnicity changed, but because it seemed like the origin story itself was going to radically be altered as well.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

Reshoots were only because Megan was pregnant

I'm sure that's what they want you to think.

Think about it: Fichtner reveals he's going to be Shredder; everyone gets all angry and rages about it on the internet. Then reshoots happen, and suddenly Fichtner isn't Shredder at all!

I'm very certain reshoots were done to accommodate changes to the script, and maybe also because Fox was pregnant.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

Yes yes they could be

speculation not fact

Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

Oh really? I guess OT Baxter Stockman is super racist then.

actually it is no ifs ands or buts

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

actually it is no ifs ands or buts

Okay, maybe it's racist. I'm not aware of why they made the change, or if they even had a reason, so that was a pretty lame example of mine.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

speculation not fact




actually it is no ifs ands or buts

Beside Kevin say the used inspiration from every version

And that includes IDW

That's a fact

So yes it is possible

[IndigoErth]

Must threads start with an "I told you so, in your face!" mentality...

Call me a bad fan, but I for one don't really care much either way who plays Shredder, even if a white guy would have been a lame decision on their part. But if they purposely mislead fans because they're trying to keep it as some secret surprise, it's not exactly fans fault for believing them.

Yelling "told you so" doesn't usually reflect well on anyone...

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

speculation not fact




actually it is no ifs ands or buts

rac·ism
ˈrāˌsizəm/
noun
noun: racism

the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

Changing race of character isn't racist if there is no malicious intent behind the Change

IS is sexist that Thor is now going to be a woman in the comic? No?

So unless there is proof that they changed that character because they thought that the "white" character was superior to the original. Which i highly doubt

Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

Okay, maybe it's racist. I'm not aware of why they made the change, or if they even had a reason, so that was a pretty lame example of mine.

Read above

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

Beside Kevin say the used inspiration from every version

we have gone down this road before..i wont go down it again because there is no point in even staring it

on topic williams not shredder lets see what mess is next

Originally Posted by samxsteal

rac·ism
ˈrāˌsizəm/
noun
noun: racism

the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

Changing race of character isn't racist if there is no malicious intent behind the Change

IS is sexist that Thor is now going to be a woman in the comic? No?

So unless there is proof that they changed that character because they thought that the "white" character was superior to the original. Which i highly doubt

Read above

wow dude wow...i dont even have words..i'm offended on more levels than you could ever imagine

i used to think you were a good person with a weird sense of fighting for what you believe in...but this is a new low..im done

[TigerClaw]

Maybe the whole William Fichtner playing Shredder was to throw people off.

We seen this kind of thing happen with other movies, When Star Trek Into Darkness was being made, Lots of people thought that Benedict Cumberbatch was playing Khan, And then they said hes playing another character. The movie comes out and he plays this other character who then, Turns out to actually be Khan in the end.

So for this TMNT movie, They were throwing people off by saying that William Fichtner is playing the Shredder, When in the actual movie, Its somebody else.

He could be just some dude whose providing the tech behind the suit, Who knows, He could be working with Baxter Stockman behind the technology. As for how April's father is involved, I bet hes similar to the Kirby from the Nick TMNT series.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

wow dude wow...i dont even have words..i'm offended on more levels than you could ever imagine

i used to think you were a good person with a weird sense of fighting for what you believe in...but this is a new low..im done

Samxsteal had a good point, though. The last thing Bay wanted to do was offend people by changing Shredder's ethnicity - looks like that happened anyway, though. I'm sure the idea of Fichtner being Shredder wasn't a racist one; it was just something Bay wanted to change to make his version stand out. It was still a stupid idea, though. It's almost like making Black Panther a white guy.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

Okay, maybe it's racist. I'm not aware of why they made the change, or if they even had a reason, so that was a pretty lame example of mine.

Well, you definitely had a point in that Saki/Shredder being Japanese is an essential part of his character and identity, while Baxter being black isn't necessarily (or at least not in the same way)... But it still raises issues of representation, as there are an absolute ton of white male characters in comics and media, and comparatively very few characters of colour - especially ones that aren't based on some manner of negative stereotype. That's the best possible reason for Baxter to be, and stay, a black man.

Basically, if you're taking a character of colour and turning them into a white dude... that's basically always a terrible idea.

[MastahShredder]

William Fichtner not playing Shredder.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

If they are, it couldn't be intentionally.

Originally Posted by samxsteal

Yes yes they could be

No. IDW wasn't looking at anything or privy to anything in the Paramount camp, and the script and production was already very well into full throttle by the time the IDW books started coming out. Neither was there ever at any time any Paramount executives sitting in IDW's creative summits.

If there's anything in the movie that is definitively IDW, it could only be incidentally.

Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

I'm sure that's what they want you to think.

Think about it: Fichtner reveals he's going to be Shredder; everyone gets all angry and rages about it on the internet. Then reshoots happen, and suddenly Fichtner isn't Shredder at all!

I'm very certain reshoots were done to accommodate changes to the script, and maybe also because Fox was pregnant.

The only changes to the script happened when Paramount shut down production for a couple of month way back when... long before talk of reshoots. Which weren't even considerable.

Originally Posted by samxsteal

Beside Kevin say the used inspiration from every version

And that includes IDW

That's a fact

So yes it is possible

He indicated what's come before... IDW did not come before. It's going on... now. And again, there was no way for Paramount to even be looking at any IDW comics at the times the "big" decisions were being made in the production and shooting script.

[TurtleTitan97]

This is probably the first good thing I've heard from this movie by far.

Still not excited for the movie though.

[CyberCubed]

The news is still bad, because it means we're going to see little to nothing of Oroku Saki in the film because Eric Sachs will still be the main focused on villain for the majority of it.

I bet we won't see Saki till the very last act of the film, where he suddenly reveals he's Shredder.

So why waste our time with a crusty 60 year old white man for the majority of the film? I don't think he's going to be Krang either for that matter.

[NinjaPug]

No one finds it odd that we don't know the actor that is supposedly playing Shredder 3 weeks from release?

That right there should tell you Sachs becomes Shredder eventually and is the main villain.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

we have gone down this road before..i wont go down it again because there is no point in even staring it

on topic williams not shredder lets see what mess is next



wow dude wow...i dont even have words..i'm offended on more levels than you could ever imagine

i used to think you were a good person with a weird sense of fighting for what you believe in...but this is a new low..im done

Now you Just Miss reading anything im Saying At face Value if you change a character Ethnicity it is not Racist Racism Stems From one group feeling another group is superior, If that underlying "theme" is not involved its not racism. So If they Changed Baxter just because They thought the "white" Version was better Then yes that's racism, but if thats not the case then is not racist.

People use the word Racist without fully knowing the meaning of it, Same with sexist,
Or feminist for that matter

Idris Alba as heimdall Isn't racist like Baxter being white in OT isn't racist unless I missed a story about how the Creator Were racist then By all means im wrong

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Maybe the whole William Fichtner playing Shredder was to throw people off.

We seen this kind of thing happen with other movies, When Star Trek Into Darkness was being made, Lots of people thought that Benedict Cumberbatch was playing Khan, And then they said hes playing another character. The movie comes out and he plays this other character who then, Turns out to actually be Khan in the end.

So for this TMNT movie, They were throwing people off by saying that William Fichtner is playing the Shredder, When in the actual movie, Its somebody else.

He could be just some dude whose providing the tech behind the suit, Who knows, He could be working with Baxter Stockman behind the technology. As for how April's father is involved, I bet hes similar to the Kirby from the Nick TMNT series.

Exactly I still say Baxter is in this movie and Sach Is just an Utrom Help baxter and Shredder

Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

Samxsteal had a good point, though. The last thing Bay wanted to do was offend people by changing Shredder's ethnicity - looks like that happened anyway, though. I'm sure the idea of Fichtner being Shredder wasn't a racist one; it was just something Bay wanted to change to make his version stand out. It was still a stupid idea, though. It's almost like making Black Panther a white guy.

Agreed
And while i disagree Because DONE in a correct way Having a "white shredder" could work Ala Storm shadow/ Snake Eyes

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

No. IDW wasn't looking at anything or privy to anything in the Paramount camp, and the script and production was already very well into full throttle by the time the IDW books started coming out. Neither was there ever at any time any Paramount executives sitting in IDW's creative summits.

I still haven't seen anything about them supposedly "Removing themselves" from the Movie, Except certain artist who did not like the first trailer but are starting to warm up to it. As For No it wasn't the script rewrite happen well after the Series had already started and been in the market, Its not a leap that If Kevin was Brought in and worked with the director and screen writer he could not use aspect from IDW in which he was also a major part of.

If there's anything in the movie that is definitively IDW, it could only be incidentally.

This is not true No matter how much you say it and while saying for sure 100% that this has IDW influences is Assumption so is this Fact is There is still a vary large Possibility that This Could and in fact seems to have influences from IDW

The only changes to the script happened when Paramount shut down production for a couple of month way back when... long before talk of reshoots. Which weren't even considerable.

Its shut down For nearly a year After Johnathan and Even were brought in The same time Kevin has said to sat down with them all and Give them Insight and work with them on the movie

He indicated what's come before... IDW did not come before. It's going on... now. And again, there was no way for Paramount to even be looking at any IDW comics at the times the "big" decisions were being made in the production and shooting script.

IDW does come before its happened and had started and released Several Issues Since the rewrites started