Krang before he turned into a brain? - Page 3

~~ABrown~~ · 06-16-2016, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

I consider both shows to be canon to each other.

Really? I don't even consider Turtles Forever to be canon to the original series.

For me it has to be the same creators like with Batman: The Animated Series and Superman: The Animated Series.

*FredWolfLeonardo* · 06-16-2016, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ABrown

Really? I don't even consider Turtles Forever to be canon to the original series.

For me it has to be the same creators like with Batman: The Animated Series and Superman: The Animated Series.

I consider the Nick series and Transdimensional Turtles to be canon to the OT but not Turtles Forever. Just my personal views.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 06-17-2016, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

I agree with this 100 % It would also keep Krang as a cousin species to the Kraang appearance wise, secretly using some of Kraang Primes mutagen behind his back, making himself a muscular lizard creature before using it to create himself an army of rock soldiers. This kind of power hungry behaviour on Krang's part would likely cause his cousins to banish him for betraying them, stripping him of his powerful and deadly body in the process to weaken and humiliate him.

I believe the rock soldiers are mutated rock from some extremely weird planet deep within Dimension X where rock can be mutated.

*oldmanwinters* · 06-17-2016, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Jester

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NerdSync gets the Mirage No-Prize for putting BOTH Krang's Body episodes in context:

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Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

In my opinion, Krang started out as the brain creature shown in "Four Musketurtles" before growing a body over his lifespan just like the clones in "Invasion of the Krangzoids.", until he was stripped of it by subprime and banished to 2D Earth.

That would explain how General Traag recognized him even as a brain, since Krang took time to grow into the lizard body and wasn't always that way from the beginning, just like the clones.

You win the Marvel No-Prize of the week for that theory!

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 06-17-2016, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

I consider the Nick series and Transdimensional Turtles to be canon to the OT but not Turtles Forever. Just my personal views.

Why not? Continuty problems? I suggest it's set after season 10 since the Technodrome is modified. Theory:

*Seasons 1-10
*Krang returns with the Technodrome after season 10 (Transdimensional Turtles)
*Shredder's back (Turtles Forever)

The silly characters the turtles save April from can't be from Earth, but some extremely strange planet. A portal probably opens up by misstake while the portal between the MWS and 4 Kids realities are opened.

*FredWolfLeonardo* · 06-17-2016, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

I believe the rock soldiers are mutated rock from some extremely weird planet deep within Dimension X where rock can be mutated.

You are correct, in the episode "Michealangalo's Birthday" from the OT, Krang confirms that his army of stone warriors were created as a result of ordinary rocks being mutated.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 06-17-2016, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

You are correct, in the episode "Michealangalo's Birthday" from the OT, Krang confirms that his army of stone warriors were created as a result of ordinary rocks being mutated.

Yes, but he never mentioned it was from any extrmely strange planet. Just something I came up with.

*FredWolfLeonardo* · 06-17-2016, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

Why not? Continuty problems? I suggest it's set after season 10 since the Technodrome is modified. Theory:

*Seasons 1-10
*Krang returns with the Technodrome after season 10 (Transdimensional Turtles)
*Shredder's back (Turtles Forever)

The silly characters the turtles save April from can't be from Earth, but some extremely strange planet. A portal probably opens up by misstake while the portal between the MWS and 4 Kids realities are opened.

I don't think its impossible to reconcile TF with the OTs timeline (after season 10) but it just doesn't feel authentic enough for me to call it canon. I love the movie and think it was a very well done project, I just don't think its canon to the original series.

Transdimensional Turtles on the other hand in my opinon, has a much more authentic feel overall, from the original voice actors returning, to the portrayal of the OT (fun and lighthearted with all their puns but competent and skilled fighters who knew when to be serious), and the new twist added to Krang's origins, giving the Nick universe of having a sense of involvement with the OT universe since the very beginning.

I don't think continuity is an issue here for TF. For all we know, Krang and Shredder could've repaired the technodrome after season 10 and the turtles might've accidentally zapped themselves with the ray from "Leonardo Lighten's Up"

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 06-17-2016, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

I don't think its impossible to reconcile TF with the OTs timeline (after season 10) but it just doesn't feel authentic enough for me to call it canon. I love the movie and think it was a very well done project, I just don't think its canon to the original series.

Transdimensional Turtles on the other hand in my opinon, has a much more authentic feel overall, from the original voice actors returning, to the portrayal of the OT (fun and lighthearted with all their puns but competent and skilled fighters who knew when to be serious), the new twist added to Krang's origins, giving the Nick universe of having a sense of involvement with the OT since the very beginning and yes, the differences in continuity.

But if it isn't canon, I see no point of producing neither Turtles forever nor Transdimensional Turtles and instead let the 1987-1996 TMNT cartoon rest in piece.

*FredWolfLeonardo* · 06-17-2016, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

But if it isn't canon, I see no point of producing neither Turtles forever nor Transdimensional Turtles and instead let the 1987-1996 TMNT cartoon rest in piece.

Like any other tmnt media, the point of turtles forever or even TT for the audience is first and foremost, fun. Canon or not canon, Ive really enjoyed them both and thats what matters to me the most.

Danetello · 07-07-2016, 10:04 AM

I consider the new crossovers to be canonical, and since those episodes establish that the Kraang and the Utroms are tribes of the same race (with the Utroms being the originator), I am willing to accept that Krang is an Utrom himself.

The whole body thing for me is pretty clear, and this is just how I see it. Utroms use android bodies consistently throughout every incarnation. Krang uses an android body. Therefore the whole "build me a new body"/"exiled from my body" thing is null. Krang is an Utrom whose pride and dignity lays within his existence inside a superior android body. The lizard thing I feel was either non-canon, or perhaps a result of Krang's meddling with genetics in that episode, that caused his clones to evolve into a more advanced version of his species. Perhaps Utroms in ten thousand years would look like that?...

Casey · 07-07-2016, 10:22 AM

Whether or not I agree, it is really cool to see something like this discussed on a popular youtube channel.

*Utrommaniac* · 07-07-2016, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Danetello

The lizard thing I feel was either non-canon, or perhaps a result of Krang's meddling with genetics in that episode, that caused his clones to evolve into a more advanced version of his species. Perhaps Utroms in ten thousand years would look like that?...

It's probably more likely reverse-engineering. Like in the video discussing reverse-engineering birds - avian dinosaurs - to be more like their non-avian predecessors with stiff tails and snouts with teeth.

So, the lizards would be the Utroms several million years previously in their planet's history, and for whatever reason, nature saw fit to select them out to being tiny and mostly limbless.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 07-07-2016, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

I don't think its impossible to reconcile TF with the OTs timeline (after season 10) but it just doesn't feel authentic enough for me to call it canon. I love the movie and think it was a very well done project, I just don't think its canon to the original series.

Transdimensional Turtles on the other hand in my opinon, has a much more authentic feel overall, from the original voice actors returning, to the portrayal of the OT (fun and lighthearted with all their puns but competent and skilled fighters who knew when to be serious), and the new twist added to Krang's origins, giving the Nick universe of having a sense of involvement with the OT universe since the very beginning.

I don't think continuity is an issue here for TF. For all we know, Krang and Shredder could've repaired the technodrome after season 10 and the turtles might've accidentally zapped themselves with the ray from "Leonardo Lighten's Up"

Krang could have returned to Dimension X alone and then back to Earth again teaming up with Shredder. Krang and Shredder were last seen on Earth in "Turtles to the Second Power".

Yabuturtle · 07-10-2016, 09:56 PM

I think it's heavily implied he had a body. There is nothing else in the series that said he didn't have one, other than that one episode where we saw other members of his race in bubble walkers. Everything else indicates that he had a physical body.

He seemed pretty distraught over the whole thing, which would make more sense if he had a physical body as opposed to a robotic body and the numerous times where he proclaims that his brain is all that he's got left. He was always like that, he probably wouldn't say something like that. He would also mention things like hands and ears. He would say something like "If I had hands, I'd cover my ears, if I had them" That kind of implies he did have hands and ears at one point.

Krang created CLONES of himself and due to the cloning process they began growing bodies. If they were always brain-like aliens, why would they even grow reptilian bodies to begin with. They were all reptiles and I don't think it's a coincidence because Krang would croak numerous times, kind of like a lizard or other reptiles. Even Beserko didn't really recognize him until he overheard Donatello calling him Krang and remarked that he had a body the last time they met.

I think it's much more likely that he had a body. When you add it all up and put two and two together, it begins to make more sense.

~~Sumac~~ · 07-17-2016, 05:04 AM

I remember there was a concept for a Krang toy, which depicted him before he lost his body. It was a big muscled monster, with detachable head, which looked like Krang.
I think it was one of those concepts which never had been realized and it looked nothing like "krangazoids" from cartoon.

~~ABrown~~ · 07-17-2016, 09:33 PM

I think Krang's species start off as brain like creatures (as shown in the flashback of Four Musketurtles). At some point in their lifetimes, they grow bodies (as shown in Invasion of the Krangazoids). As Krang stated, when he was banished to Earth, his body split. Leaving him in his original brain like state.

Yabuturtle · 07-17-2016, 10:03 PM

I remember him saying "If I had hands, I'd cover my ears, if I had them." That kind of implies he did have a body and did have hands and ears before it was taken away from him. If he was always a brain, why would he say that?

That and he croaks and makes noises similar to a reptile.

*Powder* · 07-17-2016, 10:40 PM

Actually, it implies the opposite.

~~Commenter 42~~ · 07-17-2016, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Yabuturtle

I remember him saying "If I had hands, I'd cover my ears, if I had them." That kind of implies he did have a body and did have hands and ears before it was taken away from him. If he was always a brain, why would he say that?

That and he croaks and makes noises similar to a reptile.

What reptile croaks?

07-07-2016, 10:04 AM	#51
Danetello Stone Warrior Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Florida Posts: 571	I consider the new crossovers to be canonical, and since those episodes establish that the Kraang and the Utroms are tribes of the same race (with the Utroms being the originator), I am willing to accept that Krang is an Utrom himself. The whole body thing for me is pretty clear, and this is just how I see it. Utroms use android bodies consistently throughout every incarnation. Krang uses an android body. Therefore the whole "build me a new body"/"exiled from my body" thing is null. Krang is an Utrom whose pride and dignity lays within his existence inside a superior android body. The lizard thing I feel was either non-canon, or perhaps a result of Krang's meddling with genetics in that episode, that caused his clones to evolve into a more advanced version of his species. Perhaps Utroms in ten thousand years would look like that?... __________________ Dan. Check out all of my TMNT reviews here!

07-07-2016, 10:22 AM	#52
Casey Stone Warrior Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Brooklyn, NYC Posts: 583	Whether or not I agree, it is really cool to see something like this discussed on a popular youtube channel. __________________ GOONGALA!

07-10-2016, 09:56 PM	#55
Yabuturtle Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 602	I think it's heavily implied he had a body. There is nothing else in the series that said he didn't have one, other than that one episode where we saw other members of his race in bubble walkers. Everything else indicates that he had a physical body. He seemed pretty distraught over the whole thing, which would make more sense if he had a physical body as opposed to a robotic body and the numerous times where he proclaims that his brain is all that he's got left. He was always like that, he probably wouldn't say something like that. He would also mention things like hands and ears. He would say something like "If I had hands, I'd cover my ears, if I had them" That kind of implies he did have hands and ears at one point. Krang created CLONES of himself and due to the cloning process they began growing bodies. If they were always brain-like aliens, why would they even grow reptilian bodies to begin with. They were all reptiles and I don't think it's a coincidence because Krang would croak numerous times, kind of like a lizard or other reptiles. Even Beserko didn't really recognize him until he overheard Donatello calling him Krang and remarked that he had a body the last time they met. I think it's much more likely that he had a body. When you add it all up and put two and two together, it begins to make more sense.

07-17-2016, 05:04 AM	#56
~~Sumac~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 6,129	I remember there was a concept for a Krang toy, which depicted him before he lost his body. It was a big muscled monster, with detachable head, which looked like Krang. I think it was one of those concepts which never had been realized and it looked nothing like "krangazoids" from cartoon.

07-17-2016, 09:33 PM	#57
~~ABrown~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,831	I think Krang's species start off as brain like creatures (as shown in the flashback of Four Musketurtles). At some point in their lifetimes, they grow bodies (as shown in Invasion of the Krangazoids). As Krang stated, when he was banished to Earth, his body split. Leaving him in his original brain like state.

07-17-2016, 10:03 PM	#58
Yabuturtle Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 602	I remember him saying "If I had hands, I'd cover my ears, if I had them." That kind of implies he did have a body and did have hands and ears before it was taken away from him. If he was always a brain, why would he say that? That and he croaks and makes noises similar to a reptile.

07-17-2016, 10:40 PM	#59
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,945	Actually, it implies the opposite.