How did we let this happen?

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

you literally just gave them the ok to be bad

You mean me personally? Hell no, I'm just saying why I think this film will be no better than the last... don't worry, I hate this series just as much as you guys.

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

They don't need to make a better film. They throw in bebop and Rocksteady, and the Technodrome for good measure, and boom! Seeing that stuff in live action is enough to make audiences want to see the sequel to one of the worst films of 2014.

Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

this quote right here...is why movies dont try anymore


you literally just gave them the ok to be bad

^^^
Agreed.

I do also agree that most film makers don't set out to make a crap movie, but at the end of the day movies are still a business, and that means returning a profit from one's investment.

And if that means tossing out the baby to gild bathtub...then so be it.
Kevin Smith does a great bit about Superman and Robot Spiders...here, I've found a link:
How producer Jon Peters and a giant spider nearly ruined Superman

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Okay, I'll bite.

First and foremost Sexual Predator!Michaelangelo needs to be called to the mat for his crap. By both April and his brothers. Bonus points for Splinter punishing him for it too. And not just...ugh, it's Mike being Mike. What a horndog!

I want full on consequences for his crap behavior.
(same goes for Vernon)

I'd like April to be filmed with less cheesecake in mind. She's a professional, let's start treating her like one. And hey, if you add in a couple of extra women for her to interact with, then that opens up the possibility of her being venerable without being just a damsel.
A Bechdel Pass wouldn't go amiss.

How about a plot that isn't cribbed heavily from The Amazing Spider-man.

I know the source material wasn't exactly riddled with continuity, or free from plot holes large enough for a MAC Truck to barrel through, but a little attention to detail goes a long way.

I like slice-of-life stuff almost as much, if not more, than big action sequences. So I'd like to have some good decent family time in there for certain. Don't just tell me that these characters love each other, and are honor bound to put their lives on the line for them, show me.

I've been lead to believe that's the whole point of the medium, it'd be nice to actually see some of that.

Action movies can have all of these things, and kickass action too.
Mad Max: Fury Road is proof enough of that.

I'll do you one better - That wasn't Mike. I don't care what anyone says...that's not him. Mike isn't a pig. All of it was so out of character.
So we agree.

On all other counts in the matter, commenter 42 and plastroncafe, ... AGREE.

I'd also opine that anyone reading this, right now, including cubed, probably agree.

Like I said, we're all on the same team, and we are all at fault for not standing together against this POS film, and it's offshoots. We fought like fools amongst ourselves; it's time that stops.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

I'd also opine that anyone reading this, right now, including cubed, probably agree.

*tickled pink*

Heh, anyways. Yes, that would have all been most welcome.

I guess it boils down to TMNT comics never being taken seriously by anyone. Ignoring what Marvel and DC are doing, even more esoteric stuff gets good adaptions (Hellboy, Preacher, Walking Dead, Rocketeer, to name a few).

But instead of being in that category, Hollywood deemed them to belong in the half-assed nostalgia pile. Just add gratuitous cappy CGI, an uninspired human cast that hogs screen time, explosions, dick jokes, Megan Fox and boom.... made a billion for those stupid robots eh?

[sethmartin]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

*tickled pink*

Heh, anyways. Yes, that would have all been most welcome.

I guess it boils down to TMNT comics never being taken seriously by anyone. Ignoring what Marvel and DC are doing, even more esoteric stuff gets good adaptions (Hellboy, Preacher, Walking Dead, Rocketeer, to name a few).

True. A lot of that also has to do with the fact that most of the Marvel and DC characters were famous comic book characters first and then were adapted into "comic book" movies. Whereas, TMNT wasn't really well known until the Fred Wolf show. So it kind of makes sense why they would pay more tribute to that because that's what most people know the characters from.

However, the comic books have the best stories. They could easily do like the 1990 movie and lift storylines from the comics and then add enough elements from the cartoons to please the general audience. That movie started as a faithful adaptation of the comics and then they did rewrites to include elements of the show and made it more kid friendly.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I don't even know what the term, "cis het" even means. Seriously, when did all these new sexual orientations pop up? Was I always supposed to know about this?

What the hell is, "cis?" I'm being totally serious. Must me something from the tumblr generation.

Cubed, my man, as always, I am here to broaden your horizons:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...&defid=7390864

You're welcome!

[Commenter 42]

One of my biggest problems with 2014 was Mike and Donnie. 1990's Mike was great. Donnie is how I've always imagined Mirage Donnie to be -intelligent and inquisitive, but quiet and introspective; most definitely not "nerdy" and irkle-esque.

I love Paulsens Donnie in 2012, but only because in that dynamic, he works - they all work, except Leo...there really hasn't been a good Leo ever, IMHO. Turtles Forever Mirage came closest, for my tastes.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

I'd also opine that anyone reading this, right now, including cubed, probably agree.

Indeed.

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

First and foremost Sexual Predator!Michaelangelo needs to be called to the mat for his crap. By both April and his brothers.

Agree, I was surprised and disappointed that no one ever really said anything, just kept waiting for it to happen.

For April to stand there like a dimwit who can't understand words that are being spoken in front of her...

After seeing that small portion of it in trailers, I was rather disappointed when Leo said nothing after the "adult conversations" part, even though his expression did subtlety change and his eyes looked in Mikey's direction when those words came out of Mikey's mouth. (Though he made up for a tad when he does mildly hit him in the lair after another comment later. Plus, he is the only one who in the end does finally tell Mikey "she's not into it," but unfortunately there's so many other voices happening he's pretty drowned out...)

I really expected maybe the sequel would drop it, but going by the trailers... *sigh* Although the brothers give a slight hope that they might show a little more reaction this time. Maybe.

I'd like April to be filmed with less cheesecake in mind. She's a professional, let's start treating her like one. And hey, if you add in a couple of extra women for her to interact with, then that opens up the possibility of her being venerable without being just a damsel.
A Bechdel Pass wouldn't go amiss.

I'm still annoyed that they (whoever 'they' was) tried to say it was the "most feminist" film of the year. A year that had other films such as another Hunger Games and Divergent. Who in their right mind would look at 2014 TMNT when deciding that.

[Leo656]

It's pretty simple. People saw the thing coming from a mile away, knew it was bad, but "It's TMNT!" so they paid their money, and it made enough that we're getting more.

People stop being easily-manipulated little consumerist sheep, buying everything with their favorite Brand Label on it, you get less garbage handed to you. "But we went 15 years with no TMNT movies at all!" Yeah, and I'd gladly have waited ANOTHER 15 years, or 30, or 100, before I'd sit through sh*t like what they're pumping out now.

If you're the type of fan who buys anything and everything with a TMNT sticker on it, even if it's of poor quality, you're not being a "Super-Duper-Fan" you're being a f*cking mark, and you're actively hurting the thing you claim to love. STOP IT.

[ToTheNines]

I have zero evidence on this, but I get the feeling that most of the ticket sales were from kids. Not adult fans who know better.

[Leo656]

Someone had to physically drive them there 3 or 4 times and pay for tickets.

Also, several posters here (who at the very least CLAIM to be of voting age or higher) stated they saw the movie as many as 5 or 6 times. Allegedly, they had every chance to leave, they weren't strapped down "Clockwork Orange"-style or anything, supposedly this was a thing done on purpose.

So while I agree that there was probably a ratio of roughly 3 or 4 under-18 tickets sold for every 1 over-18 ticket sold, the truth is there's plenty of blame to go around.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

I have zero evidence on this, but I get the feeling that most of the ticket sales were from kids. Not adult fans who know better.

If only that were true. Lots of people felt that this was their opportunity to, "introduce" their own kids, to their new favorite thing...wink wink...

"Look Jimmy, you can play with these, but these we'll keep in the packages for safe keeping, and these over here are daddy's, don't touch these. Now play with these here. Don't you love them? Aren't they just the best thing?

YOU WILL PLAY WITH YOUR NINJA TURTLES OR NO DESSERT!!!"

[Leo656]

As if it even works anyway. My niece was half-obsessed with TMNT when she was like 12. Now she's 16, all "emo", and doesn't give a single sh*t about TMNT. And in-between she was obsessed with boy bands.

Kids are kinda dumb nowadays, they don't "get into" things as deeply as we did, they're too distracted. They're only casually interested in what they like, quickly abandoning one thing for the next; I find it highly unlikely that the current generation of young people is going to be as nostalgia-obsessed as we are. Any attempts at "indoctrination" are futile; they can be completely obsessed today, by next Thursday it'll be some other thing.

[CyberCubed]

I saw the movie in theaters, but its not like one ticket sales makes a difference.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

If only that were true. Lots of people felt that this was their opportunity to, "introduce" their own kids, to their new favorite thing...wink wink...

"Look Jimmy, you can play with these, but these we'll keep in the packages for safe keeping, and these over here are daddy's, don't touch these. Now play with these here. Don't you love them? Aren't they just the best thing?

YOU WILL PLAY WITH YOUR NINJA TURTLES OR NO DESSERT!!!"

Lol, sad. If I had kids I would have actively sheltered them from Bay Turtles.

[Powder]

A good friend of mine's got an 8 year old boy & 9 year old girl who ADORE the Nick series & they were absolutely repulsed by the Bay stuff. They didn't even wanna give it a shot.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Powder

A good friend of mine's got an 8 year old boy & 9 year old girl who ADORE the Nick series & they were absolutely repulsed by the Bay stuff. They didn't even wanna give it a shot.

I imagine my younger self would have been put off by the ass ugly character designs of the titular heroes.

Why did they do that anyways? If you're gonna go full on fugly, at least make them look like real turtles.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Powder

A good friend of mine's got an 8 year old boy & 9 year old girl who ADORE the Nick series & they were absolutely repulsed by the Bay stuff. They didn't even wanna give it a shot.

My kid doesn't even RECOGNIZE Bay Turtles. He knows Leo, Raph, Donnie, and Mikey, but he sees those toys and he's like "What Turtles are those?"

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Why did they do that anyways?

Wait, I know the canned response to that: "Because they're mutants."


Whenever "mutation" started to mean it's impossible to still be appealing - *throws up hands*

[Shark_Blade]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

How did we let the TMNT movie license wind up the way it has? It depresses me to think we're going to have at least 3 Bay movies and in a time when Marvel/DC are ramping up their movies we're stuck with...this.

How did we let this happen? We could have done something. We could have saved TMNT.

This is a blessing tbh. Be thankful and be grateful cubed.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Its not something I look up in general.

As far as I know there are only 4 sexualities:

Hetero
Homo
Bisexual
Asexual


Now all of a sudden they discovered like 15-20 more sexualities out of nowhere when there's only two genders of the human race.

Yes, you absolutely need to read more.