Good Genes

[iris]

Originally Posted by Raph's Girl

After rewatching the ep tho something occured to me.... Where did Don get all those resources to build the landing pad that comes out of the fraking water??? Seriously! He did that all by himself?!

Hahaha.... honey I spend so much of every episode giggling over all the stuff Don builds!!!

I think, despite what we're shown, his brothers MUST have at least basic mechanical skills. I mean, let's generously say about 6 months have passed in the show since the old lair was destoyed (not counting the 3 months in dinoland). In that time, Don has wired the entire lair for electricity (and yes, Mikey, you can plug in the TV now), doubtless built a kitchen and bathroom (and if you guys have ever done that you know how much work it is!!!), retrofitted a truck, rebuilt his lab from scratch up to the point where he is capable of running DNA samples (unless he sends them them out to a DNA lab, which is quite possible actually since it's about as special as ordering pizza these days), repaired a helicopter (which really for Don shouldn't have been a big project)...

*gasps for breath*

... built a variety of personlized and color-coordinated(!) Mutant Outbreak Containment equipment complete with massive amounts of tranquilizer (or whatever compound was in those vials), and possibly (unless it was already there) staged an indubitably elegant engineering project in which he constructs a self-contained waterproofed lair-accessible foldup helipad and tunnels under a river to install it (without, you know, dying and taking his entire family with him). Oh! And don't forget the new security system, which knowing Don comes with all sorts of secret perks. I'm sure that's not all either.

Most of this without April's help, and who knows if they've even been in contact with Case since the move. Leatherhead has helped at least with the mutant outbreak equipment. Leo (was it Leo?) knows how to fly the helicopter and that's no mean feat; it stands to reason he was probably at least minimally involved in repairing it.

His brothers have to have been helping him. It's just not believable otherwise (I would have said it's not "possible," but none of this is really possible!). Don is definitely a planner (he may not test all his designs, but he sure draws up some pretty schematics for them). He would have no problem, once he figures out what needs to be done, delegating work out to whatever victim volunteers.

ETA: Where do they get the money? That's easy. Don's an eBay millionaire and he had April invest in Google for him. Seriously, I don't think that, with all their skills, they need to steal. And I wouldn't be surprised if they've got a lot of friends in the city who they need only ask....

They must get the vast majority of their stuff from the scrapyards-- I think that's what Baxter's crack about the Containment Device was about, in this ep. "Amateurs!" Baxter WISHES he had the skillz Don has. That's another part that got to me in this ep... "so much for the intelligent turtle!" Grrr....... I was SO happy when Don totally thwacked Stockman across the room with the door of Stockman's apparently flimsy containment thingy. WHAP!

[Sakirules]

I'm betting the lost season will have all the answers for us.

Great episode. The shadowy figure talking to Agent Bishop looks like one of Shao Kahn's Shadow Priests.

[onyx]

Good episode, but it left several question, most of which have already been discussed here.

Another Shredder? THE original Shredder? Guess we'll never get rid of this villain in this show (not that I complain). Maybe those three that the Ancient One was speaking to are the original Shredder(s)?

Tell me something - when exactly did they get the hellicopter from Bishop? Was it shown or is it in Insane in the Membrane again? Damn, I almost feel like I have already watched that episode

Anyone else thinks Karai is under some bad mental influence? I mean come on, everyone would have taken a note after all she has seen so far. Could it be possible that the Mystics set some sort of spell on her?

[Raph's Girl]

Originally Posted by Sakirules

Great episode. The shadowy figure talking to Agent Bishop looks like one of Shao Kahn's Shadow Priests.

No....he looked like one of the Phantom Shadows from Scooby Doo:

[Anarchistguy]

Originally Posted by Raph's Girl

No....he looked like one of the Phantom Shadows from Scooby Doo:

Actually, a CRAPLOAD of villains in TV shows look like that, so let's just say he looks cliché as hell.

[Aska_Badoura]

Unless it really unleashed some superbugs on the world at the same time. omg... Ebola! ...kidding.

I'm not laughing...

That probably depends whether what your pondering involves a guitar and purple chaps.

Um... not really, no. :p

And I have the feeling they won't ever show insane in the membrane ever.

I hope they do... it'd be awkward, continuity-wise but I could deal with it. They may wait till next run. I'd be really surprised if they completely sensored the whole ep, considering what other things they've let go, and I'm sure the production team clears it with whomever is in charge of that before they even begin animating. I dunno what's going on..

after rewatching the ep tho something occured to me.... Where did Don get all those resources to build the landing pad that comes out of the fraking water??? Seriously! He did that all by himself?!

That's the first thing I said when I saw that. "Riiiiight. Come on, Donnie's brilliant, but you can only do so much on a non-existant budget, and only a handful of people to help you..."

No joke. Where do they get all of the money for all of that stuff? Do they steal? Well, ninjas are stealthy.

Heh, I think they're operating on the premise that Donnie can fix anything. Absolutely anything. And, every waking second we're not seeing him, Donnie is dumpster diving, or giving his brothers a shopping list while he works on what he/they found. My dad is a Mr. Fixit type like that, and you wouldn't believe what he's saved that people are about to throw away, thinking it's broken, and he just takes it apart, puts it back together and poof, it works fine! (Usually. Occasionally something really is broker than broke. ) He never ceases to amaze me. All Donnie would have to do is get himself into a place with lots of equipment and non-mechanical-thinking people who think things are unfixable, and he's all set. Getting it back home is the biggest concern... like the train car he aqcuired from Bishop.

2. "You are a pretender. Just like the Utrom abombination before you." and "You are not our master. We serve the Shredder." Or something like that. So why would they call their old master an abombination? Sounds like Ch'rell did in fact assume the identity of Oruku Saki a thousand years ago. That's just a theory of mine.

I did have the uneasy feeling, when I saw the creatures the Ancient One was talking to, that the Shredder was something completely apart from Ch'rell. They had the feel of really powerful entities, and the different-colored eyes are probably significant. Theirs were blue, green, and white, and with the addition of the Shredder's red... I don't know what it means, though. And there was that helmet in "Big Brawl" that still bothers me, and Peter Laird's evasive remark about it. I wonder if Ch'rell did something to that forth entity, trapped him somewhere, or took his power.. maybe it has something to do with the Sword of Tengu..? Oh! *smacks forehead* Or the Heart of Tengu? Oooh... I'm getting part of a theory growing in my little brain here! I'll keep it to myself, though (unless someone twists my arm ), I've probably mused too much already for comfort.

I think, despite what we're shown, his brothers MUST have at least basic mechanical skills.

We did see Leo welding in "A Tale of Master Yoshi", so he at least knows what to do with a welding torch, even if he wasn't doing anything terribly advanced with it. Raph seems to enjoy tinkering with the motorcycle, perhaps he's done some stuff on the car, too. There's not necessarily any evidence to back this up, but I think Mike would enjoy working on visual design (like the "Tortuga Bros." motif for the truck). His love for comics just kinda makes me think he's got a good eye for composition.

(unless he sends them them out to a DNA lab, which is quite possible actually since it's about as special as ordering pizza these days),

*blinks* Are you serious? You can't be serious.

... built a variety of personlized and color-coordinated(!)

As before, I somehow think Mikey may have been involved in that decision, he seems to like the super-hero-esque thing of everyone with their own special accessories and colors.

Mutant Outbreak Containment equipment complete with massive amounts of tranquilizer (or whatever compound was in those vials),

They probably told us in "Insane in the Membrane"... *grumbles*

...staged an indubitably elegant engineering project in which he constructs a self-contained waterproofed lair-accessible foldup helipad and tunnels under a river to install it (without, you know, dying and taking his entire family with him).

ETA: Where do they get the money? That's easy. Don's an eBay millionaire and he had April invest in Google for him.

LOL, I hadn't thought of that... it could be entirely possible..

They must get the vast majority of their stuff from the scrapyards-- I think that's what Baxter's crack about the Containment Device was about, in this ep. "Amateurs!" Baxter WISHES he had the skillz Don has. That's another part that got to me in this ep... "so much for the intelligent turtle!" Grrr.......

I thought it was just conceit on Baxter's part, but I guess there could be some envy involved there.. and it does seem like Don's containment unit was sturdier, now that you mention it.. hmm...

Was it shown or is it in Insane in the Membrane again?

'Fraid so, from what I gathered...

[VaughnMichael]

Originally Posted by Raph's Girl

No....he looked like one of the Phantom Shadows from Scooby Doo:

he very well may have...but for some reason knowing this show and how the writters are....I wouldn't be suprised it it is a Utrom or perhaps another alien.
Or perhaps even one of the Foot Mystics trying to get the Heart of Tengue away from Karai...remember they are crafty and they also said to Karai that she will be seeing Leonardo soon as she left the room.

Originally Posted by Anarchistguy

Actually, a CRAPLOAD of villains in TV shows look like that, so let's just say he looks cliché as hell.

as do most of the kid designers characters for this show....

Originally Posted by Aska_Badoura

I did have the uneasy feeling, when I saw the creatures the Ancient One was talking to, that the Shredder was something completely apart from Ch'rell. They had the feel of really powerful entities, and the different-colored eyes are probably significant. Theirs were blue, green, and white, and with the addition of the Shredder's red... I don't know what it means, though. And there was that helmet in "Big Brawl" that still bothers me, and Peter Laird's evasive remark about it. I wonder if Ch'rell did something to that forth entity, trapped him somewhere, or took his power.. maybe it has something to do with the Sword of Tengu..? Oh! *smacks forehead* Or the Heart of Tengu? Oooh... I'm getting part of a theory growing in my little brain here! I'll keep it to myself, though (unless someone twists my arm ), I've probably mused too much already for comfort.

ok see you are right I believe Spitfire and myself have been talking and we believe that the statues at the hall in the Battle Nexus are those shredder people I mean I can't see how people here want to so insane to say Shredder was not in the Battle Nexus at some point infact I believe he was the champion right before Mike was I mean how can anyone disreguard The first Ultimate Ninja episode he was coming after the Shredder and he went after Leonardo because he believe Leo killed Shredder.
Now if I think back to the Battle Nexus episode there are 3 statues and what did we see at the end of Tale of Master Yoshi? 3 dark Shredder Like figures...
I think that this story and everyone and everything in it is more closley knit then we think or thought it was before.
I'm glad Spitfire and myself are not the only ones to be talking of this all now..because before everyone dissmissed it as oh it could be anyones armour....I mean come on it's TMNT nothing is subtle in this show and everything is totally freakin' connected!
-Putrescent

[jeff the cheff]

^^ You've got a point, this show is nuts.

[Anarky]

Hey, let's overanalyze until the shows nothing but a scientific explanation where nothing is filed under "suspension of disbelief" or "cartoon". I mean, the TMNT are real and $#*/.

And once again, I'm thinking about my place in this fandom. I mean, is it really just me who doesn't want to know if red glowing eyes mean that the Shredder is evil and the pinkeyed Shredder part of a liberate-gay-culture-ancient-UFO-hemp-legalization-cult-society? I don't care, honestly. Shredder is Shredder, I don't care what he or she does or what the significance behind these acts is, I just accept the fact that he/she is doing it. You're seriously analyzing the bloody thing to the point where you kill the show... and then you kick the body around for a while until you all go on to raping it and then kicking it some more.

The last couple of episodes have been extremely painful to watch, since I always had in mind, what I would read later on. I knew that you were going ballistic over that three-fingero-saur and that the line about serving the Shredder and not some Alien will make you wet your pants.

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

I kinda feel you Anarky. I'm not realy into over analyzing the show, and picking apart each bit scientifically. I just enjoy it, but with writing like this show has, it's all well and good to make theories and assumptions on future events based on events in certiant episodes.

It's basically what being a fan(and a nerd, like me) is all about.

[Spitfire]

Yup. Putrescent is right. Him and me both talked about this a bit on Friday.

My reasonings behind this are the following
Shredder did not just learn those moves himself, and I doubt he could make that armor himself. Or build an army. Not as quickly as he did.

There are 3 statues in the Battle Nexus for Shredder, if Shredder had entered the years before how come Splinter never mentioned it to the turtles. But if he did enter and Splinter just didn't notice I doubt he won 3 times in a row and if he did I doubt they would make a statue for everytime he won. And as Putrescent said UN wanted Shredder for a reason...

Those 3 shadows seemed awful mad at the TMNT for never meeting them, perhaps because they helped banish Shredder?

That armor being on all 3 shadows tells me that they are apart of a secert clan that has been around for hundreds of years. Maybe the orginial Foot Clan. These shadows are the leaders, who were there before the Shredder obviously, now Shredder needed a hand. So I assume they helped him by giving him their army and the required trainning to smash his enemies.

Why I don't know yet and I havn't come up with a theory for that yet but the rest seems to make sense to me.

I don't consider this over looking anything. I consider this discussing something relevant to the show. Most people discuss stupid crap like "OMFG Don has teh hotz for April!" Yeah that's so much more justified then something like this.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by Anarky

Hey, let's overanalyze until the shows nothing but a scientific explanation where nothing is filed under "suspension of disbelief" or "cartoon". I mean, the TMNT are real and $#*/.

And once again, I'm thinking about my place in this fandom. I mean, is it really just me who doesn't want to know if red glowing eyes mean that the Shredder is evil and the pinkeyed Shredder part of a liberate-gay-culture-ancient-UFO-hemp-legalization-cult-society? I don't care, honestly. Shredder is Shredder, I don't care what he or she does or what the significance behind these acts is, I just accept the fact that he/she is doing it. You're seriously analyzing the bloody thing to the point where you kill the show... and then you kick the body around for a while until you all go on to raping it and then kicking it some more.

The last couple of episodes have been extremely painful to watch, since I always had in mind, what I would read later on. I knew that you were going ballistic over that three-fingero-saur and that the line about serving the Shredder and not some Alien will make you wet your pants.

I too can see your point, but I like to make assumptions as to where the plots gonna go and see if uit goes where I think it will or be wonderfully suprised at the other direction it's taken. I do get fed up with some of the over analization, but i just don't read it, and I had to sound all Mod-wanna-be, but maybe you could to.

[iris]

Originally Posted by Leonardo_Warrior_Turtle

No joke. Where do they get all of the money for all of that stuff? Do they steal? Well, ninjas are stealthy.

As for this episode, I'm glad that they are tying together Bishop and The Foot. I do have questions though that I hope the writer's will answer soon.

1. Who is the mysterious figure that appears to speak with Bishop?

2. "You are a pretender. Just like the Utrom abombination before you." and "You are not our master. We serve the Shredder." Or something like that. So why would they call their old master an abombination? Sounds like Ch'rell did in fact assume the identity of Oruku Saki a thousand years ago. That's just a theory of mine.

3. What exactly will the heart of Tengu do for mysterious figure? And what will the mysterious figure provide to Bishop in exchange?

A lot of questions to answer. And with only 4 episodes in the season left, hopefully we get them soon. How will this all play with Fast Forward? Maybe it won't play. Maybe it will connect with the Lost Season we are going to get on DVD in the Fall. Man oh man, the speculation is endless!

Really a lot of questions... took me a while to even think about all the stuff in this ep.

Is Mystery Ghoulie Guy part of a group we haven't seen yet? If so, what do they want? Bishop didn't seem surprised to see him, so how long has this relationship been going on?

Your idea about Ch'rell makes sense, Warrior Turtle. Who was this original Oroku Saki then, and what's with all this mystic stuff? Is the Ancient One connected to the original Oroku?

The Mystery Shadows that the Ancient One talked to at the end of Prodigal Son (right ep?) were trying to decide whether to let the turtles live (at least that's what it sounded like to me). Could that be because the turtles are going to take this Heart of Tengu thingamajigger and give it to Bishop's Mystery Ghoulie Guy? Are the Shadows and the Ghoulie Guy enemies? And if so, does that mean the Shadows are going to try to do something to the turtles?

Originally Posted by Anarky

Hey, let's overanalyze until the shows nothing but a scientific explanation where nothing is filed under "suspension of disbelief" or "cartoon". I mean, the TMNT are real and $#*/.

There is no scientific explanation for most of the crap in this show, and there shouldn't be. And yet, for some reason some real science got written in, so I was surprised.

Feel free to introduce ideas you'd rather talk about, or expand on others' non-technical ideas.

*blinks* Are you serious? You can't be serious.

Um, yeah. I am serious. <<< danger will robinson, science stuff.

[Doppleganger]

After rewatching the ep tho something occured to me.... Where did Don get all those resources to build the landing pad that comes out of the fraking water??? Seriously! He did that all by himself?!

Well you figure they have Zanramon's cruiser and the Foot copter. Some rube on eBaby probably paid a nice chunk a change for that stuff.

[R-iZZy]

Originally Posted by Anarky

Hey, let's overanalyze until the shows nothing but a scientific explanation where nothing is filed under "suspension of disbelief" or "cartoon". I mean, the TMNT are real and $#*/.

And once again, I'm thinking about my place in this fandom. I mean, is it really just me who doesn't want to know if red glowing eyes mean that the Shredder is evil and the pinkeyed Shredder part of a liberate-gay-culture-ancient-UFO-hemp-legalization-cult-society? I don't care, honestly. Shredder is Shredder, I don't care what he or she does or what the significance behind these acts is, I just accept the fact that he/she is doing it. You're seriously analyzing the bloody thing to the point where you kill the show... and then you kick the body around for a while until you all go on to raping it and then kicking it some more.

The last couple of episodes have been extremely painful to watch, since I always had in mind, what I would read later on. I knew that you were going ballistic over that three-fingero-saur and that the line about serving the Shredder and not some Alien will make you wet your pants.

LMAO!!! A-frickin'-men!

Seriously, it's just a kids' show cartoon, it's not like they put as much effort in creating complexity as the Saw movies have or perhaps V For Vendetta. It's a simple cartoon show who's main purpose is to attract a young audience. No kid will want to wrap their brain around something that's more confusing to them than their multiplication tables. Just let simple things in the show be simple things.

Anyway, this episode was great! Nice way to open up to yet another twist in this plot. And I guess the Foot Mystics are smarter than we know... seeing as one of the mystics were able to predict that the Turtles would find Karai before she finds them.

The Leatherhead/GameraDon battle was pretty good, but it could've lasted longer. And now we're starting to understand more of LH's past. Good stuff! Now he won't be so much of a background character! And I'm loving his new voice... it's sounds so much closer to the Lousiana accent now. Wasn't Leatherhead from The Bayou in the Mirage Comics? I can't recall...

And I'm getting sick of hearing these references to episodes that 4Kids! decided to skip. Ugh, they're starting to piss me off as much as Cartoon Network, but hey... at least they've opened up a path for the Turtles to relaunch, so I can't really hate 'em.

And man am I hurting by seeing Donny as a mutated turtle. But it's so cool to see him take everyone out! Laugh at his nerdiness again, bitches!

And I just want to finish this off by saying Leo's voice actor is probably one of the best deliverers (is that even a word?) in the show! I just felt Leo when he yelled at Bishop to not hurt GameraDon. I'm loving this guy's voice acting more and more as the season's progressed!

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by R-iZZy

LMAO!!! A-frickin'-men!

Seriously, it's just a kids' show cartoon, it's not like they put as much effort in creating complexity as the Saw movies have or perhaps V For Vendetta.

Something with complexity takes more then a year to write. Saw took about 50 days...further more if you think V is complex you need a Cat scan. Complex is something that is hard to figure out. If you can't figure out V then I don't know what to say to you.

[R-iZZy]

Originally Posted by Spitfire666xXxXx

Something with complexity takes more then a year to write. Saw took about 50 days...further more if you think V is complex you need a Cat scan. Complex is something that is hard to figure out. If you can't figure out V then I don't know what to say to you.

What? If it weren't for V telling Evey why he sent her through that torture/captivity scene, I wouldn't have figured it out that instant. Hell, just listening to the dialogue of the movie was complex enough.

And say what you want, I can guarantee you didn't know who the Jigsaw Killer was from when the movie started to when he revealed himself. Complexity enough...

And what was the point of contradicting my words? That was so besides the point of the post.

[VaughnMichael]

Originally Posted by Anarky

Hey, let's overanalyze until the shows nothing but a scientific explanation where nothing is filed under "suspension of disbelief" or "cartoon". I mean, the TMNT are real and $#*/.

And once again, I'm thinking about my place in this fandom. I mean, is it really just me who doesn't want to know if red glowing eyes mean that the Shredder is evil and the pinkeyed Shredder part of a liberate-gay-culture-ancient-UFO-hemp-legalization-cult-society? I don't care, honestly. Shredder is Shredder, I don't care what he or she does or what the significance behind these acts is, I just accept the fact that he/she is doing it. You're seriously analyzing the bloody thing to the point where you kill the show... and then you kick the body around for a while until you all go on to raping it and then kicking it some more.

The last couple of episodes have been extremely painful to watch, since I always had in mind, what I would read later on. I knew that you were going ballistic over that three-fingero-saur and that the line about serving the Shredder and not some Alien will make you wet your pants.

No Offense Anarky But Let The Kids Have Theyre Fun And Get Over It
You know what also it's all there no one is over doing anything you wait and see then I'm gonna come write I told ya so all over your head when your sleeping lol
and if you knew it so do the writters and thats why they do this **** cause we have fun it's like the comics you go omg whos that dark figure attacking splinter and everyone goes nutts and u can tell it's flippin rat king...
people go nutts for this crap it's not just tmnt...
you making a big deal of this is allot worse then people talking about there opinions and thoughts of what may happen and could be about the show..
they are having fun....I don't see what the big deal is...

[VaughnMichael]

Originally Posted by R-iZZy

What? If it weren't for V telling Evey why he sent her through that torture/captivity scene, I wouldn't have figured it out that instant. Hell, just listening to the dialogue of the movie was complex enough.

And say what you want, I can guarantee you didn't know who the Jigsaw Killer was from when the movie started to when he revealed himself. Complexity enough...

And what was the point of contradicting my words? That was so besides the point of the post.

please dont bring that saw trash in the house of tmnt lol

[iris]

Maybe I'm crazy, but I think TMNT is complex.

Originally Posted by R-iZZy

And man am I hurting by seeing Donny as a mutated turtle. But it's so cool to see him take everyone out! Laugh at his nerdiness again, bitches!

Tru dat. I feel sad, but he's so awesome!