Will Fast Forward Be the End of the TMNT

[iris]

Originally Posted by Tigershard

I think many people are underestimating the nostalgia and pop culture factor. Many people who are now young adults grew up with Ninja Turtles (as TMTWBR said), and I think they will go see this movie as something fun to do on a Friday or Saturday night. I have yet to meet someone at college who hates TMNT. Whenever people see me with my TMNT shirts, I get compliments and people start reminicing about how they used to watch TMNT, and who their favorite turtle was. I think this movie has potential to start a third wave of TMNT popularity, if the new toon counts as the second.

You know there will loads of people nudging their friends and saying, "I heard there's a new Ninja Turtles movie. Wanna see it?" And you don't get this picture from the big-budget advertising and celebrity endorsements many movies have, but simple word of mouth is an immense factor in box office longevity. So, in the long run, it depends on how many people you (yes YOU) tell the movie is coming out.

Speaking of college, the reaction at thte University of Maryland will be interesting. They play a bit of the TMNT theme during home games, and then everyone yells "turtle power!" And people think we won that basketball championship because we had good players?

Plus "retro" still seems to be hot for certain things from the past. Like TMNT. People who haven't been paying close attention --and that's most people-- will see the movie as a "return". Whether that return is welcome will depend on whether they liked TMNT before... and even if not, it will be a novelty. I mean, TMNT is fun. There really aren't that many movies about giant turtles who can kick butt... at least not readily available at a theatre near you.

[Tigershard]

Originally Posted by iris

You know there will loads of people nudging their friends and saying, "I heard there's a new Ninja Turtles movie. Wanna see it?" And you don't get this picture from the big-budget advertising and celebrity endorsements many movies have, but simple word of mouth is an immense factor in box office longevity. So, in the long run, it depends on how many people you (yes YOU) tell the movie is coming out.

Speaking of college, the reaction at thte University of Maryland will be interesting. They play a bit of the TMNT theme during home games, and then everyone yells "turtle power!" And people think we won that basketball championship because we had good players?

Plus "retro" still seems to be hot for certain things from the past. Like TMNT. People who haven't been paying close attention --and that's most people-- will see the movie as a "return". Whether that return is welcome will depend on whether they liked TMNT before... and even if not, it will be a novelty. I mean, TMNT is fun. There really aren't that many movies about giant turtles who can kick butt... at least not readily available at a theatre near you.

Yes, only YOU have the power to make TMNT successful. So, we need TMNT movie shirts. Wouldn't it be cool to get the Coming 2007 poster on a T-shirt? Or maybe combine the old series logo with "Returning to theaters 3/2007"? Maybe WB needs a street crew for this movie, that would be fun

[iris]

A street crew would be fun, but I have yet to see anything that would lead me to believe this movie will have anything more than the usual level of promo. That is, theatre posters, any press they can rope their actors into doing, and maybe some TV ads. *shrug*

It might be cool to have a t-shirt with something to the effect of "TMNT 2007" on it. (If you leave out words like "returning" it will never become outdated. For the chance that anyone will still want to wear it after they see what the movie.... )

But what people could do immediately is just make banners for their sites, put it in their sigs on non-TMNT boards, etc. Easy stuff. Like whoever put the movie poster on digg... the response there was lukewarm, but many more people know about the movie because of that. (And I'm still wondering who did this.)

Hehe... oops... way off topic now. :p

[Gary]

Movies tickets are only expensive when you go to the late showings. Otherwise they are around 6 bucks.

Unless Ghost Rider has a lot of hype, the R-rating won't help it much when compared to a PG rating. More people can get in to see it. People wanting to see the movie also depends on how well the tralier is made. If it looks incredible, anyone that used to like TMNT will want to see it, but that doesn't mean they will.

[OldSchooler]

Comparatively though, Ghost Rider was a very different demographic to Spiderman, Hulk, and the TMNT. The Punisher seems to have done well enough to earn a sequel and Daredevil (say what you will) got Electra and renewed sequel talks. I think Ghost Rider will find it's audience, just as TMNT will. I dont think a CGI TMNT movie is going to draw as many casual action movie fans as GR will. As soon as you see something animated in CGI, you can pretty much rest assured it's aimed at the younger audience. I can't recall the last adult CGI animated film (I mean totally adult - Final Fantasy only half counts).

[iris]

I don't think that people generally put TMNT in the "superhero" category. I think to most casual observers, the guys seem to be off in their own little cosmos where the Shredder lives, fighting their personal battle. That's just my gut opinion.

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

Originally Posted by iris

I don't think that people generally put TMNT in the "superhero" category. I think to most casual observers, the guys seem to be off in their own little cosmos where the Shredder lives, fighting their personal battle. That's just my gut opinion.

Well anyone who's familiar with the comic books and know their backstory knows theyr'e not superheroes, but to the general crowd who have seen the old toon think of them as superheroes(but for some reason they were left of Bravo's 25 Ultimate Super Heroes list, and yet Indiana Jones, James Bond, and the freakin Men in Black made it on there).

What I was trying to say is the TMNT have the nostalgia factor on their sides, which may give it a good advantage over Ghost Rider. Hopefully people who remember the old toon will go see it just for the nostalgia reasons. And when they do they'll be introduced to a side of the Turtles they've never seen.

[Ecto Jedi]

Originally Posted by ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael

What I was trying to say is the TMNT have the nostalgia factor on their sides, which may give it a good advantage over Ghost Rider. Hopefully people who remember the old toon will go see it just for the nostalgia reasons. And when they do they'll be introduced to a side of the Turtles they've never seen.

I wholeheartedly agree. Granted, nostalgia alone does not guarantee success, but combined with the richness of the TMNT property as a whole and the dark, action-oriented theme the film promises to exploit, I see no reason why the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles couldn't once again take the box office charts by storm.

[Sliced]

They really have to delay TMNT out of there. GR will eat it for breakfast. The number of people that I know who are waiting for GR is huge. Almost no TMNT lovers YET, and I insist on YET.

2 big blockbusters like that on the same opening weekend is devastating. One of them will drop. And I'm afraid that alot of people are gonna go see GR and then download TMNT. That will be bad. They really need to aim higher than kids in this. They say it will be pretty much as dark as the first movie ? Good, but they will need to go even higher. As we are now 16 years from TMNT the movie... Things have changed, I hope that they took that in consideration while doing it...

[Jester]

Originally Posted by Tigershard

Yes, only YOU have the power to make TMNT successful. So, we need TMNT movie shirts. Wouldn't it be cool to get the Coming 2007 poster on a T-shirt? Or maybe combine the old series logo with "Returning to theaters 3/2007"? Maybe WB needs a street crew for this movie, that would be fun

I'm just hoping that the 2k7 movie leads to TMNT 1-3: SE.

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

Originally Posted by Sliced

They really have to delay TMNT out of there. GR will eat it for breakfast. The number of people that I know who are waiting for GR is huge. Almost no TMNT lovers YET, and I insist on YET.

2 big blockbusters like that on the same opening weekend is devastating. One of them will drop. And I'm afraid that alot of people are gonna go see GR and then download TMNT. That will be bad. They really need to aim higher than kids in this. They say it will be pretty much as dark as the first movie ? Good, but they will need to go even higher. As we are now 16 years from TMNT the movie... Things have changed, I hope that they took that in consideration while doing it...

I see what your'e saying, but remeber TMNT has the bigger fanbase. It already has more exposure than GR, and you know Playmates, Warner Bros, and 4 Kids are gonna get all the exposure fror this movie that they can. TMNT has something on GR, generations of fans.

Actually, I may have been mistaken. GR is actually coming out February 16. TMNT actually has a very good spot. Right after GR and a month before Spider-Man 3.

In fact, by coming out March 30, it wont have to compete with Spider-Man 3, Hulk 2, Fantastic 4 2, Transformers, Shrek 3, Pirates of the Carribean 3, and the bound-to-be-huge Simpsons Movie. All of which would destroy them.

[iris]

Well, then, all we have to do now is pray for an on-time release.

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

Originally Posted by iris

Well, then, all we have to do now is pray for an on-time release.

I'm already on my knees.

[Gary]

Originally Posted by Sliced

They really have to delay TMNT out of there. GR will eat it for breakfast. The number of people that I know who are waiting for GR is huge. Almost no TMNT lovers YET, and I insist on YET.

Really? We must hang in different circles because I don't know anyone that even know Ghost Rider is coming out. I don't really know anyone that even knows what Ghost Rider is. But they all know about the Ninja Turtles.

[Bevandera]

Ghost Rider has less anticipation for it than Electra. It's unlikely it will draw much money from the TMNT movie.

[Spitfire]

The power of previews holds alot over anyones head. The Fansastic Four movie looks like crap to be but it made a good share of money in the office when it came out and held a weekend.

Ghost Rider may not have as big of a fan base as TMNT, and TMNT may be a kids movie. But more teenagers and adults will go see Ghost Rider instead which negates TMNT. Unless the preview for TMNT stomps Ghost Riders then I don't think TMNT had a fair chance. It's being made by a film studio with no rep that I know about and its a CG movie which most people my age and older think are lame.

Plus I read that most idiot movie goers want the trailer for a movie to tell you as much about the film as it can before they go see it. That is so stupid, they bascially want to know exactly what happens in the film before they go, ending included in most cases. People now of days are such idiots it blows my mind.

[Sliced]

I see what your'e saying, but remeber TMNT has the bigger fanbase. It already has more exposure than GR, and you know Playmates, Warner Bros, and 4 Kids are gonna get all the exposure fror this movie that they can. TMNT has something on GR, generations of fans.

So far I've seen some stuff on GR, teasers, trailer... But from the TMNT, nothing except some posters... I know that soon, 4kids and the rest of the gang are gonna put tmnt on the map and big time. But until then, its indeed our duty as fans to spread the words. And don't underestimate the fans of GR. As they are quite numerous in my area. In fact, so far I've seen a bigger fan base of GR than tmnt.

If indeed tmnt is coming out later than GR then that's it. We are saved ! if it has his own little weekend, tmnt will surely have a good week.

Really? We must hang in different circles because I don't know anyone that even know Ghost Rider is coming out. I don't really know anyone that even knows what Ghost Rider is. But they all know about the Ninja Turtles.

They might all know what tmnt is. In fact I don't know anyone who doesn't know... But are they interested in them ? TMNT is still kids stuff. Like I said, alot of fans are gonna download TMNT on the net instead of seeing it in theaters. Just because they are afraid to say that they love tmnt.

Ghost Rider may not have as big of a fan base as TMNT, and TMNT may be a kids movie. But more teenagers and adults will go see Ghost Rider instead which negates TMNT. Unless the preview for TMNT stomps Ghost Riders then I don't think TMNT had a fair chance. It's being made by a film studio with no rep that I know about and its a CG movie which most people my age and older think are lame.

You bring out some good points there. Tmnt will need a strong preview/trailer to draw fans in. It will unfortunately depend on their trailers... And youre right about the studio, and irs also a big risk to do it 3d style. Almost every kid stuff today has to be made in 3d... its sad really as those movies are most of the time just ''funny'' and nothing else. Tmnt would really be the first animated kid's movie to be serious..

Plus I read that most idiot movie goers want the trailer for a movie to tell you as much about the film as it can before they go see it. That is so stupid, they bascially want to know exactly what happens in the film before they go, ending included in most cases. People now of days are such idiots it blows my mind

Its of course the main thing that will draw peoples in. Looks good ? Lets go. But few are the studios who makes good trailers that are revealing stuff that won't spoil the entire movie. ''Too much is not enough''...

[AquaParade]

Even if TMNT and Ghost Rider were to come out at the same time, I dont really see Ghost Rider stomping on them at all. Ghost Rider is an "R" movie with not a whole lot of hype or a fanbase as big as the TMNT. I'm just really hoping the film will be at least as dark as the old film, if not darker. I think some of the older fans deserve something gritty to look at besides the comic after all these years of kiddie stuff. I have a feeling it wont be as dark or gritty as their promising I'm still looking forward to it though.

[iris]

Maybe it's just me, but I don't think that just because the fans are older they will want something "gritty" out of this flick. I know that goes with the "please be like the comic!" mantra though.

[jeff the cheff]

I don't know anybody who knows what GR is. In fact, I don't even know what GR is. And, I don't care...I think GR would be a good match for TMNT, and TMNT would kill it for sure.