NEW Turtle Doc Trailer is Up!

[Jester]

Yes, the OT, the thing that got most TMNT fans involved in the fan base, cancerous! Oye!

I know that the comics are the "real" Turtles, but it became a craze with the OT. If the OT never existed, I'm sure there wouldn't be 25 years to celebrate now.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Jester

Yes, the OT, the thing that got most TMNT fans involved in the fan base, cancerous! Oye!

You don't need to agree with a view to acknowledge its existance.

[Jester]

Cancerous: like a cancer; an evil that grows and spreads

Yes, it certainly was evil. Making a low key indy comic a house hold name, Helping it exist to see a 25th Anniversary Celebration. Damn that goofy kids crap!

[Archon_Turtle]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

And I'm not sure I understand how you could possibly think that concept applies here.

Erm....what? You don't understand that? Really? Ok. Baby steps then.

Originally Posted by The Internets

To "bite the hand that feeds you" is to harm someone who has been helping you. Example: "We treat each of our customers with the greatest respect here. We never bite the hand that feeds us." If you feed an animal and it bites you on the hand you will probably not feed it again. If you forget that a person has been doing something to help you, and you harm the relationship, you are "biting the hand that feeds you". Example: "We have been your best customers for years. And suddenly you treat us so rudely? You should never bite the hand that feeds you."

The hand that feeds (in this case) the documentary would be, in large part, Mirage. As they allowed usage of content and have provided aide and access on an unprecedented level. By featuring a significant amount of content that would portray said company poorly, they would be "biting the hand that feeds them".

If you're still confused, I can draw you a picture.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Disrespect? Disrespect, seriously? Please explain to me how a self-proclaimed documentary that, in large part, is supposed to be an objective (if played up in an entertaining fashion) look at the TMNT fandom is being disrespectful by featuring at least one or two of the many TMNT fans (comic fans, generally) that find the children's spinoff side of things cancerous to the franchise? Of course this could easily be counterbalanced with opposing views from diehard cartoon fans who either don't like or never have picked up any comics.

Oh, you mean the branch of the brand that catapaulted the turtles into the lime light? That made them a household name in half the time it took Coca-Cola? That generated billions of dollars in revenue and jobs? That inspired children to rise out of their ****** childhoods? That gave them heroes?

I wish I had that cancer.

Do I see a cancer to this fandom? Sure I do. But it sure isn't the old cartoons.

At any rate, he did interview Rose. So you'll have those opinions in the doc too.

[CyberCubed]

I wonder if TurtleDoc can interview a Lionsgate rep, and ask them why they skipped 3 episodes from the DVDs.

[Archon_Turtle]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I wonder if TurtleDoc can interview a Lionsgate rep, and ask them why they skipped 3 episodes from the DVDs.

I wonder if anyone will ever start getting tired enough of your attempt to invade every single thread you post in with talk about lionsgate to start giving you warnings.

I'm just saying. I believe this makes 29 threads. Are you on a personal quest to alienate yourself from the ENTIRE community?

[Jester]

To paraphrase Mikey:
I've said it before, and I'll say it again,

[Canadian Turtle]

I am afraid that I highly doubt Lionsgate will ever be interested in putting in those missed episodes. Nor are they probably even aware. And no, Lionsgate is not an interesting party to be interviewing sorry.

Kind of a dead horse thing I think...

[Jester]

A friend of mine mentioned that he wonders if Lionsgate just thinks they haven't skipped "Once Upon A Time Machine" since "The Turtles and the Hare" is on 2 DVD sets, not sure what to say on the "Planet of the Turtleoids" maybe they wanna release it as a seperate DVD set.

[JoeD80]

Originally Posted by Canadian Turtle

I am afraid that I highly doubt Lionsgate will ever be interested in putting in those missed episodes. Nor are they probably even aware.

Why wouldn't they be interested if it will make them money? They could have a bonus "lost episodes" DVD. I'm sure they're aware of it from the amount of people I've seen saying "write to Lionsgate about these episodes!" The problem arises when people write messages like "You suck for not putting this out! I hate you!!" If someone writes, "I have enjoyed all your releases of the TMNT. I look forward to Planet of the Turteloids as well as other future releases" they pay more attention to it. However, the issue may lie more with the contractors hired to put together the DVDs than Lionsgate itself.

Originally Posted by Canadian Turtle

And no, Lionsgate is not an interesting party to be interviewing sorry.

What does that mean exactly? That Lionsgate is boring when you talk to it?

[Canadian Turtle]

Sorry!! I didn't mean they were not interesting people. I was referring to the fact that in the overall story the company that distributes the material (and does not owned the copy right even for that matter) is not a very interesting addition to the documentary in my opinion. However some people might be interested in that as a section....

All in all, our project has nothing to do with lost episodes from the original cartoon. I am sorry I got into talking about it. I shouldn't have if it is such a touchy subject.

[Peanut]

First I've seen of this, and I gotta say, it looks fantastic. Very very well done. I'll be spending money to see this as soon as it's possible, DVD, online, at a theater, whatever!

[Canadian Turtle]

Originally Posted by Peanut

First I've seen of this, and I gotta say, it looks fantastic. Very very well done. I'll be spending money to see this as soon as it's possible, DVD, online, at a theater, whatever!

Dude great to hear from you!! I am surprised with someone with this many posts, how could you miss this? hahaha.

Everyone will have to keep a close eye out to the news. Distribution and release dates are to be announced at this point.

Thanks all!

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Archon_Turtle

Erm....what? You don't understand that? Really?

In all fairness maybe it's a bit more my disbelief that the man-crush you wear on your sleeve of the cartoon TMNT is apparently blinding you to the fundamentals of the journalistic integrity that should (but don't always, I'll admit) go into any kind of unbiased, objective documentary than it is any kind of lack of understanding on my part... but proceed.

Ok. Baby steps then.

Please.

The hand that feeds (in this case) the documentary would be, in large part, Mirage. As they allowed usage of content and have provided aide and access on an unprecedented level. By featuring a significant amount of content that would portray said company poorly, they would be "biting the hand that feeds them".

But as soon as you open the doors for, "We want to talk to real fans about what they think about the TMNT in a documentary fashion," there's a certain commitment to the truth, not spin and not propaganda by misrepresenting the actual fandom. You know... the real fans. Isn't that the purpose of including them? That many real fans may feel negative toward one or more aspect of the franchise vs. positive toward another, I'm at a loss for how this is "portray said company poorly." It's about the truth. Journalism.

And balance.

If you're still confused, I can draw you a picture.

Would you? I think that would help.

Oh, you mean the branch of the brand that catapaulted the turtles into the lime light? That made them a household name in half the time it took Coca-Cola? That generated billions of dollars in revenue and jobs? That inspired children to rise out of their ****** childhoods? That gave them heroes?

While true, many see it as a deal with the devil for the franchise to never truly be able to rise to the heights it could. I think these viewpoints would be fascinating to explore or at least acknowledge are out there, if only fleetingly.

I wish I had that cancer.

Be careful what you wish for.

Do I see a cancer to this fandom? Sure I do. But it sure isn't the old cartoons.

Cancer in the fandom? Who's talking about that?

At any rate, he did interview Rose. So you'll have those opinions in the doc too.

I think she's my only hope, at this point.

[Roseangelo]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I think she's my only hope, at this point.

Sorry, I didn't cast any negative demons out here. Despite all my feelings about the current state of the TMNT, which I think you all know quite clearly, I don't believe this documentary is the time or the place for them. There will be a time and a place to unleash hell, but there remain a few good reasons that it can't be right now.

I see Isaac's documentary as being a celebration of all that's been accomplished in the last 25 years, and most importantly, a celebration of all the people who made it happen beyond Eastman and Laird. The official 25th anniversary celebration (no, I didn't say 'it') clearly made no attempt to reach out to any of those people; a huge error on their part, IMO.

So yes, Andrew will likely find little value in the project since there's only one part of the TMNT his mind is open to. Them's the breaks, Andrew.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm OK with it being a celebration of all aspects of the franchise if that's what it's really supposed to be about. I just thought that in its inception it was supposed to be about real TMNT fans being real. All walks.

You know... kind of the anti-Fanatical, anti-VH1 deal.

[Roseangelo]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I'm OK with it being a celebration of all aspects of the franchise if that's what it's really supposed to be about. I just thought that in its inception it was supposed to be about real TMNT fans being real. All walks.

You know... kind of the anti-Fanatical, anti-VH1 deal.

I believe the way it's progressed will see fan spotlights be very minimal in the overall project, but Isaac can correct me on that if I'm wrong.

[Archon_Turtle]

Originally Posted by Roseangelo

I believe the way it's progressed will see fan spotlights be very minimal in the overall project, but Isaac can correct me on that if I'm wrong.

From what I've seen I don't know if I'd say minimal, but certainly not the 95% fan driven project that i think people were envisioning. Which had a lot to do with getting far bigger and better response from the professional community then they originally dreamed, I think.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Archon_Turtle

From what I've seen I don't know if I'd say minimal, but certainly not the 95% fan driven project that i think people were envisioning. Which had a lot to do with getting far bigger and better response from the professional community then they originally dreamed, I think.

I think that's it exactly. Which is understandable, really. No one expects Canadian Turtle and his crew to be like, "Thanks for your interest, Kevin Eastman and Steven Barron... but yo, I already have Jester and Archon_Turtle booked for 6 O'clock."

[Spitfire]

Several edits could be a possibility with all that extra footage. He could make a doc just about fans and one just about the people who have worked on turtles.