Karai=Miwa?

[Jester]

Originally Posted by Jephael

So what exactly are you hinting at with this awesome clip?

Nothing...just the "Karai is Miwa! Miwa is Karai!" made me think of it.


...also possibly that "KARAI IS A MAN!!!"



Just look at Tournament Fighter. (Seriously I thought she was a dude.)

[Jephael]

Originally Posted by Jester

Nothing...just the "Karai is Miwa! Miwa is Karai!" made me think of it.


...also possibly that "KARAI IS A MAN!!!"



Just look at Tournament Fighter. (Seriously I thought she was a dude.)

Now you got me thinking of that scene in Austin Powers.

"It's not your mother, it's a man, Baby!!!"

[changepas39]

I was thinking the exact same thing!

[Jester]

Originally Posted by Jephael

Now you got me thinking of that scene in Austin Powers.

"It's not your mother, it's a man, Baby!!!"

[TheSmartOne]

So I had a thought the other day... Nick seems to have taken the 'Karai is Shredder's daughter' route this time around, but the new Shredder seems to be far darker then the 2k3 Shredder- At least in the sense that as far as representation goes, we've only seen Shredder as Shredder- Full armor costume all the time, only brief close up's of his eyes and stuff (4Kids Shredder was shown walking around simply as Oroku Saki fairly early on. It's a seemingly inoccuous difference, but showing Shredder without the armour 'humanizes' him, whereas keeping him in armour/always in shadows really draws out the whole "OHSOEVIL" angle). So I'm having a hard time believing that Nick Shredder would have bothered with family...or even with adopting some vagrant child off the streets and raising her as his own.

So I'm not sure if it's been speculated yet on another thread, but what if Karai is actually Splinter's daughter? Random thought, but a few things stand out to me:

- Karai definitely has some connection to Splinter. Shredder says something along the lines of "You know what he's done to me. You know what he's done to /us/". He implies that she has definitive reason to support his vendetta against Splinter.
- There's a legit distance between them. Even 4kids Shredder showed something like SLIGHT affection for Karai. He at least trusted her enough to show her he was really a splooshy alien brain. He had Hun go in after her when she was captured by Bishop and he was ready to entrust the entire foot clan to her when he was ready to leave for the Utrom home world. New Shredder, on the other hand, just seems disinterested in Karai on a whole... We haven't really seen much of them together, but still.

Only downside to this theory is how the heck Yoshi would have missed it if Miwa wasn't dead. Even if she'd just gone missing, you'd think he'd have torn apart Japan to find her. But again. The series is still young, so this could be information we just don't have yet.

WELL, ANY THOUGHTS GUYS? I kind of get the sense I might not be the only one to hit on the "Karai might be Splinter's daughter' thing, but I'll pretend I'm not painfully behind for a moment and invite you all to theorize with me

[Jester]

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=41214

[grungethemovie]

well, i think the whole "don't care" attitude is because he's evil and a bad father
and i also think he might be playing the "splinter killed your mother" cause karai is not really evil and needs an honorable reason to be under him and his vendetta
maybe she'll go ronin on him when they all find out the truth (like, leave the foot but not affiliate with the turtles either)

[TheSmartOne]

Gah, thought so. I knew I was behind on something.

XD 'Because he's evil and a bad father"
That made me laugh more then it should of. But yeah, that's definitely the angle they're playing. Any 'fondness' Shredders' got for Karai seems like it's based on how well he could use her. But that's going to be an interesting plot bomb when it does explode. Not only is Karai going to have to deal with the fact that she was raised and probably has some affection for the psychopath who was actually responsible for all the stuff that Shredder said Splinter did, but she's also going to have to deal with deciding who the heck she is- She obviously takes some pleasure in the illicit. She wanted to steal that sword for nothing more then the thrill of it.
Plus there's Splinter >_> Who gets to figure out how to deal with all the feels of having a previously thought dead daughter rise from the grave and attempt to kill him and his new family.

[grungethemovie]

yes! exactly
quite an interesting character if you ask me
(i only find it weird how she was hidden up until the season break, which reminds me too about bradford and xever who seemed way more played before their mutation, which in the episode's end when it happens was so shocking - maybe because we grew fond of the characters - to be quite forgotten now, and fishface with mech legs was not as cool as xever - but then, bradford was in his coolest when he was in his "shredder pupil" outfit in his first appearance)
and since it feels i'm already off topic (and will this thread be deleted?) may i talk about snake, why would the kraang need a driver if they have human disguises - at first i thought that they couldnt drive - but they totally drive later on - and why was his design so uninspired (just like the fat guy that would become spiderbite) does it mean if a guy shoes up in jeans and wife-beater, he will turn into a filler mutant?

[grungethemovie]

well, since you edited, i did too, but the update won't show (since it's an edit) here's a post talking about nothing

[snake]

Nope, karai becomes neutral after she finds out she is miwa. It's probably the route there going to take,

[grungethemovie]

what you mean "nope" isn't it what we're saying?
part from foot but not with turtles?

and cool, everything just moved integrating in the old thread, sweet!

[TheSmartOne]

Yay for reviving old threads! And my bad, I should have done a proper search. It was late and I just sort of had a 'wait a minute' moment and got a little too excited with sharing.

I've noticed that Nick really seems to be trying to keep all their cards in the deck though. The pacing for the show is a lot slower then it was for 4kids, which is a minor detail I take a bit of issue with, since I actually really love how plot events in the 2003 version seemed to extend beyond their episode. Things that had already happened were mentioned, or referred to, or played a major part in episodes to come, and it was nice. It felt like the world kept breathing outside of the thirty minute slot you were watching. The 2k3 series had its own issues (they just decided to fricken throw everything at it. Time travel, space travel, no one ever stayed dead and heck, let's turn everyone into giant floating dragon things) but the plots overarched. Anyways, I'm getting a little off topic again, but the nick show isn't quite doing that so far. It's different, I guess, though I agree with you on how Bradford and Xevers mutations were made more surprising because of it. XD I think it was a nice touch to show how ridiculous Xever's mutation was. The turtles had a nice loooong laugh. Their mutations seem to make them all the more dangerous though. So far the turtles have had pretty major trouble every time they've gone up against their new forms and really only won with luck over skill.

XD haha, wife beater and jeans means instant mutation in New York! I actually kind of liked Snake, though as for the reason why he was there, it was probably to serve a plot point >> It probably isn't so far off the mark to say that the Krang do work with humans. They would probably have to, to go so far as establishing the world Genome project. Even Falco said that "Rockwell got some money from some shady business types". Falco turned out to be a liar, but he did get mutagen from somewhere. Snake probably served some sort of underworld function. The idea that he's around doesn't really strike me a ridiculous. Though Spiderbites was kind of pure episode filler.

But back to Karai... Cause again, distracted xD it's hard to assume what she'll do. Like I said before, just think about how mind blowing that would be for /her/. I think it'll (hopefully) wind up being a bit more complicated then "she just becomes neutral". Is she going to want a father/daughter relationship with Splinter? Is she going to push him away? Is she going to go on blaming him anyway, because it winds up being easier to assume he was at fault for letting Shedder use her, etc. We've only seen snippets of her personality so far, so anything's possible.
Nick came up with a really good plot twist. There's a lot of potential here

[snake]

Originally Posted by grungethemovie

what you mean "nope" isn't it what we're saying?
part from foot but not with turtles?

and cool, everything just moved integrating in the old thread, sweet!

I was answering the question the thread was asking, I wasn't in the conversation, so I didn't join in, so I stated my new idea.

[DarkLightDragon]

I'm just curious as to how Karai is going to learn the truth and what she's going to do after letting it sink in. Can't really picture her living with the Turtles nor staying with Shredder.


However they're going to pull the 'Yoshi is your real father' reveal convincingly will be intriuging to see.

[snake]

Originally Posted by DarkLightDragon

I'm just curious as to how Karai is going to learn the truth and what she's going to do after letting it sink in. Can't really picture her living with the Turtles nor staying with Shredder.


However they're going to pull the 'Yoshi is your real father' reveal convincingly will be intriuging to see.

Splinter will probably tell her somehow,

[Jephael]

Originally Posted by snakeweed101

Splinter will probably tell her somehow,

Does Splinter even know that's his daughter though?

[TheSmartOne]

He'll probably figure it out. Wasn't he telling April that he trained his whole life to obtain the sort of 'sensitivity' she had in terms of gut feelings? Methinks thi might be one of those times were it might come into play.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by TheSmartOne

Yay for reviving old threads! And my bad, I should have done a proper search. It was late and I just sort of had a 'wait a minute' moment and got a little too excited with sharing.

I've noticed that Nick really seems to be trying to keep all their cards in the deck though. The pacing for the show is a lot slower then it was for 4kids, which is a minor detail I take a bit of issue with, since I actually really love how plot events in the 2003 version seemed to extend beyond their episode. Things that had already happened were mentioned, or referred to, or played a major part in episodes to come, and it was nice. It felt like the world kept breathing outside of the thirty minute slot you were watching. The 2k3 series had its own issues (they just decided to fricken throw everything at it. Time travel, space travel, no one ever stayed dead and heck, let's turn everyone into giant floating dragon things) but the plots overarched. Anyways, I'm getting a little off topic again, but the nick show isn't quite doing that so far. It's different, I guess, though I agree with you on how Bradford and Xevers mutations were made more surprising because of it. XD I think it was a nice touch to show how ridiculous Xever's mutation was. The turtles had a nice loooong laugh. Their mutations seem to make them all the more dangerous though. So far the turtles have had pretty major trouble every time they've gone up against their new forms and really only won with luck over skill.

XD haha, wife beater and jeans means instant mutation in New York! I actually kind of liked Snake, though as for the reason why he was there, it was probably to serve a plot point >> It probably isn't so far off the mark to say that the Krang do work with humans. They would probably have to, to go so far as establishing the world Genome project. Even Falco said that "Rockwell got some money from some shady business types". Falco turned out to be a liar, but he did get mutagen from somewhere. Snake probably served some sort of underworld function. The idea that he's around doesn't really strike me a ridiculous. Though Spiderbites was kind of pure episode filler.

But back to Karai... Cause again, distracted xD it's hard to assume what she'll do. Like I said before, just think about how mind blowing that would be for /her/. I think it'll (hopefully) wind up being a bit more complicated then "she just becomes neutral". Is she going to want a father/daughter relationship with Splinter? Is she going to push him away? Is she going to go on blaming him anyway, because it winds up being easier to assume he was at fault for letting Shedder use her, etc. We've only seen snippets of her personality so far, so anything's possible.
Nick came up with a really good plot twist. There's a lot of potential here

Nick does have a slow and steady approach, but all those other elements you listed like going into space, traveling through time, going through other dimensions will all happen in time. Remember in the 4kids series they didn't go into space till the Season 2 opener.

It's part of TMNT lore and happens in every series and comic.

[TheSmartOne]

Nick does have a slow and steady approach, but all those other elements you listed like going into space, traveling through time, going through other dimensions will all happen in time. Remember in the 4kids series they didn't go into space till the Season 2 opener.

It's part of TMNT lore and happens in every series and comic.

I'm actually kind of hoping that they don't go crazy like they did in the 4kids version. By season 3, it started to feel like they were throwing every plot device and the kitchen sink at the series. The arcs themselves weren't /bad/. The plots were still entertaining for the most part, and one of my favourite episodes is actually the one were Usagi and Gen wind up in New York XDDD But what I mean is that 'Ninja Turtles + Mutants + Space" = alright, I'll buy it. "Ninja Turtles + Mutants + Space + Now they're in another dimension + Oh wait, no they went back in time + Another dimension FORWARD IN TIME + Hey is that Chtulu (Even though that was a rockin' episode)", Starts really really really stretching my suspension of belief.

But then again, I kind of marathoned the 4Kids series... so watching it all at once may have skewed my perception of how quickly certain things occurred.