To Anyone Who Likes Venus: Why?

[Gwydion]

Originally Posted by Bossa Nova

So, granted I've never actually watched NM, but when people are saying the turtles are 'no longer brothers', what exactly does that mean? Because going through this thread I seem to get the vibe that some folks feel like just because they are (what I presume to be) revealed as not being biologically related, that somehow their brotherhood is no longer "real"? What in the world does being biologically related have to do with being real brothers?

If I'm remembering correctly (take this with a grain of salt as I've only seen the first two episodes since I first watched it on TV years ago), Venus shows up and tells them she was mutated at the same time they were. As pretty much all the guys are interested in her from the get go and clearly don't want her to think of them as her siblings, Leo just blurts out, "Oh, we're not actually brothers."

Does not being blood related bother me? Not at all, but the way it was done felt like he was throwing their brother status under the bus just so she wouldn't lose interest. It was just a poorly written reveal, which isn't too surprising, frankly.

As for Venus herself, I'll admit I'm definitely not one of her fans, for a lot of the reasons already brought up - I was never a huge fan of the "permanent 5th member" thing, turtle or not - but I can see why people see potential in her character.

[Nameless]

In the TMNT movie interpretation it is stated that they are brothers. or at the very least Mikey and Don are half brothers.

After fighting the monster Mikey says something to the effect that the monster looked like Don's Mom. Don retorts back that "that would be his mom too".

[Konchadunga]

Originally Posted by Metropoliskid41

Jeesh the longer the thread goes on and he more new posts I see, the more tempted I am to pick up the New Mutation dvd, just to remember how truly awful Venus and that series was. So far Once been able to block out most of my memories from that show...I fear that my blissful ignorance is in jeopardy....must resist urge to buy Next Mutation

The good news is that it's now back on TV, so you can satisfy your curiosity without donating to an evil cause. Seriously, with Kevin Eastman admitting he loves Venus and the show being seen as legitimate enough to air again, I suspect buying this will convince them to bring her back.

[RaphAndDonnie]

Originally Posted by Metropoliskid41

Jeesh the longer the thread goes on and he more new posts I see, the more tempted I am to pick up the New Mutation dvd, just to remember how truly awful Venus and that series was. So far Once been able to block out most of my memories from that show...I fear that my blissful ignorance is in jeopardy....must resist urge to buy Next Mutation

Do you get the Hub? I suggest watching it there on Satudays instead of buying a DVD you're probably only going to watch like, once or twice.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Originally Posted by TheHeroTurtle

i have to ask, what is the big issue with liking Venus? i grew up with the original toon,movies, and comics and still like Venus, does that make me less of a fan or remove my fan credentials?

Not at all, it's just that venus is one of if not the most HATED characters in all of TMNT fandom, and for good reasons too. But Venus is not the casuse of Next Mutation's shortcomings' she is not the MAIN problem. The problem came from the fact that FOX KIDS interfered too much with the final product and made the show way too dumbed down for kids
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[Metropoliskid41]

Originally Posted by RaphAndDonnie

Do you get the Hub? I suggest watching it there on Satudays instead of buying a DVD you're probably only going to watch like, once or twice.

I do get the Hub, I didn't realize they were re-airing it on there, I may have to rewatch an episode or two just to refresh my memory on how truly awful it was. *shudders*

[ObiWanFan4life]

Originally Posted by Metropoliskid41

I do get the Hub, I didn't realize they were re-airing it on there, I may have to rewatch an episode or two just to refresh my memory on how truly awful it was. *shudders*

Well look at it this way, it makes you appreciate the new show more

[ryukenden]

It's on NetFlix. GI Joe: A Real American Hero and G1 Transformers is on it as well as the decent followups such as Beast Wars, Renegades and Prime are on it too. If those are on NetFlix, the OT and the 2K3 series should too.

Aside from the Turtles not acting like they should, I don't think anybody liked the iconic bandanas being replaced with do-rags and Mexican wrestler masks. In Raph's case, a tattered rag. Venus's braided ponytail style would be acceptable in the event of normal bandanas. I always did like them long like in the movies.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Watched it on NetFlix, Shut it off after ONE EPISODE. Jesus the costumes from the CHRISTMAS SPECIAL looked better than the ones here. And the terrible dubbing/voice acting makes it SOOOO much worse.

[Nameless]

Originally Posted by Turtles2k12

Watched it on NetFlix, Shut it off after ONE EPISODE. Jesus the costumes from the CHRISTMAS SPECIAL looked better than the ones here. And the terrible dubbing/voice acting makes it SOOOO much worse.

O man Please don't mention the Xmas special that thing still gives me nightmares.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Originally Posted by nameless

O man Please don't mention the Xmas special that thing still gives me nightmares.

Oh sorry.

[ryukenden]

Originally Posted by Turtles2k12

Watched it on NetFlix, Shut it off after ONE EPISODE. Jesus the costumes from the CHRISTMAS SPECIAL looked better than the ones here. And the terrible dubbing/voice acting makes it SOOOO much worse.

Sorry, but I beg to differ. The costumes in that horrid special were not even complete and they were obviously falling apart. They wore freaking socks! I'm not even going to get started on the faces.

The TNM suits are not the greatest but at least they held on together. Except of course for the hardly concealed eyeholes underneath the bandana's er do rags.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Originally Posted by ryukenden

Sorry, but I beg to differ. The costumes in that horrid special were not even complete and they were obviously falling apart. They wore freaking socks! I'm not even going to get started on the faces.

The TNM suits are not the greatest but at least they held on together. Except of course for the hardly concealed eyeholes underneath the bandana's er do rags.

Ok maybe i over exaggerated a bit, but they were still among the worst

[Plasticplayhouse]

Originally Posted by Metropoliskid41

I do get the Hub, I didn't realize they were re-airing it on there, I may have to rewatch an episode or two just to refresh my memory on how truly awful it was. *shudders*

dont waste your time. i watched several eps on netflix and killed more brain cells than if i drank a quart of everclear. i LOVE tmnt...i do, and i sit through a LOT of bad movies just to see the end, but i couldnt stomach the next mutation. it was that rediculous.



for me, I never liked venus. I grew up with 4 brother turtles and ninja master who's a rat. The 5th turtle idea as a whole is bad. The only 5th turtle that I liked was slash in the IDW comics. His story was well fleshed out and made sense. Tokka was meh, venus, and Kirby were both atrocious. The whole magical powers seemed very "power rangery" to me. I have no problem with female characters. April, karai...i love them! If aloplex or any of the new IDW mutants were female, I'd be cool with it. venus though was just a bad from the start.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Originally Posted by Plasticplayhouse

dont waste your time. i watched several eps on netflix and killed more brain cells than if i drank a quart of everclear. i LOVE tmnt...i do, and i sit through a LOT of bad movies just to see the end, but i couldnt stomach the next mutation. it was that rediculous.



for me, I never liked venus. I grew up with 4 brother turtles and ninja master who's a rat. The 5th turtle idea as a whole is bad. The only 5th turtle that I liked was slash in the IDW comics. His story was well fleshed out and made sense. Tokka was meh, venus, and Kirby were both atrocious. The whole magical powers seemed very "power rangery" to me. I have no problem with female characters. April, karai...i love them! If aloplex or any of the new IDW mutants were female, I'd be cool with it. venus though was just a bad from the start.

Amen to that

[ssjup81]

I still don't get the Venus hate. I liked her a lot, but the show as a whole probably wasn't very well-executed. I find Venus' character no more contrived than Mondo Gecko, for example. Well OT origin anyway.

I loved the magical aspect, as i was always a fan of it. I love that they introduced the other word for ninja, "shinobi". Of course, it doesn't mean female ninja, but meh. I liked the mature aspect of her character. I liked the fact she was female too.

And I guess I'm the odd one. I always viewed the main four as "family" but not in the blood sense. More like a clan sense and Splinter as an adoptive father as well as master to them, but would definitely defend one another through thick and thin.

IMO, Venus should've been given a better chance or more of one. Worse enough that a great character like Mona Lisa was dropped at the toss of a hat. I would like to see more female mutant characters for the guys to hang with or be friends with. Even Ninjara, though not a mutant, would be nice to see in a medium outside of Archie.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Originally Posted by ssjup81

I still don't get the Venus hate. I liked her a lot, but the show as a whole probably wasn't very well-executed. I find Venus' character no more contrived than Mondo Gecko, for example. Well OT origin anyway.

I loved the magical aspect, as i was always a fan of it. I love that they introduced the other word for ninja, "shinobi". Of course, it doesn't mean female ninja, but meh. I liked the mature aspect of her character. I liked the fact she was female too.

And I guess I'm the odd one. I always viewed the main four as "family" but not in the blood sense. More like a clan sense and Splinter as an adoptive father as well as master to them, but would definitely defend one another through thick and thin.

IMO, Venus should've been given a better chance or more of one. Worse enough that a great character like Mona Lisa was dropped at the toss of a hat. I would like to see more female mutant characters for the guys to hang with or be friends with. Even Ninjara, though not a mutant, would be nice to see in a medium outside of Archie.

PROBABLY wasn't executed very well?, NOTHING in that show was salvageable(excluding Scott mcniel) and what's to like about magic in a show that WASN'T BASED on magic

[ObiWanFan4life]

Unless this was Harry Potter(which this is NOT btw) a magic based character feels out of place

[ObiWanFan4life]

Also, why did the producers feel the need to make a girl turtle and make her a permanent member of the team? Even if she wasn't a love interest, given better dialogue,and made into a moreolerable character, she would still have one major flaw: The existencd of a 5th turtle would raise questions that destroy your spension of disbelief. Overall, Venus de Milo is a pretty lame character, in concept AND execution . And i NEVER want to see her again

[AnarkyLantern]

I don't like NM much- it's the live action movies blended with power rangers, more or less. The "we're not biologically related" I blame for turtlecest- I love slash but not cest.

I picture Venus as a gen 2 turtle- maybe the daughter of Raph and Mona Lisa, which is why she's named after art.