What version did worse?

[Yabuturtle]

Originally Posted by pferreira

I totally agree. I think in regards to the characterisation of the FW Turtles compared to the 4Kids Turtles it had to do with the production crew being involved with the latter series. Thy could write the 4Kids Turtles easily because they just came off the back of seven seasons of that show whereas FW Turtles are all from memory and their memory of the FW Turtles was probably that it was just a goofy show. They would have gone to Peter Laird for input on them and as he doesn't really like the Fred Wold cartoon that much...well you can see what they did there.

I agree. It's probably from memory. I'm not going to lie, some of the goofiest things have come from the FW cartoon, but there were serious moments in it, they did face actual danger. They didn't fight Care Bears villains, they fought world destroying vehicles, giant robots, ninjas, mutants and so forth. I know Peter Laird doesn't like the FW cartoon, but it doesn't mean he has to bash it either, to make the other series look better. Just depict them the way they were depicted, not make a mockery of them.

But others will say "lolz, take off your nostalgia goggles" I never had goggles to begin with. I see the show for what it is. It had goofy moments, silly stuff but good action, drama, and so forth. And they had actual personalities that were different, rather than all of the Turtles being cowardly idiots. I think the biggest insult is when 03 Raph saved them from being squashed by 03 Shredder and then, start crying out of fear and start hugging 03 Raph. Really? Depicting them in such a stupid manner is pathetic. It wouldn't be so bad if they actually depicted the goofy moments and things they'd do and did it accurately, not exaggerate it a hundred fold. But the 03 Turtles had annoying moments in the movie, too, like saying "What the shell" every five minutes.

It didn't really have the 87 Turtles do THAT much anyway except sort of fight and move the plot a little, but it was really about the 03 Turtles with the 87 Turtles being guest stars. It was really an 03 Turtle plot, the 03 Shredder was the main villain, 03 Turtles did most of the action and were the competent ones ect.

[Wesley]

Originally Posted by Netkeeper

I personally feel 2k12 is worse than 87. I'd much rather watch 87 if given the choice.

Originally Posted by Yabuturtle

I agree. It's probably from memory. I'm not going to lie, some of the goofiest things have come from the FW cartoon, but there were serious moments in it, they did face actual danger. They didn't fight Care Bears villains, they fought world destroying vehicles, giant robots, ninjas, mutants and so forth. I know Peter Laird doesn't like the FW cartoon, but it doesn't mean he has to bash it either, to make the other series look better. Just depict them the way they were depicted, not make a mockery of them.

But others will say "lolz, take off your nostalgia goggles" I never had goggles to begin with. I see the show for what it is. It had goofy moments, silly stuff but good action, drama, and so forth. And they had actual personalities that were different, rather than all of the Turtles being cowardly idiots. I think the biggest insult is when 03 Raph saved them from being squashed by 03 Shredder and then, start crying out of fear and start hugging 03 Raph. Really? Depicting them in such a stupid manner is pathetic. It wouldn't be so bad if they actually depicted the goofy moments and things they'd do and did it accurately, not exaggerate it a hundred fold. But the 03 Turtles had annoying moments in the movie, too, like saying "What the shell" every five minutes.

It didn't really have the 87 Turtles do THAT much anyway except sort of fight and move the plot a little, but it was really about the 03 Turtles with the 87 Turtles being guest stars. It was really an 03 Turtle plot, the 03 Shredder was the main villain, 03 Turtles did most of the action and were the competent ones ect.

I agree. The OT isn't as good as I remembered it as a kid, but seasons 1, 2, 7, 8, 9 and 10 had a slightly serious tone along with some other episodes in the series. I think the 1987 characters were protrayed as serious. It was just that a lot of the plots were silly. The cartoon was on air for too long, though, and could've been condensed into five seasons. I would have enjoyed Turtles Forever more if the FW Turtles were a bit competent. They said jokes every now and then in the OT, but I liked that because I thought it showed that they weren't afraid no matter what dangerous situation they were in.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by jenna

Don't get me wrong, neither are top of my list. They have their own brands of dreadful also, but... there are elements to both that I enjoy, whereas... Fast Forward - watching that was physically painful.

Fast Forward had tons of great episodes. Did it matter the animation was worse and some catch phrases were thrown in the mix?

I don't see how you can find FF painful and claim it had no elements that made TMNT...TMNT. Its an extended Turtles in Space arc. The Turtles fight aliens and have sci-fi elements in every incarnation.

[turtlefanforever]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Fast Forward had tons of great episodes. Did it matter the animation was worse and some catch phrases were thrown in the mix?

I don't see how you can find FF painful and claim it had no elements that made TMNT...TMNT. Its an extended Turtles in Space arc. The Turtles fight aliens and have sci-fi elements in every incarnation.

yeah, i really liked fast forward. Characters from that show are some of my most sought after figures.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

It wanted to be a box office smash hit, and it did.

http://i.imgur.com/IHHKT6h.gif

Box office money isn't everything.

[Metalwolf]

Originally Posted by CowabungaMikey

I personally don't really like TF because how they handeled the 87 Turtles, but I still consider it canon, yes.

Ah, was just curious. I'm used to 'personal canons' from being a Star Wars fan for so long (especially with it's 'tiered' canon levels) so I didn't know if folks were prone to accepting everything as canon instead of just parts they liked.

[1987]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

Stop being a fred wolf Buttkisser. 4 Kids and Nick Turtles are better than the goofy fred wolf show in everything. Again this is a thread based on Opinion. My Opinion is Fred Wolf did it worse. Now go get some Preperation H for that butthurt your feeling. Your crappy fred wolf cartoon was only created to help Playmates sell toys.

your avatar is 2k3 casey so clearly your are a 2k3 fanboy defending your precious 2k3 turtles cause they were the cool guys in turtles forever, cause it was their show theyre the best turtles ever in their universe. they knew they were going out being bought by nick so they wanted to take their anger out by using the ot turtles as punching bags to try and make themselves look cooler and better. so you can take your preparation h and....ill stop right there

Originally Posted by Metalwolf

Turtles Forever actually did the worst. No other iteration besides this has actively gone out, flop or not, and made mean fun of another version.

I'm not talking about a sly jab once in a while or a tongue-in-cheek parody, but showing the Fred Wolf Turtles acting unnaturally cowardly, goofy, or whatever, while having the 2k3 Turtles be the 'adults' that have to wrangle those silly kids. Fred Wolf Turtles may have acted goofy, but they were never that goofy.



And the worst of it all? This movie is only really liked by so many because it contains the Fred Wolf Turtles. It's the worst irony, the one movie that shows them in the least nicest light, being 'forgiven' for this major flaw because Fred Wolf fans are desperate for anything containing the Fred Wolf Turtles.

That's the other reason why I hate this movie so, other then it's crappy meta thematics and the introduction of a TMNT *sighs* multiverse.

i agree with this 100%. turtles forever was just a big slap in the face to the ot who made them what they are. ungrateful 4kids. i woulda rather them never resurrect the ot turtles instead of portraying them as complete idiots.

Originally Posted by Powder

It's a freaking parody for Pai Doth Noor's sake. People like it because it's enjoyable & pokes fun at the past, not because of some desperation. & I'm fairly sure the idea of a multiverse was played with before this film came out, given there were various alternate takes on the TMNT in Mirage lore.

its not just a simple parody poking fun at the ot, its a downright mean-spirited mockery of the ot just to boost the 2k3 show's ego as they were on their way out. the ot turtles were the 2k3 turtles's punching bag
in turtles forever.

i am shocked and appalled at how many defenders of turtles forever there are, how can you not see the harm that the 2k3 show was trying to inflict on the ot? i hate turtles forever with a passion!

[THGhost]

Definitely the FW and Next Mutation series.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The Turtles always have likeable personalities and interactions in every series except the 2014 movie and Next Mutation.

I quite liked Mikey from the 2014 movie, Raph was cool too.

[Leo656]

That might be enough to handle, maybe, HALF of this thread.

TF was fine. "Satire" is a thing and it was good-natured. Act your age.

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

Agree as well. Such disrespectful treatment. I'm glad that's the end of 2k3 series. Good riddance bad garbage.

NEWS FLASH!
Person Who Is Wrong About Everything Continues To Be Wrong About Everything! Film at 11.

[Yabuturtle]

Originally Posted by Leo656

http://www.sistersshoppingonashoestr...der-Sweeps.jpg

That might be enough to handle, maybe, HALF of this thread.

TF was fine. "Satire" is a thing and it was good-natured. Act your age.


NEWS FLASH!
Person Who Is Wrong About Everything Continues To Be Wrong About Everything! Film at 11.

Let's not exaggerate.

TF was alright. I don't despise it, but no, I can't say I like the way they depicted the 87 turtles. Aside from being out of character, they were idiotic and annoying anyway and didn't do much to begin with, even if they were in character.

If this was supposed to be a PARODY, it'd be fine, but honestly, I think they mostly forgot how they were supposed to be portrayed.

[Gunpowder]

I liked Nick's iteration a lot more in season 1 than I do now. The second half of season 2 was weak aside from about 4 episodes...but it's starting to pick up again now, I think.

Overall, I think the 'worst' version was '87, since it flattened every character and made the villains non-threatening. That was for the sake of being accessible to the younger demographic, and it was because of those changes (and the resulting popularity of the show) that TMNT's relevance has yet to die out. But I still consider the original cartoon the weakest...waaaay too much slapstick for my liking.

Also, I for one enjoyed the Turtles' personalities in NM. It was Venus and her "mind powers" that I didn't like. And in the Bay film, there wasn't enough substance to the Turtles for me to accurately say that "they got them wrong." I liked Raph & Donnie in that, and if they'd been given more time to speak, I probably would've liked them a lot more.

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

I'm glad that's the end of 2k3 series. Good riddance bad garbage.

Get out.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Seems like a lot of butthurt nostalgic FW fans hate 2K3 for pretty accurate comparisons between the FW TMNT and the 2K3 TMNT.

Ah, fandom... making fans look bad since Al Gore first invented the internet.

Reviewing this thread, it's kinda hard picking between the various terrible incarnations of the Turtles.

#1 Fred Wolf TMNT is a pretty lousy show to watch without nostalgic rose-colored glasses, but it created about 95% of us fans and enabled TMNT to endure as a brand. So I can't give it all my hate.

#2 Platinum Dunes' movie was atrocious, with a script that got run through a shredder (irony!) before a squirrel on LSD crapped all over it. But the four actors who played the Turtles did the best they could with what they had, and provide the only watchable parts of the movie. So I can't give it all my hate.

#3 Fast Forward / Back to the Sewers was the collapse and bitter end of what had previously been an awesome series and IMO the best animated version of the TMNT ever. But it did follow an incredible four seasons and one okay season, so again, I can't give it all my hate.

#4 The Next Mutation? All my hate. All of it, right here. Shame on you and your plastron cleavage!

[Powder]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

#2 Platinum Dunes' movie was atrocious, with a script that got run through a shredder (irony!) before a squirrel on LSD crapped all over it. [/B]

C'mon, don't give them so much credit. A hallucinating rodent could produce far more entertaning material than they ever will.

In fact...

Spoiler:

...one already has.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Powder

C'mon, don't give them so much credit. A hallucinating rodent could produce far more entertaining material than they ever will.

In fact...

Spoiler:

https://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l...egbeo1_500.gif

...one already has.

True, true... after all, Splinter was given psychotropic drugs and HE came up with a brilliant story about being a reincarnated Japanese warrior!

[Leo656]

Turtle Tunes is the worst ANYTHING EVER since the f***ing Grateful Dead.

[Yabuturtle]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Seems like a lot of butthurt nostalgic FW fans hate 2K3 for pretty accurate comparisons between the FW TMNT and the 2K3 TMNT.

Ah, fandom... making fans look bad since Al Gore first invented the internet.

Reviewing this thread, it's kinda hard picking between the various terrible incarnations of the Turtles.

#1 Fred Wolf TMNT is a pretty lousy show to watch without nostalgic rose-colored glasses, but it created about 95% of us fans and enabled TMNT to endure as a brand. So I can't give it all my hate.

#2 Platinum Dunes' movie was atrocious, with a script that got run through a shredder (irony!) before a squirrel on LSD crapped all over it. But the four actors who played the Turtles did the best they could with what they had, and provide the only watchable parts of the movie. So I can't give it all my hate.

#3 Fast Forward / Back to the Sewers was the collapse and bitter end of what had previously been an awesome series and IMO the best animated version of the TMNT ever. But it did follow an incredible four seasons and one okay season, so again, I can't give it all my hate.

#4 The Next Mutation? All my hate. All of it, right here. Shame on you and your plastron cleavage!

I love the Fred Wolf Cartoon but I don't hate the 03 version. In some ways, the 03 version is better. FW Cartoon is silly but it's still good to watch. It had some decent action, funny jokes, especially great 4th wall jokes and so forth.

I don't know why people think the 2014 movies was the worst thing ever. Strangely, I prefer it even more than the 2007 version as that had a ton of plot holes and out of character scenes and pointless moments but the 2007 version wasn't horrible TMNT 3 movie was far more annoying and idiotic to me. I don't hate Turtles Forever but seeing the 87 turtles' personalities extremely exaggerated and out of character is a bit distracting. Not to mention some major plot holes, involving both universes is again distracting, but it was alright.

Some might prefer 03 because it's closer to the comic, and it is compared to the 87 series, but that doesn't make it better just because it's closer to the source material, and the original is not always the best either. The comic is good but I don't think it's the best version of the Turtles. The only series I think that was actually bad was Next Mutation.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Yabuturtle

I love the Fred Wolf Cartoon but I don't hate the 03 version. In some ways, the 03 version is better. FW Cartoon is silly but it's still good to watch. It had some decent action, funny jokes, especially great 4th wall jokes and so forth.

I don't know why people think the 2014 movies was the worst thing ever. Strangely, I prefer it even more than the 2007 version as that had a ton of plot holes and out of character scenes and pointless moments but the 2007 version wasn't horrible TMNT 3 movie was far more annoying and idiotic to me. I don't hate Turtles Forever but seeing the 87 turtles' personalities extremely exaggerated and out of character is a bit distracting. Not to mention some major plot holes, involving both universes is again distracting, but it was alright.

Some might prefer 03 because it's closer to the comic, and it is compared to the 87 series, but that doesn't make it better just because it's closer to the source material, and the original is not always the best either. The comic is good but I don't think it's the best version of the Turtles. The only series I think that was actually bad was Next Mutation.

No, what makes 2K3/4Kids better is that it took itself mostly seriously, told a linear story, and wasn't in the 80s.

[Yabuturtle]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

No, what makes 2K3/4Kids better is that it took itself mostly seriously, told a linear story, and wasn't in the 80s.

It did take itself more seriously, but again that doesn't make it a better show. It's just means it's more serious. You could have something totally serious and be awful. Thankfully the 03 version wasn't bad. 87 series had some linear moments where characters would return and have two part or 3 part episodes but the 03 was more linear. It could be made in the 50s and it wouldn't matter, as long as it was good, but yes there are some dated moments there. Nevertheless it's not like the 87 was devoid of seriousness. There were dramatic moments, and people even died in that series as well. It was more humorous than 03 but 03 did have funny moments, too. Both series had it's best and worst moments.

[Wesley]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

No, what makes 2K3/4Kids better is that it took itself mostly seriously, told a linear story, and wasn't in the 80s.

Agreed. I still like the OT, but it's not as good as I remembered it as a kid. Nearly half of the episodes are still fun to watch in small doses, though, in my opinion, but it was on air for too long and could've been condensed into five seasons. I prefer 03, as it had better characterisation and story arcs. It was also based on the original Mirage Comics and has aged well. The OT had some good characterisation and story arcs in a few seasons like one, two and eight, though. 03 wasn't devoid of humour, though, and there was some comic relief over the course of that series.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by Yabuturtle

I don't know why people think the 2014 movies was the worst thing ever. Strangely, I prefer it even more than the 2007 version as that had a ton of plot holes and out of character scenes and pointless moments...

Look, I'm not going to pretend the 2007 movie is a major high point for the property or filmmaking in general. Its plot was definitely half-baked, and as a whole it needed another draft or two at the script stage to really come together. But it did have a plot, and it did tell a story. I'm still not convinced that BayTurtles had a plot at all. What it had was dozens of plot holes, contradictions and random idiocy racing around and crashing into each other at 100 mph, leaving a charred, ugly mess of a "movie" in its wake.