Did you specifically like the movie? - Page 4

*Utrommaniac* · 06-05-2016, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by neatoman

(Takes deep breath)

Human beings share a common ancestor with both pigs and rhinos, the problem is that it looked like this:
https://p2.trrsf.com/image/fget/cf/4...cience-div.jpg

Traits like the nose horns evolved in the rhino line, long after it split from the human line, so there shouldn't be a gene for growing nose horns in the human genome. And even if humans evolved from rhinos or rhino like creatures, pigs or pig like creatures did not evolve into something that could mate with something in the human line, they could only evolve separately. If what Baxter said was even remotely true, the theory of evolution would fall apart and we'd have to re-evaluate the evidence.

Thank you!

*snake* · 06-05-2016, 07:42 PM

Just got out of it. Ehhhhh not really. I was looking forward to the fight scenes but there weren't any good ones, which was a huge missed oppertunity. Bebop and Rocksteady were awesome though.

*IndigoErth* · 06-06-2016, 12:14 AM

Finally caught it tonight. Like the previous film, it's a mix of things I liked and other stuff being a bit "meh" (which I expected), but the like outweighed the not. Most importantly though I loved the treatment of the Turtles a heck of a lot more this time. (Sans the few Looney Tunes moments I could do without.) They finally felt like people in their own film, not sentient props just there for action sequences. And getting emotion out of them... particularly openly from Mikey and subtle from Leo (who I agree was a much better portrayal of him this time). Raph saying Leo doesn't know anything about emotions... no, look at certain shots of him, he knows a lot... he just keeps it to himself mostly, as is the Leo way.

No, not everything was the greatest idea or take on things, but credit for it's obvious better effort that was put into trying to do the right thing, esp with the Turtles, which was my biggest hope for it, so they came through pretty well in that respect. For them, yes. For some other elements, neutral.

Editor's Note Comics · 06-06-2016, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by thundermaster612

Hulk vs Widow was actually pretty different when you look at it.

I looked. Still looks like the same scenario. Tiny person running through a small space while a large (one could say a hulking CGI character) chases them, destroying everything on their left and right as they run right at the camera in slow motion. I call theft.

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*Shark_Blade* · 06-06-2016, 08:31 AM

How Widow suddenly fell in love with Hulk after that is just bizarre...

*TrickOrTreater* · 06-06-2016, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

How Widow suddenly fell in love with Hulk after that is just bizarre...

She didn't love Hulk, she loved Banner.

thundermaster612 · 06-06-2016, 10:44 AM

By dormant I meant inactive.
(IDK how you guys percepted my word use, dormant has 2 definitions)

thundermaster612 · 06-06-2016, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Editor's Note Comics

I looked. Still looks like the same scenario. Tiny person running through a small space while a large (one could say a hulking CGI character) chases them, destroying everything on their left and right as they run right at the camera in slow motion. I call theft.

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hrmmm. It looks similar but different (in my view, don't go crazy)

*TigerClaw* · 06-06-2016, 10:47 AM

Here's a featurette talking about the motion capture.

*TigerClaw* · 06-06-2016, 11:01 AM

*RaphaelinSTL* · 06-06-2016, 11:03 AM

Hey guys! Boy, it's been awhile since I post in the forums...but with a new TMNT film out in theaters, figured it's a better time now than ever to write about my thoughts on the new movie.

Welp. It's better than the 2014 movie, but a root canal is a much more enjoyable experience than that film.

This new movie is once again clunky, disjointed, flimsy and riddled with plot holes and an odd fast storytelling pace that ultimately leaves you with a incredibly hollow experience. As the surface level fan service stuff started appearing in the first half of the film, I was finding myself getting a little invested in what was going on but as the film continued and the story kept revealing itself I was totally out of the film entirely by the climax. Sure, it was incredible to see

Spoiler:

. Rocksteady and Bebop were okay additions, though they ultimately didn't add much to the film by the end and Casey Jones honestly could've been written out of the film entirely and wouldn't have changed any aspect of the story.

The Turtles themselves were....okay....the designs are sleeker and they didn't have as many obnoxious accessories as the first movie, but I still don't get the connection with them as characters like I have so many times before in different kinds of media. Hell, I feel more connected to the Turtles in "We Wish You A Turtle Christmas" compared to these Platinum Dunes films...at least in the Christmas special they involved Splinter more. Michelangelo isn't as creepy, borderline bro-rape as he was in the first film so that's a major approvement but he still is portrayed as a bumbling goof and I wish that the creative people behind this understood how to make Mikey seem less like the butt of jokes as the one who f***s up all the time. Raphael, my favorite Ninja Turtle, is once again portrayed as "HEY DUDE, I'VE GOT THE ANGER ISSUES THAT'S WHY I'M BORDERLINE HULK LOOKIN IN SIZE" that I hated from the first movie. I feel so disconnected from Raph as a character on screen that I have a hard time looking at him and thinkin "Oh yeah, that's my favorite Ninja Turtle." Leo is WAY better than this without Knoxville and Don was decent as well. They were on point as far as I'm concerned...but jesus, these "fight scenes" were almost as not existent as the 2007 film. I shouldn't thinking to myself "Oh yeah, Raphael has sais" when he brings them out for the first time in the movie.....about an HOUR into the film.

The movie is just boring. If you had fun with it...that's fine, but good lord it's just an overall boring mess of Michael Bay troupes you've seen time and time again. People defend this and say it's an appropriate tribute to the 1987 series, but this is just something else entirely that's filled with characters you remember from that series...and not having done any justice to.

I really hope this film continues to have slower box office numbers as maybe we'll get an eventual reboot in the next five years or so. This series just isn't working.

Editor's Note Comics · 06-06-2016, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by thundermaster612

hrmmm. It looks similar but different (in my view, don't go crazy)

It's the Internet. If we disagree, I think we have to declare some kind of blood vengeance?

Technogeek29 · 06-06-2016, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Editor's Note Comics

It's the Internet. If we disagree, I think we have to declare some kind of blood vengeance?

Editor's and Thunder blood feud begins. Now they must raise minions or children and have them fight for eons.

thundermaster612 · 06-06-2016, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Technogeek29

Editor's and Thunder blood feud begins. Now they must raise minions or children and have them fight for eons.

ehm... okay I suppose. Am I supposed to insult him or something? okay um, yo mamas so fat she had you and lost all of it?

**** it

*IndigoErth* · 06-06-2016, 03:18 PM

So... the dormant genes thing.

If Bebop and Rocksteady turned into those humanoid animals based on their genetics (was it really so hard to just incorporate that DNA into an experiments instead of just shooting darts at them for unknown results?), uh, about the Turtles.

Was never said (I kind of expected it, but then again I should know better not to expect clarifying logical things to be included/said), but I guess this pretty much implied then that the Turtles, like 2012, kind of now have to have human DNA in there somewhere? (But in their case not really dormant... maybe the new mutagen just makes it take over.)

Not to mention hot plane equaled sweaty Turtles - you boys aren't all reptile... (Poor "Monkey Turtle."

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*neatoman* · 06-06-2016, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by IndigoErth

So... the dormant genes thing.

If Bebop and Rocksteady turned into those humanoid animals based on their genetics (was it really so hard to just incorporate that DNA into an experiments instead of just shooting darts at them for unknown results?), uh, about the Turtles.

Was never said (I kind of expected it, but then again I should know better not to expect clarifying logical things to be included/said), but I guess this pretty much implied then that the Turtles, like 2012, kind of now have to have human DNA in there somewhere? (But in their case not really dormant... maybe the new mutagen just makes it take over.)

Not to mention hot plane equaled sweaty Turtles - you boys aren't all reptile... (Poor "Monkey Turtle."

)

Spot on, I guess the writers thought turtles evolved from humans as well? Which is actually even dumber because at least rhinos, pigs and humans are all mammals... And it's been proven that turtles evolved long before mammals.

Honestly, why didn't they just mutate a pair of abducted zoo animals instead, wouldn't that have been a far easier and less moronic? I know having them start out as humans made it more accurate to the cartoon but does anyone honestly care about what Bebop and Rocksteady were before their mutation?

Technogeek29 · 06-06-2016, 04:31 PM

Alright collected my thoughts so here go I'll put a spoiler tag in case you still want to see this movie.

Spoiler:

The movie starts out with the Turtles sitting on top of Empire city Raph and Leo are sitting the highest, remember this it's important for later. As they jump down I already begun rolling my eyes with how dumb they want to portray Mikey in this version, "I thought you said squirrel formation" welp you already opening on a dumb weak joke? We're not off to a good start but let's continue, as they jump down the building I must abandon everything I've ever learn about physics with how much they spit in it's face. Velocity, gravity? Who cares I look good sliding on my brothers shell as he somehow got enough speed from the angle he was falling to even do such a thing. When the Turtles finally make it to the Basketball game they see Vern taking credit for defeating Shredder in the last movie, this would be fine if the Turtles didn't get upset that he is taking all the credit when they themselves asked him to!!! If they had just got simply got annoyed by his obnoxious behavior that scene could've been saved. But give credit were credit is due, the Turtles mimicking a falcon to mock Vernon's new nick name is in character for them and a juvenile teenager thing to do.

Next scene is with April meeting Baxter and when he starts speaking and says things like "As much I would like to be someone that a girl like you would recognize. I can assure you, you don't know who I am" I had hope for this character he is not recognize for his accomplishments so he assumes people think less of him from the get go. If this was explored more he could've been a interesting villain for this movie. And he is an awkward dork about getting praise the seeds were there. Unfortunately this is a barren wasteland and not a plot of land with rich soil so his character doesn't get better after introduction. April started off good flirting with Baxter to lower his guard and get in his good graces, but snowball's by becoming eye candy within 3 minutes in her introduction scene so yay for that.

And the pizza slipped scene could've been cut altogether and the movie would've been better for it.

Next is the parade scene honestly besides the product placement of Bumblebee this scene is fine. Showing that Mikey wants to join society. Should've been longer and have Mikey get a swelled head and make him think humans would give him a chance. Would've made another scene have a lot more impact. So off to the prison we see Shredder being escorted to a transportation van with Bebop and Rocksteady joining him. Casey gets his introduction scene and as a easter egg says "Lawbreaker" to Shredder. I like that Casey mentions he uses hockey as a means to control his anger it falls flat because we never see that berserk-er rage Casey is known for but I digress. Bebop and Rocksteady start trying to make nice with Shredder to which he ignore's them this scene is another good one not perfect but good. Casey makes another crack at Shredder and he turns around and smiles "Or not" which is the last awesome thing he'll be doing in this movie. The chase scene has been played to death over the web so I'm just going to skip it and go to the next scene.

Krang happen to be teleporting Shredder the same time Baxter was because......Anyway Krang shows up and instantly just trash talks Shredder does nothing to gain his trust just treats him like garbage then promise him power and Shredder just goes along with it like a dunce. Next scene with Casey has him explaining to the chief of police what happen mentioning seeing Turtles and the truck which no one seems to have seen? It sticks out like a sore thumb the broken nunchunk arms left behind or the various other cops who were there who could tell you about what they saw adding credibility to Casey's story but no have to shoehorned why he becomes a vigilante. Casey also summarizes that Bebop and Rocksteady are dumb enough to go back to there favorite bar but apparently the NYPD can't come to that conclusion themselves. So back to TCRI (Should've been Stocktronics but whatever) we see that Shredder begins transforming Bebop and Rocksteady with April watching as she just strolls leisurely inside a research building (where is the security?) she waltz just right in and steal the purple ooze and runs out almost 2 blocks down the street before train assassins catch her and is saved by Casey who doing rather impressive for a guy who jut started using sports gear as a weapon. Wait let me clarify uses Sport gear no plural just the hockey stick like I predicted he would. So drawn out fight scene ensues until the cops show up and don't pursue the Masked vigilante or the woman being chased by an assassin but instead pick up the glowing ooze dropped during the fight. The Turtles meet Casey and screw with him for a bit in both the streets and the lair. Casey understandably gets fed up with it and tries to leave until he see's the garbage truck and realize that these guys tried to help him the previous night. But what a minute you told the cops previously that you saw Turtles driving a truck and you couldn't put two and two together to realize that maybe, just maybe. These are the same Turtles?

Technogeek29 · 06-06-2016, 04:32 PM

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Donnie finds out the the mutagen can revert them back to normal and goes and tells Leo who immediately shuts down the idea saying it would cause disorder in the team. Mikey over hears this and tells Raph who confronts Leo on the issue, after a short verbal spat, Donnie tells Leo that Shredder is at the museum stealing a piece of technology that Krang needs to power his teleporter He benches Raph and Mikey and we shoehorn in more Mikey is the "dumb one" jokes into the movie. At the museum Shredder just waltzes in, again a place with no security of any kind and just steals the piece he needs. No alarms no anything, why is this a trend? Shredder tells Bebop & Rocksteady that they are going to Brazil to which Bebop responds "My speedo is already packed." Why would he say that? They are going into the forest not the river, it's like they wrote that and didn't realize what it implied.

Raph convinces April and Casey to help them break into Police headquarters while Mikey munches on Pizza like a moron and keeps saying "Are we doing something?" Nick Mikey is no longer the dumbest incarnation of Michelangelo. So they go and grab Vern to be a distraction as Casey and April go in disguise. Mikey and Raph are climbing through the vents and Raph gets stuck because he is too big (movie don't highlight how big they are that is a source of ridicule from fans and you making a joke about it doesn't land you in there good graces) So comedic moments aside they find that the Foot have beat them there and are stealing the ooze and just make a mad dash out of the building Mikey calls Leo & Don and let them know they are at police headquarters and the foot are stealing the ooze. Mikey and Raph burst out of the vent and chase down the two Foot Ninja and Leo and Don burst through the flipping front door glass (so much for stealth) and the cops come and tell the Turtles to freeze. Here everyone has/should various reactions upon seeing them. But instead it's just one random guy screaming "they're monsters" and Mikey getting sad which would've been more effective to have this scene after establishing Mikey was getting carried away with his involvement with humans. But it doesn't happen so this is just a shallow attempt at character depth. When they get back to the Lair Leo calls Raph out on his crap and how he screwed everything up, which is hypocritical because him lying is the reason this happens in the first place and Splinter doesn't call Leo out on it making him seem like a bigger dick than the actual dick. Oh and Mikey is sad and Splinter consoles him 2 minutes later he is fine and that ends his character arc. No seriously that's it no more Mikey wanting to fit in, he's back to is status quo in this movie as the "dumb one." Donnie tracks down the mutagen in Bebop and Rocksteady and finds out they are in Brazil Don's role in this movie is just to keep the plot rolling and nothing else.

Casey and April are being interrogated at the station by the Chief of police and this scene is almost entirely pointless. Cut to next scene Bebop and Rocksteady are in the Amazon with a freaking tank blarring music and knocking down trees (Again where is the security?) So they find next peice and shoot a shell at it, this somehow doesn't destroy it but whatever next scene. Baxter is talking about how famous he'll be after everything goes according to plan and Shredder glares at him which silences him enjoy it's the only subtle thing in this movie. Turtles are sitting in the cargo bay and Don see's that they are passing over The Foot's plane so they have to jump to it which Raph gets scared about...Ok hold on he might just be afraid of skydiving understandable. Except the movie clarifies he is afraid of "heights" You're telling me all the times he jump from high buildings no problem but now all of a sudden he is afraid? This is just for that dumb window splat joke, Yadda, yadda, yadda the Turtles get inside the plane and see Bebop and Rocksteady. Easter Egg to the red sky and OT. Raph spins Rocksteady around then throws him while Rocksteady screams "Momma" Rocksteady climbs in the tank and shoot it apart miraculously missing the pilots. And who happen to be wearing chutes good for them. The Plane crashes into the river where the rest of the fight continue's this is almost a repeat of the snow scene from the first movie. The Turtles fail to stop Bebop and Rocksteady and go over a waterfall.

Back to the Station Casey and April are still being question after getting nowhere she eventually leaves but not before calling Casey a loser. now here Casey seems like he about to spill his guts on why he is so angry that everyone calls him a loser even his family. No that would've been the right thing to do. Instead Casey pickpockets the Chief's phone and April calls Veron to have him break into TCRI and steal a surveillance footage. The next scene is completely comedic but it's fine it's suppose to give you a break from the action no problems here. Vernon shows the chief the video and she just let's them go. Doesn't even question them anymore about their involvement with the whole thing. The portal opens and the Technodrome begins to form in the sky, here Baxter is betrayed by Shredder and isn't seen for the rest of the movie. Shredder activates his teleporter given to him by Baxter and meets with Krang who betrays him and locks him a cage frozen. And isn't seen for the rest of the movie...Hmm

When we see the Turtles again Don is able to hack into the alien technology and find out it's a war machine named the Technodrome because...Magic? I dunno he can do anything apparently even the cartoons aren't this absurd in leaps of logic. Leo points out that they can't go outside with the cops hunting them and Don brings the purple Ooze back into the equation. Raph and Mikey change their minds about wanting to be humans now, did I miss a scene? When did they change their minds? Whatever let's continue Raph smashes the ooze and the next scene is the Turtles meeting with the entire NYPD. I would think the giant floating war machine in the sky take presidency over 4 mutants you aren't even sure are evil but I digress. The TMNT team up with the Police to stop the Technodrome or more accurately get a lift from them because their cooperation ends there. While Casey, April and Vern go after the beacon keeping the portal open.

The Turtles get to the top and are once again jumping off a really tall building onto a moving object (Raph aren't you afraid of heights?) Caseyh and the rest get to the warehouse where the beacon is located and sneak right- wait what? Oh now there's security? What the hell movie? So Bebop and Rocksteady are doing security and Casey tells Vernon and April to get to the beacon while he distracts them. April and Vern run into Karai (who might as well have been cut entirely) And Karai a high ranking member in the Foot Clan is struggling with two civilians who go down like a sack of potatoes with one hit. Why is she struggling? Just Katana swipe them both and call it a day or never use the damn thing and get thrown against the wall and get knocked unconscious, that works too.

Casey is getting ragged dolled by Bebop and Rocksteady until he locks them into a frigate box and blows them up with a grenade which doesn't beat them they just make a joke like someone farted. The Turtles are fighting Krang and thankfully this isn't as one sided as the first movie Shredder fight was. It is however just as boring and Donnie says the Technodrome will be complete in 90 sec- wait haven't we done this before? Anyway the Turtles disable Krang April and co destroy the Beacon and the movie is over with Krang doing some obvious sequel bating. Cut to nighttime in front of the Statue of liberty the police are awarding the Turtles with keys to the city they make a joke about their last names. And the movie ends with the Turtles sitting on top of the Statue of Liberty. Careful Raph you might fall.

Overall 3/10 still has many narrative problems which what I always look for first in anything but thankfully focuses more on the Turtles this time.

*IndigoErth* · 06-06-2016, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by neatoman

Spot on, I guess the writers thought turtles evolved from humans as well? Which is actually even dumber because at least rhinos, pigs and humans are all mammals... And it's been proven that turtles evolved long before mammals.

Honestly, why didn't they just mutate a pair of abducted zoo animals instead, wouldn't that have been a far easier and less moronic? I know having them start out as humans made it more accurate to the cartoon but does anyone honestly care about what Bebop and Rocksteady were before their mutation?

Or at the very least get DNA from those animals to lace the mutagen with and Shredder can just be like, "Krang told me how to do this." (Because otherwise "too complicated.")

Turtles and humans... Well, we're all vertebrates, still share much of the same basic body plan, and share ancestors if you go WAYYY back, but, yeah, that's going to require a Delorean (or Renet) to get human DNA into turtles. Not to mention B & R had separate animals in their DNA, so you need to make absolutely certain that you get it into OUR Turtles' exact ancestors.

If a third film happened and delved into that again, a simple enough answer could be that the Turtles were also a little bit of a genetic experiment, since the original mutagen was intended for human use, 'so something something human DNA because reasons'.

ernesth100 · 06-06-2016, 05:03 PM

Y'know I really did love what they did what this film. I enjoyed it greatly. Which is part of why I'm sad it did so bad but in the end I can get my turtle fix elsewhere. There are still on going comics and old cartoons I havent watched. So yeah, there's that.

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06-06-2016, 10:44 AM	#67
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06-06-2016, 10:47 AM	#69
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06-06-2016, 11:03 AM	#71
RaphaelinSTL Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: St. Louis Posts: 1,948	Hey guys! Boy, it's been awhile since I post in the forums...but with a new TMNT film out in theaters, figured it's a better time now than ever to write about my thoughts on the new movie. Welp. It's better than the 2014 movie, but a root canal is a much more enjoyable experience than that film. This new movie is once again clunky, disjointed, flimsy and riddled with plot holes and an odd fast storytelling pace that ultimately leaves you with a incredibly hollow experience. As the surface level fan service stuff started appearing in the first half of the film, I was finding myself getting a little invested in what was going on but as the film continued and the story kept revealing itself I was totally out of the film entirely by the climax. Sure, it was incredible to see Spoiler: Shredder and Krang meet each other for the first time, but they WASTE Shredder as a character ONCE AGAIN . Rocksteady and Bebop were okay additions, though they ultimately didn't add much to the film by the end and Casey Jones honestly could've been written out of the film entirely and wouldn't have changed any aspect of the story. The Turtles themselves were....okay....the designs are sleeker and they didn't have as many obnoxious accessories as the first movie, but I still don't get the connection with them as characters like I have so many times before in different kinds of media. Hell, I feel more connected to the Turtles in "We Wish You A Turtle Christmas" compared to these Platinum Dunes films...at least in the Christmas special they involved Splinter more. Michelangelo isn't as creepy, borderline bro-rape as he was in the first film so that's a major approvement but he still is portrayed as a bumbling goof and I wish that the creative people behind this understood how to make Mikey seem less like the butt of jokes as the one who f***s up all the time. Raphael, my favorite Ninja Turtle, is once again portrayed as "HEY DUDE, I'VE GOT THE ANGER ISSUES THAT'S WHY I'M BORDERLINE HULK LOOKIN IN SIZE" that I hated from the first movie. I feel so disconnected from Raph as a character on screen that I have a hard time looking at him and thinkin "Oh yeah, that's my favorite Ninja Turtle." Leo is WAY better than this without Knoxville and Don was decent as well. They were on point as far as I'm concerned...but jesus, these "fight scenes" were almost as not existent as the 2007 film. I shouldn't thinking to myself "Oh yeah, Raphael has sais" when he brings them out for the first time in the movie.....about an HOUR into the film. The movie is just boring. If you had fun with it...that's fine, but good lord it's just an overall boring mess of Michael Bay troupes you've seen time and time again. People defend this and say it's an appropriate tribute to the 1987 series, but this is just something else entirely that's filled with characters you remember from that series...and not having done any justice to. I really hope this film continues to have slower box office numbers as maybe we'll get an eventual reboot in the next five years or so. This series just isn't working. __________________

06-05-2016, 07:42 PM	#62
snake Disgusting Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Outer Heaven Posts: 12,231	Just got out of it. Ehhhhh not really. I was looking forward to the fight scenes but there weren't any good ones, which was a huge missed oppertunity. Bebop and Rocksteady were awesome though.

06-06-2016, 12:14 AM	#63
IndigoErth Team Blue Boy Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: U.S., East Coast Posts: 16,288	Finally caught it tonight. Like the previous film, it's a mix of things I liked and other stuff being a bit "meh" (which I expected), but the like outweighed the not. Most importantly though I loved the treatment of the Turtles a heck of a lot more this time. (Sans the few Looney Tunes moments I could do without.) They finally felt like people in their own film, not sentient props just there for action sequences. And getting emotion out of them... particularly openly from Mikey and subtle from Leo (who I agree was a much better portrayal of him this time). Raph saying Leo doesn't know anything about emotions... no, look at certain shots of him, he knows a lot... he just keeps it to himself mostly, as is the Leo way. No, not everything was the greatest idea or take on things, but credit for it's obvious better effort that was put into trying to do the right thing, esp with the Turtles, which was my biggest hope for it, so they came through pretty well in that respect. For them, yes. For some other elements, neutral.

06-06-2016, 08:31 AM	#65
Shark_Blade Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,909	How Widow suddenly fell in love with Hulk after that is just bizarre...

06-06-2016, 03:18 PM	#75
IndigoErth Team Blue Boy Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: U.S., East Coast Posts: 16,288	So... the dormant genes thing. If Bebop and Rocksteady turned into those humanoid animals based on their genetics (was it really so hard to just incorporate that DNA into an experiments instead of just shooting darts at them for unknown results?), uh, about the Turtles. Was never said (I kind of expected it, but then again I should know better not to expect clarifying logical things to be included/said), but I guess this pretty much implied then that the Turtles, like 2012, kind of now have to have human DNA in there somewhere? (But in their case not really dormant... maybe the new mutagen just makes it take over.) Not to mention hot plane equaled sweaty Turtles - you boys aren't all reptile... (Poor "Monkey Turtle." )

06-06-2016, 04:31 PM	#77
Technogeek29 Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Huntsville Posts: 1,486	Alright collected my thoughts so here go I'll put a spoiler tag in case you still want to see this movie. Spoiler: The movie starts out with the Turtles sitting on top of Empire city Raph and Leo are sitting the highest, remember this it's important for later. As they jump down I already begun rolling my eyes with how dumb they want to portray Mikey in this version, "I thought you said squirrel formation" welp you already opening on a dumb weak joke? We're not off to a good start but let's continue, as they jump down the building I must abandon everything I've ever learn about physics with how much they spit in it's face. Velocity, gravity? Who cares I look good sliding on my brothers shell as he somehow got enough speed from the angle he was falling to even do such a thing. When the Turtles finally make it to the Basketball game they see Vern taking credit for defeating Shredder in the last movie, this would be fine if the Turtles didn't get upset that he is taking all the credit when they themselves asked him to!!! If they had just got simply got annoyed by his obnoxious behavior that scene could've been saved. But give credit were credit is due, the Turtles mimicking a falcon to mock Vernon's new nick name is in character for them and a juvenile teenager thing to do. Next scene is with April meeting Baxter and when he starts speaking and says things like "As much I would like to be someone that a girl like you would recognize. I can assure you, you don't know who I am" I had hope for this character he is not recognize for his accomplishments so he assumes people think less of him from the get go. If this was explored more he could've been a interesting villain for this movie. And he is an awkward dork about getting praise the seeds were there. Unfortunately this is a barren wasteland and not a plot of land with rich soil so his character doesn't get better after introduction. April started off good flirting with Baxter to lower his guard and get in his good graces, but snowball's by becoming eye candy within 3 minutes in her introduction scene so yay for that. And the pizza slipped scene could've been cut altogether and the movie would've been better for it. Next is the parade scene honestly besides the product placement of Bumblebee this scene is fine. Showing that Mikey wants to join society. Should've been longer and have Mikey get a swelled head and make him think humans would give him a chance. Would've made another scene have a lot more impact. So off to the prison we see Shredder being escorted to a transportation van with Bebop and Rocksteady joining him. Casey gets his introduction scene and as a easter egg says "Lawbreaker" to Shredder. I like that Casey mentions he uses hockey as a means to control his anger it falls flat because we never see that berserk-er rage Casey is known for but I digress. Bebop and Rocksteady start trying to make nice with Shredder to which he ignore's them this scene is another good one not perfect but good. Casey makes another crack at Shredder and he turns around and smiles "Or not" which is the last awesome thing he'll be doing in this movie. The chase scene has been played to death over the web so I'm just going to skip it and go to the next scene. Krang happen to be teleporting Shredder the same time Baxter was because......Anyway Krang shows up and instantly just trash talks Shredder does nothing to gain his trust just treats him like garbage then promise him power and Shredder just goes along with it like a dunce. Next scene with Casey has him explaining to the chief of police what happen mentioning seeing Turtles and the truck which no one seems to have seen? It sticks out like a sore thumb the broken nunchunk arms left behind or the various other cops who were there who could tell you about what they saw adding credibility to Casey's story but no have to shoehorned why he becomes a vigilante. Casey also summarizes that Bebop and Rocksteady are dumb enough to go back to there favorite bar but apparently the NYPD can't come to that conclusion themselves. So back to TCRI (Should've been Stocktronics but whatever) we see that Shredder begins transforming Bebop and Rocksteady with April watching as she just strolls leisurely inside a research building (where is the security?) she waltz just right in and steal the purple ooze and runs out almost 2 blocks down the street before train assassins catch her and is saved by Casey who doing rather impressive for a guy who jut started using sports gear as a weapon. Wait let me clarify uses Sport gear no plural just the hockey stick like I predicted he would. So drawn out fight scene ensues until the cops show up and don't pursue the Masked vigilante or the woman being chased by an assassin but instead pick up the glowing ooze dropped during the fight. The Turtles meet Casey and screw with him for a bit in both the streets and the lair. Casey understandably gets fed up with it and tries to leave until he see's the garbage truck and realize that these guys tried to help him the previous night. But what a minute you told the cops previously that you saw Turtles driving a truck and you couldn't put two and two together to realize that maybe, just maybe. These are the same Turtles? __________________

06-06-2016, 04:32 PM	#78
Technogeek29 Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Huntsville Posts: 1,486	Spoiler: Donnie finds out the the mutagen can revert them back to normal and goes and tells Leo who immediately shuts down the idea saying it would cause disorder in the team. Mikey over hears this and tells Raph who confronts Leo on the issue, after a short verbal spat, Donnie tells Leo that Shredder is at the museum stealing a piece of technology that Krang needs to power his teleporter He benches Raph and Mikey and we shoehorn in more Mikey is the "dumb one" jokes into the movie. At the museum Shredder just waltzes in, again a place with no security of any kind and just steals the piece he needs. No alarms no anything, why is this a trend? Shredder tells Bebop & Rocksteady that they are going to Brazil to which Bebop responds "My speedo is already packed." Why would he say that? They are going into the forest not the river, it's like they wrote that and didn't realize what it implied. Raph convinces April and Casey to help them break into Police headquarters while Mikey munches on Pizza like a moron and keeps saying "Are we doing something?" Nick Mikey is no longer the dumbest incarnation of Michelangelo. So they go and grab Vern to be a distraction as Casey and April go in disguise. Mikey and Raph are climbing through the vents and Raph gets stuck because he is too big (movie don't highlight how big they are that is a source of ridicule from fans and you making a joke about it doesn't land you in there good graces) So comedic moments aside they find that the Foot have beat them there and are stealing the ooze and just make a mad dash out of the building Mikey calls Leo & Don and let them know they are at police headquarters and the foot are stealing the ooze. Mikey and Raph burst out of the vent and chase down the two Foot Ninja and Leo and Don burst through the flipping front door glass (so much for stealth) and the cops come and tell the Turtles to freeze. Here everyone has/should various reactions upon seeing them. But instead it's just one random guy screaming "they're monsters" and Mikey getting sad which would've been more effective to have this scene after establishing Mikey was getting carried away with his involvement with humans. But it doesn't happen so this is just a shallow attempt at character depth. When they get back to the Lair Leo calls Raph out on his crap and how he screwed everything up, which is hypocritical because him lying is the reason this happens in the first place and Splinter doesn't call Leo out on it making him seem like a bigger dick than the actual dick. Oh and Mikey is sad and Splinter consoles him 2 minutes later he is fine and that ends his character arc. No seriously that's it no more Mikey wanting to fit in, he's back to is status quo in this movie as the "dumb one." Donnie tracks down the mutagen in Bebop and Rocksteady and finds out they are in Brazil Don's role in this movie is just to keep the plot rolling and nothing else. Casey and April are being interrogated at the station by the Chief of police and this scene is almost entirely pointless. Cut to next scene Bebop and Rocksteady are in the Amazon with a freaking tank blarring music and knocking down trees (Again where is the security?) So they find next peice and shoot a shell at it, this somehow doesn't destroy it but whatever next scene. Baxter is talking about how famous he'll be after everything goes according to plan and Shredder glares at him which silences him enjoy it's the only subtle thing in this movie. Turtles are sitting in the cargo bay and Don see's that they are passing over The Foot's plane so they have to jump to it which Raph gets scared about...Ok hold on he might just be afraid of skydiving understandable. Except the movie clarifies he is afraid of "heights" You're telling me all the times he jump from high buildings no problem but now all of a sudden he is afraid? This is just for that dumb window splat joke, Yadda, yadda, yadda the Turtles get inside the plane and see Bebop and Rocksteady. Easter Egg to the red sky and OT. Raph spins Rocksteady around then throws him while Rocksteady screams "Momma" Rocksteady climbs in the tank and shoot it apart miraculously missing the pilots. And who happen to be wearing chutes good for them. The Plane crashes into the river where the rest of the fight continue's this is almost a repeat of the snow scene from the first movie. The Turtles fail to stop Bebop and Rocksteady and go over a waterfall. Back to the Station Casey and April are still being question after getting nowhere she eventually leaves but not before calling Casey a loser. now here Casey seems like he about to spill his guts on why he is so angry that everyone calls him a loser even his family. No that would've been the right thing to do. Instead Casey pickpockets the Chief's phone and April calls Veron to have him break into TCRI and steal a surveillance footage. The next scene is completely comedic but it's fine it's suppose to give you a break from the action no problems here. Vernon shows the chief the video and she just let's them go. Doesn't even question them anymore about their involvement with the whole thing. The portal opens and the Technodrome begins to form in the sky, here Baxter is betrayed by Shredder and isn't seen for the rest of the movie. Shredder activates his teleporter given to him by Baxter and meets with Krang who betrays him and locks him a cage frozen. And isn't seen for the rest of the movie...Hmm When we see the Turtles again Don is able to hack into the alien technology and find out it's a war machine named the Technodrome because...Magic? I dunno he can do anything apparently even the cartoons aren't this absurd in leaps of logic. Leo points out that they can't go outside with the cops hunting them and Don brings the purple Ooze back into the equation. Raph and Mikey change their minds about wanting to be humans now, did I miss a scene? When did they change their minds? Whatever let's continue Raph smashes the ooze and the next scene is the Turtles meeting with the entire NYPD. I would think the giant floating war machine in the sky take presidency over 4 mutants you aren't even sure are evil but I digress. The TMNT team up with the Police to stop the Technodrome or more accurately get a lift from them because their cooperation ends there. While Casey, April and Vern go after the beacon keeping the portal open. The Turtles get to the top and are once again jumping off a really tall building onto a moving object (Raph aren't you afraid of heights?) Caseyh and the rest get to the warehouse where the beacon is located and sneak right- wait what? Oh now there's security? What the hell movie? So Bebop and Rocksteady are doing security and Casey tells Vernon and April to get to the beacon while he distracts them. April and Vern run into Karai (who might as well have been cut entirely) And Karai a high ranking member in the Foot Clan is struggling with two civilians who go down like a sack of potatoes with one hit. Why is she struggling? Just Katana swipe them both and call it a day or never use the damn thing and get thrown against the wall and get knocked unconscious, that works too. Casey is getting ragged dolled by Bebop and Rocksteady until he locks them into a frigate box and blows them up with a grenade which doesn't beat them they just make a joke like someone farted. The Turtles are fighting Krang and thankfully this isn't as one sided as the first movie Shredder fight was. It is however just as boring and Donnie says the Technodrome will be complete in 90 sec- wait haven't we done this before? Anyway the Turtles disable Krang April and co destroy the Beacon and the movie is over with Krang doing some obvious sequel bating. Cut to nighttime in front of the Statue of liberty the police are awarding the Turtles with keys to the city they make a joke about their last names. And the movie ends with the Turtles sitting on top of the Statue of Liberty. Careful Raph you might fall. Overall 3/10 still has many narrative problems which what I always look for first in anything but thankfully focuses more on the Turtles this time. __________________

06-06-2016, 05:03 PM	#80
ernesth100 Thug Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Sewers Posts: 91	Y'know I really did love what they did what this film. I enjoyed it greatly. Which is part of why I'm sad it did so bad but in the end I can get my turtle fix elsewhere. There are still on going comics and old cartoons I havent watched. So yeah, there's that. __________________ King of the Nerds!