Filming Of New Movie To Begin In April In New York!

[Bob]

Personally, I think Michael Bay was lying. Anyone who followed the production of the Transformers films, particularly the second one, will know that he is a very big liar. The TMNT script that leaked was the real deal, IMO. Saying that, it was clearly an early draft. We know that work has been done on it since, as well as a brand new writer penning another draft. So whilst changes have definitely been made, I just wouldn’t expect anything substantial. For example, as it was such a major plot-point, expect the Turtles and Splinter to still be aliens.

[chrisdude]

Originally Posted by Bob

Personally, I think Michael Bay was lying. Anyone who followed the production of the Transformers films, particularly the second one, will know that he is a very big liar. The TMNT script that leaked was the real deal, IMO. Saying that, it was clearly an early draft. We know that work has been done on it since, as well as a brand new writer penning another draft. So whilst changes have definitely been made, I just wouldn’t expect anything substantial. For example, as it was such a major plot-point, expect the Turtles and Splinter to still be aliens.

Agreed. Megan Fox, a 6'+ turtle actor, that ski slope filming location... Everything that's come out about this movie still fits.

I think giving the turtles secondary roles sucked, but I was open to the changes in mythology. Now that is seems like it's happening, I'm actually getting excited to see some of that stuff. I'm finding myself concerned by how much may have been changed...

[zodiac brave]

Originally Posted by chrisdude

Agreed. Megan Fox, a 6'+ turtle actor, that ski slope filming location... Everything that's come out about this movie still fits.

I think giving the turtles secondary roles sucked, but I was open to the changes in mythology. Now that is seems like it's happening, I'm actually getting excited to see some of that stuff. I'm finding myself concerned by how much may have been changed...

everybody seems to be freaking out about raph's actor being so large and tall. its mo-cap, folks! size doesn't matter, only movement. there wasn't REALLY a 10-foot + tall hulk in avengers interacting with evans, hemsworth, johannsen, etc...

if you're worried bout how fights will work, well...its a movie and the specifics will be worked out during production. (most likely, the actor will work with a stunt team to choreograph the fights, possibly film a few passes with the fight team for lighting and reaction references, then the scenes will be filmed without the actor, with the fight team acting and reacting with the proper reach. then the actor himself will go into a mocap studio and do the same thing.)

also, there's the possibilty that since a lot of times the actors don't do their own stunts or fight scenes, they'll get an actual fighter or stunt-man of similar stature to the CHARACTER and do it that way.

of course, this movie is already on a collision course with mediocrity, so it kinda wouldn't be a surprise if all of this went out the window and the turtles are actually all 6-7 feet tall and seemingly in their 20's and 30's.

[chrisdude]

Originally Posted by zodiac brave

everybody seems to be freaking out about raph's actor being so large and tall. its mo-cap, folks! size doesn't matter, only movement. there wasn't REALLY a 10-foot + tall hulk in avengers interacting with evans, hemsworth, johannsen, etc...

if you're worried bout how fights will work, well...its a movie and the specifics will be worked out during production. (most likely, the actor will work with a stunt team to choreograph the fights, possibly film a few passes with the fight team for lighting and reaction references, then the scenes will be filmed without the actor, with the fight team acting and reacting with the proper reach. then the actor himself will go into a mocap studio and do the same thing.)

also, there's the possibilty that since a lot of times the actors don't do their own stunts or fight scenes, they'll get an actual fighter or stunt-man of similar stature to the CHARACTER and do it that way.

of course, this movie is already on a collision course with mediocrity, so it kinda wouldn't be a surprise if all of this went out the window and the turtles are actually all 6-7 feet tall and seemingly in their 20's and 30's.

ENTIRELY DISAGREE.

They would not have cast this big, buff, superhero/football player-playing dude if he wasn't going to do the motion capture. They would've cast a voice actor. This guy is going to do the voice and the mocap suit, because that's the only thing that makes sense.

The Hulk primarily interacted with CG characters. You cannot compare that to the turtles fighting, hand-to-hand, with live-action Foot soldiers. Size ABSOLUTELY matters when you're choreographing a fight between a mocap actor who is a foot taller than his on-screen character will be, and a live-action actor whose height will not change. You can shrink the mocap recordings, but the movements won't be the same. A 6'2" turtle actor cannot punch a 6' Foot Soldier in the face with the same physical motion as a 5' 3" turtle can punch a 6' Foot Soldier in the face. And imagine grapples. There would be no point in motion capturing if you had to alter EVERY SINGLE motion to adjust for the character's height..

These turtles are going to be over six feet tall.

The End.

[Jester]

This presupposes non-CG Foot Soldiers in fight scenes....

[chrisdude]

Originally Posted by Jester

This presupposes non-CG Foot Soldiers in fight scenes....

Let me know if that is, at all, an unreasonable presupposition.

[zodiac brave]

Originally Posted by chrisdude

ENTIRELY DISAGREE.

They would not have cast this big, buff, superhero/football player-playing dude if he wasn't going to do the motion capture. They would've cast a voice actor. This guy is going to do the voice and the mocap suit, because that's the only thing that makes sense.

The Hulk primarily interacted with CG characters. You cannot compare that to the turtles fighting, hand-to-hand, with live-action Foot soldiers. Size ABSOLUTELY matters when you're choreographing a fight between a mocap actor who is a foot taller than his on-screen character will be, and a live-action actor whose height will not change. You can shrink the mocap recordings, but the movements won't be the same. A 6'2" turtle actor cannot punch a 6' Foot Soldier in the face with the same physical motion as a 5' 3" turtle can punch a 6' Foot Soldier in the face. And imagine grapples. There would be no point in motion capturing if you had to alter EVERY SINGLE motion to adjust for the character's height..

These turtles are going to be over six feet tall.

The End.

well, its not The End because you dont have prestidigitation or precognicence. plus, not once in that post did i say ritchson wouldn't be doing mo-cap. in fact i said HE WOULD. i also said that actors don't always do all their own STUNTS or ALL OF THE FIGHT SCENES. Mo-cap or not. im pretty sure it was only liam neeson in certain close-ups in the fight scenes of taken. same with matt damn in the bourne movies, etc, etc...

stop whining and freaking out and re-read the post. when the stunt team shoots a clean pass of a fight scene, without the turtle actor (ritchson OR stunt-turtle) in it, they will compensate for the difference in size. thats how these types of special effects are accomplished.

but, please, keep posting with certainty about things you know nothing about. its entertaining, really.

[chrisdude]

Originally Posted by zodiac brave

well, its not The End because you dont have prestidigitation or precognicence. plus, not once in that post did i say ritchson wouldn't be doing mo-cap. in fact i said HE WOULD. i also said that actors don't always do all their own STUNTS or ALL OF THE FIGHT SCENES. Mo-cap or not. im pretty sure it was only liam neeson in certain close-ups in the fight scenes of taken. same with matt damn in the bourne movies, etc, etc...

stop whining and freaking out and re-read the post. when the stunt team shoots a clean pass of a fight scene, without the turtle actor (ritchson OR stunt-turtle) in it, they will compensate for the difference in size. thats how these types of special effects are accomplished.

but, please, keep posting with certainty about things you know nothing about. its entertaining, really.

But why? Why cast a big dude and go through the trouble of making him look short? This guy isn't Liam Neeson. He's not Matt Damon. Do you really think this guy was so perfect for the role, or that he's such a great actor, that they decided they would use stunt teams and camera tricks to make him a foot shorter?
There's no reason to go through the trouble. They cast a big, athletic dude to play a ninja. And I expect him to fight. I see no reason to think otherwise.

[zodiac brave]

Originally Posted by chrisdude

But why? Why cast a big dude and go through the trouble of making him look short? This guy isn't Liam Neeson. He's not Matt Damon. Do you really think this guy was so perfect for the role, or that he's such a great actor, that they decided they would use stunt teams and camera tricks to make him a foot shorter?
There's no reason to go through the trouble.

-he's cheap, so he works for their budget.
-he's unknown, so he won't pull any diva ish.
-he can act( i guess...never actually seen him in anything, but the producers chose him so i guess he works for what theyre doing.), or at least put up with the mo-cap suit and all it entails.

and the reason to go through the trouble is because thats the stuff that happens when making a movie like this. just because you dont understand it, doesnt means its not valid or it wont work.

why not just cast little people in lord of the rings? by your line of reasoning, why even do mo-cap at all and not just do cgi animation?

because in the end it makes a more refined product.

yes, this whole thing has been stricken with Bay AIDS, but he's still in the business of making movies and this is how movies are made.

[chrisdude]

Originally Posted by zodiac brave

-he's cheap, so he works for their budget.
-he's unknown, so he won't pull any diva ish.
-he can act( i guess...never actually seen him in anything, but the producers chose him so i guess he works for what theyre doing.), or at least put up with the mo-cap suit and all it entails.

and the reason to go through the trouble is because thats the stuff that happens when making a movie like this. just because you dont understand it, doesnt means its not valid or it wont work.

why not just cast little people in lord of the rings? by your line of reasoning, why even do mo-cap at all and not just do cgi animation?

because in the end it makes a more refined product.

yes, this whole thing has been stricken with Bay AIDS, but he's still in the business of making movies and this is how movies are made.

Dude, I'm not saying this stuff isn't possible. I didn't say it wasn't valid or that it wouldn't work.

But I think it's a stretch to think they couldn't find a guy who fit the bill and was shorter. It makes sense to make John Rhys-Davies look like a dwarf, because you get to have John Rhys-Davies play the part. Same for Neeson and Damon. There's a clear payoff. I just don't think they would give themselves all this extra work to do in order to make this guy fit, when he's not special.
It makes more sense, to me, to think that they picked a guy that fit the role.

[zodiac brave]

Originally Posted by chrisdude

Dude, I'm not saying this stuff isn't possible. I didn't say it wasn't valid or that it wouldn't work.

But I think it's a stretch to think they couldn't find a guy who fit the bill and was shorter. It makes sense to make John Rhys-Davies look like a dwarf, because you get to have John Rhys-Davies play the part. Same for Neeson and Damon. There's a clear payoff. I just don't think they would give themselves all this extra work to do in order to make this guy fit, when he's not special.
It makes more sense, to me, to think that they picked a guy that fit the role.

we're all fans here. obviously. but lemme break something to you...

TMNT is NOT the most publicly captivating, zeitgeist capturing franchise that exists right now.

it's wallowed in relative mediocrity for over a decade and a half. this is NOT paramounts #1 tent-pole movie for 2014. they're NOT going to cast "name-stars" at all. them casting megan fox and releasing that info as though it was ground-breaking and industry-shattering should be proof enough of that. hell, even if it were a huge deal, they still wouldnt cast "name-stars" as they're going to be covered up by all that cg. makes the fact that, by your own words, there should be a payoff for that, moot.

that being said, THIS IS HOW THESE MOVIES ARE MADE. (again) doesn't matter that this guy's a no-name, the "trouble" they're going through would have to be gone through no matter who they cast.

[chrisdude]

Originally Posted by zodiac brave

we're all fans here. obviously. but lemme break something to you...

TMNT is NOT the most publicly captivating, zeitgeist capturing franchise that exists right now.

it's wallowed in relative mediocrity for over a decade and a half. this is NOT paramounts #1 tent-pole movie for 2014. they're NOT going to cast "name-stars" at all. them casting megan fox and releasing that info as though it was ground-breaking and industry-shattering should be proof enough of that. hell, even if it were a huge deal, they still wouldnt cast "name-stars" as they're going to be covered up by all that cg. makes the fact that, by your own words, there should be a payoff for that, moot.

that being said, THIS IS HOW THESE MOVIES ARE MADE. (again) doesn't matter that this guy's a no-name, the "trouble" they're going through would have to be gone through no matter who they cast.

I'm sorry. I just don't think casting a guy who is the size of his character is so crazy. I'm not going to assume they cast a 6'3" no-name, just cause, with the intention of cleaning it up later. They could've cast a 5'3" no-name. And acting like CG is CG, and adjusting for a height difference is no extra trouble is just silly.

If the next turtle they cast is 6' tall and built like a football player, we'll know what's up.

[zodiac brave]

Originally Posted by chrisdude

I'm sorry. I just don't think casting a guy who is the size of his character is so crazy. I'm not going to assume they cast a 6'3" no-name, just cause, with the intention of cleaning it up later. They could've cast a 5'3" no-name. And acting like CG is CG, and adjusting for a height difference is no extra trouble is just silly.

If the next turtle they cast is 6' tall and built like a football player, we'll know what's up.

lol. ok.

[prophecy718]

Have there been any calls for extras? I would be interested in doing that when they start filming in the city.

[TheJ-manTurtleMan]

I find it funny that people are talking about his height and worried that will affect Raphael. With movie technology nowadays you can fix anything. Did you know that Ian Mckellen is 5'11" whereas john Rys-davies is over 6', at yet in The Lord of the Rings, Gimli is way shorter than Gandalf, and all that was just done with clever camera work. I think its true they cast him for his body type, but not his body size

[chrisdude]

Originally Posted by TurtleTron

I find it funny that people are talking about his height and worried that will affect Raphael. With movie technology nowadays you can fix anything. Did you know that Ian Mckellen is 5'11" whereas john Rys-davies is over 6', at yet in The Lord of the Rings, Gimli is way shorter than Gandalf, and all that was just done with clever camera work. I think its true they cast him for his body type, but not his body size

That's beside the point... Of course it can be done. I never said it couldn't be done. But they're not casting hobbits or dwarfs or anything like that. They're casting human height turtles. They definitely could have found a short guy of the proper build, if they wanted to. And this guy is not some spectacular actor, or a big name the tie to the movie. So I see no reason to "fix anything" to make his height work. It makes more sense that they cast a big guy to play a big turtle.

And, for the record, I have nothing against tall turtles. I am not "whining" or "worried," because I don't even object. I just think it's silly that, without knowing anything for sure about what the turtles will look like, everyone is so quick to say, "No! They can make a tall actor work!," instead of accepting the likelihood that the turtles will actually be tall.

They cast a 6'3" man to play a teenage mutant ninja turtle, and I feel like I'm the only person who isn't in denial.

[zodiac brave]

Originally Posted by chrisdude

They cast a 6'3" man to play a teenage mutant ninja turtle, and I feel like I'm the only person who isn't in denial.

so what does that tell you...?

[chrisdude]

Originally Posted by zodiac brave

so what does that tell you...?

Optimism knows no bounds?

We have one solid clue about what these turtles will look like, and that is the casting of this actor. If your mind goes directly to "They can make him look shorter," then you must have faith that the turtles are going to be short.

You and a couple others say there's no need to worry, and you explain how these turtles can be short, despite the fact that there's no indication that these the turtles will be short, and despite the fact that the only clue you have is a tall actor. And that is why I say y'all are in denial.

[zodiac brave]

Originally Posted by chrisdude

Optimism knows no bounds?

We have one solid clue about what these turtles will look like, and that is the casting of this actor. If your mind goes directly to "They can make him look shorter," then you must have faith that the turtles are going to be short.

You and a couple others say there's no need to worry, and you explain how these turtles can be short, despite the fact that there's no indication that these the turtles will be short, and despite the fact that the only clue you have is a tall actor. And that is why I say y'all are in denial.

again, you needa go back and read the posts i've been making. i actually agreed that there is a large chance bay and co will totally ignore the height thing and indeed make them 6 feet tall. that was in the first post i made on this thread...because i DONT know what they're going to do. after that i've simply been explaining that if they wanted to make them shorter, they could and that since no one knows for sure whats gonna happen, there's no need to freak out. you're the one who's been speaking in absolutes about this height stuff.

and you keep saying that this actor should be an indicator for what the turtles will look like...ever see the cgi beowulf? ray winstone played him. google him. andy serkis played king kong. chris evans was filmed with his normal buff body in captain america and they made him scrawny in post-production. (this is prolly the best example of how the "reach/height/size problem" can be fixed and worked out.) but obviously, you've got your mind set on what you "know".

good luck with that.

[Bob]

According to the same website that broke the news about filming at the ski resort, they're also filming footage of a helicopter landing on a golf course. I can't recall, but was there any scene like this in the leaked script?