Karai=Miwa?

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by TheSmartOne

I'm actually kind of hoping that they don't go crazy like they did in the 4kids version. By season 3, it started to feel like they were throwing every plot device and the kitchen sink at the series. The arcs themselves weren't /bad/. The plots were still entertaining for the most part, and one of my favourite episodes is actually the one were Usagi and Gen wind up in New York XDDD But what I mean is that 'Ninja Turtles + Mutants + Space" = alright, I'll buy it. "Ninja Turtles + Mutants + Space + Now they're in another dimension + Oh wait, no they went back in time + Another dimension FORWARD IN TIME + Hey is that Chtulu (Even though that was a rockin' episode)", Starts really really really stretching my suspension of belief.

But then again, I kind of marathoned the 4Kids series... so watching it all at once may have skewed my perception of how quickly certain things occurred.

Yeah, I see what you mean. Still given its confirmed the Kraang are from another dimension, its pretty much a given they'll travel to space/Dimension X eventually, probably in Season 2.

The difference is this show is in CG, so it takes more work to create the "sets" for alien enviornments than 2D cartoons.

[Shredded]

I actually really like that this show is taking its time! It feels way more grounded, and when a big event happens, well it feels all that more special.

They keep back Splinter and Shredder, teasing us a bit with their fighting skills, and it feels so much more satisfactory when they finally fights.

Events seems more special when they finally happened.

I actually feel a bit like it became a down-right problem in the 2k3 show that it went to big to fast. It had HUGE events within the first part of the first season.

"Shredder Strikes." just felt way more like a first season finaly then... episode ten.

I can come up with no other show paced this way, with so many big events on so little time, and well.. it makes the events loose their importance, I feel like any-way.

In this show, it felt like such a huge deal when Shredder finally faced the turtles one o one.
It also felt like a huge deal in I'monster when we saw Splinter in action, and it feels like a huge deal that the turtles are going to figure out what the Krang is up to in the next episode.

yeah, I like the pace of this show better, yeah there are less big events, yeah they stay more firmly grounded in a smaller enviroment, which is just them, but I sort of like that. it allows the characters to breath, and it makes bigger events feel more special.


And yeah I can't wait either for the big reveal.
How will Karai deal with it? how will Splinter deal with it? ... how will the turtles deal with it?
I mean, they are his adopted sons, up turns his biological daugther, that could be sort of nasty. And on the same time they all agree that they can't trust her, that wont chance just because she started out as Miwa.

I think that's a good way to put it, she started out as Miwa, she is now Karai, and her arch is probably going to be, figuring out whom she is going to be next.

[TheSmartOne]

What I like is that they've done a good job so far setting up the possibilities of going to another Dimension and/or Space. It's integral to the story, so if it happens, it won't be a "Woah, wait, what? We're in....Okay, we're in space..." moment.

O_O And yes... Those five minutes in the Gauntlet were intense. I really really really really want to see Shredder make his next move. The fact that Leo and the others escaped /ONLY/ because Shredder got distracted is actually pretty chilling. Actually, Shredder's portrayal on a whole has been beautifully done. They're keeping him mysterious, dark and scary. The fact that there are fewer characters is also nice. Like you said, it lets everyone breath. It also keeps the filler characters to a minimum. Anyone who serves a significant role on screen is going to be important, if for the sole reason that it takes so much work just to get a character modelled and textured XD They're not going to let that work go to waste.

And yeah I can't wait either for the big reveal.
How will Karai deal with it? how will Splinter deal with it? ... how will the turtles deal with it?
I mean, they are his adopted sons, up turns his biological daugther, that could be sort of nasty. And on the same time they all agree that they can't trust her, that wont chance just because she started out as Miwa.

I think that's a good way to put it, she started out as Miwa, she is now Karai, and her arch is probably going to be, figuring out whom she is going to be next.

I knoooow, it's going to be big, man! I was also thinking about that. The whole 'biological daughter' vs 'Adopted sons' deal. The turtles might even feel sort of threatened by the new development, considering that Splinter's obviously told them a lot about his old life. Splinter even keeps the picture of his wife and Miwa in the dojo. It's not something he's let go of just yet and though I really doubt Splinter would love them any less, they are teenagers and they're probably not going to approach the situation with much logic. They'd probably be worried that he'd just decide that's that and ditch them or something. In terms of the trust issue, Raph, Donnie and Mikey are going to be the hardest to win over, since Leo seems to think she's got some good in her (plus that little crush), and Splinter's judgement might get clouded once he finds out the truth. Maybe.... hard to tell with Splinter >_>

[Shredded]

Originally Posted by TheSmartOne

O_O And yes... Those five minutes in the Gauntlet were intense. I really really really really want to see Shredder make his next move.


I knoooow, it's going to be big, man! I was also thinking about that. The whole 'biological daughter' vs 'Adopted sons' deal. The turtles might even feel sort of threatened by the new development, considering that Splinter's obviously told them a lot about his old life. Splinter even keeps the picture of his wife and Miwa in the dojo. It's not something he's let go of just yet and though I really doubt Splinter would love them any less, they are teenagers and they're probably not going to approach the situation with much logic. They'd probably be worried that he'd just decide that's that and ditch them or something. In terms of the trust issue, Raph, Donnie and Mikey are going to be the hardest to win over, since Leo seems to think she's got some good in her (plus that little crush), and Splinter's judgement might get clouded once he finds out the truth. Maybe.... hard to tell with Splinter >_>

And you do know, you being all frustrated over Shredder sitting there and wanting him to come out is a good thing right?
It means you are invested, and the show has succeeded in teasing you. Again yeah the other show had quicker events, but there wasn't so much build up.
That this show is getting under peoples skin and they are sitting saying. "Come-on! cooome on! I want to see them in action!" .. is actually a good thing, the show is very much teasing us right now, they are slowly but surely building up, and some-times the wait time is actually more memorable than the actual event.


And for Splinter.. yeah, that's another thing about this show taking its time and letting the character breath. We have all-ready established that this Splinter are capable of mistakes to, like Panick in the Sewers.. he is clever and analytical, but he makes mistake. And I am pretty sure he is going to make at least one, some kind of a mistake, when Karai gets to be involved.
What it is I don't know yet, if it's a mistake towards her because she is a genuine threat to his new family, or a mistake towards the turtles not explaining the situation probably.. I don't know, could go either way really, and both are very human mistakes.

And well, of cause he hasn't let go of the love of his life and his first child that died in a fire. No one would have.

[TheSmartOne]

Originally Posted by Shredded

And you do know, you being all frustrated over Shredder sitting there and wanting him to come out is a good thing right?
It means you are invested, and the show has succeeded in teasing you. Again yeah the other show had quicker events, but there wasn't so much build up.
That this show is getting under peoples skin and they are sitting saying. "Come-on! cooome on! I want to see them in action!" .. is actually a good thing, the show is very much teasing us right now, they are slowly but surely building up, and some-times the wait time is actually more memorable than the actual event.


And for Splinter.. yeah, that's another thing about this show taking its time and letting the character breath. We have all-ready established that this Splinter are capable of mistakes to, like Panick in the Sewers.. he is clever and analytical, but he makes mistake. And I am pretty sure he is going to make at least one, some kind of a mistake, when Karai gets to be involved.
What it is I don't know yet, if it's a mistake towards her because she is a genuine threat to his new family, or a mistake towards the turtles not explaining the situation probably.. I don't know, could go either way really, and both are very human mistakes.

And well, of cause he hasn't let go of the love of his life and his first child that died in a fire. No one would have.

XD Definitely. Though maybe when I said it was 'slower' I wasn't clear. I like the pacing. What I have started noticing though, is that the arcs aren't as overencompassing as the 2K3 version. If that makes any sense... But if felt like plot issues had more importance in the 2K3 version because they extended beyond their episode. Like Mikey never shutting up about winning the Battle Nexus XD That's a really really tiny, insignificant example, but it was very in character and made it feel as if the things that happened last week or last month, were still very important to what was going on. Actually, best example is Leo through out season 4, when he kind of went Batman on everyone >__> That actually started getting pretty scary in its own right because he completely changed, and for the longest while you weren't even sure if he was going to go back to how he was. Those sort of overarching plot points. But the show is still young and they have started expanding on elements from previous episodes, such as bringing in the Kraang power cell as the main power for the Shellraiser. Plus it's a very particular style of story telling, so this is just me being picky here I'll gladly admit that XD

Yeah, I'm really loving Splinter and the little glimpses we get into his personality. Him going Papa Bear against Leatherhead was yet another memorable scene XD aaaah,I can't wait for the TCRI episode. I feel like a lot of stuff is going to get answered, though maybe not for the stuff we're talking about XD

[MaximeLoonatic]

Honestly I am SO againts to the idea that Karai it's Miwa.
My reasons?
1) It's too much obious; even a five old kind would said ''That's Miwa, That's Miwa!!'' fur sure.
2) It would break the character. Let's think the possibility that she founds out; the man who asure her that he is her real father ends up to be her mother's murderer and her kidnapper, while her real father was the main target to destroy; that would make her more vulnerable and get a break down. The original Karai, it's serious, cold and an ''honorable'' ninja assassin.
3) If she's Miwa that would make her Leo's sister; and I like the Leo/Karai shipping!!

Of course there's no place that say that Miwa is dead neither... Maybe she survive and get a new family and home; of maybe she would came back as another personality... I think she could be Lotus Blossom.

[Shredded]

Originally Posted by TheSmartOne

XD Definitely. Though maybe when I said it was 'slower' I wasn't clear. I like the pacing. What I have started noticing though, is that the arcs aren't as overencompassing as the 2K3 version. If that makes any sense... But if felt like plot issues had more importance in the 2K3 version because they extended beyond their episode. Like Mikey never shutting up about winning the Battle Nexus XD That's a really really tiny, insignificant example, but it was very in character and made it feel as if the things that happened last week or last month, were still very important to what was going on. Actually, best example is Leo through out season 4, when he kind of went Batman on everyone >__> That actually started getting pretty scary in its own right because he completely changed, and for the longest while you weren't even sure if he was going to go back to how he was. Those sort of overarching plot points. But the show is still young and they have started expanding on elements from previous episodes, such as bringing in the Kraang power cell as the main power for the Shellraiser. Plus it's a very particular style of story telling, so this is just me being picky here I'll gladly admit that XD

Yeah, I'm really loving Splinter and the little glimpses we get into his personality. Him going Papa Bear against Leatherhead was yet another memorable scene XD aaaah,I can't wait for the TCRI episode. I feel like a lot of stuff is going to get answered, though maybe not for the stuff we're talking about XD

Well.. all those cases first happened in later seasons. You know we need to A; establish a lot of things B; have things actually happning to the turtles, before we can go that far.

Leo could only go that hay-wire in season four or after, because first then do we get how out of character it is.

And I wouldn't even say this show hasn't done that, just on a smaller scale because, the show is so young. For example; There's Raphael also wanting to be leader in the very first episode, he keeps bringing it up a couple of times, and then finally just take over in "New girl in town." to realise Leo is the better fit.

One thing I also do like about this show, a lot, nothing seems to happen without a reason, every-thing that happened, every-thing that has been established, comes up again.
Falcon is a great example of that, he was not just a throw-away villain, he came back.
Snake-weed and Spiderbite are both sure to come back again as well. Things evolve beyond the episode they were introduced in.

Just look at the evolution of Stockman.. I mentioned it before, but it does go some-thing like this.

Copy machine -> Mousers -> unwilling Shredder servant.
Each time we see him he has been pushed a little further, and what happened in the last episode he appeared in affect directly how he acts in the current episode.

And they talk about past events when it matter to the story, there's just not that many past events to refer to yet. It'll come, this show sure works like that.


Oh TCRI is going to be a biggie.
And that should have been obvious as "The Pulveriser." is such an obvious "Breather episode."

The breather, is always that more silly episode the creators make, that is not meant to be in any-way great, but be a time for the audience to relax so we are ready for the epic episode that comes next, also the epic one will look bigger in comparison. It's an old trick, Particularly Teen Titans used it a lot, they always had a silly nilly episode right before their big season finales, it's no wonder this show works the same way ^^

And this Splinter sure has a big personality, it's lovely. And a wicked sense of humour..
I'm sure glad he is a martial arts teacher and his sons martial artists.. otherwise his behaviour could almost be considered child-abuse. He punches them all the freaking time or at send them right into walls.. or hammers his cane down on their toes.
Only martial art trainers can get away with behaviour like that on film.. for some reason. Don't know why really. It's just awesome when they do it.

[psychturtle]

Possible SPOILER!!




Anyone thinking that the Nick series is building up Karai as being Splinter's long lost daughter, in which Shredder molded?

Just had this notion after watching the Rise of the Turtles episode and thinking about possible storylines.

[Zulithe]

It is a theory that has been tossed around, yes. Personally I think it is also correct.

[Shredded]

urhm... we sort of all-ready have a long un-going threat about that see.

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=41214

And the most common response tense to be. "It's very obvious at this point, in fact the surprising bit would be if she isn't."

[Jester]

Have you read none of the other 27 Karai threads?
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=41214

[Martin]

Originally Posted by Jester

Have you read none of the other 27 Karai threads?

^

If it does ends up being true though, it would take the Leo / Karai (/ Raph?) relationship to a whole new level of weirdness.

Before someone says anything I know there is nothing wrong about it since they are not related (I mean they were originally turtles, how could they be related?), but think about the kids! would they understand it just as easy? To them they would all be sons and daughters of splinter.

Side note: I'm still against turtle love though! as sad as it might be for them I just can't get over it. It was traumatic enough to see Leo bone Radical that one time. I don't want to go through that again (I know this won't happen since it's a kid's show, but still)

[TheSmartOne]

Originally Posted by MaximeLoonatic

Honestly I am SO againts to the idea that Karai it's Miwa.
My reasons?
1) It's too much obious; even a five old kind would said ''That's Miwa, That's Miwa!!'' fur sure.
2) It would break the character. Let's think the possibility that she founds out; the man who asure her that he is her real father ends up to be her mother's murderer and her kidnapper, while her real father was the main target to destroy; that would make her more vulnerable and get a break down. The original Karai, it's serious, cold and an ''honorable'' ninja assassin.
3) If she's Miwa that would make her Leo's sister; and I like the Leo/Karai shipping!!

Of course there's no place that say that Miwa is dead neither... Maybe she survive and get a new family and home; of maybe she would came back as another personality... I think she could be Lotus Blossom.

I agree with you on the obvious part. I mean, it didn't hit me for a while, but when the info clicked, I couldn't really see anything else happening. However I got to disagree with you on the 2nd point. Karai has spent 15 years living as Shredder's 'daughter'. So yes, on the one hand, the truth is likely going to be a massive shock. But on the other, living under Shredder isn't likely to have been easy. The first thing Karai would have probably learned is discipline of mind, if only to kind of deal with the fact that Dad isn't really interested in snuggles and piggy back rides. So she can really take it a lot of ways. She might decide to go after Shredder and become a sort of ally to the Turtles. She might decide that she hates Splinter anyway, because he didn't look hard enough for her or somehow 'let' it happen, and that's an easier way of coping with it all. Or she might decide to hell with everything and just decide to do her own thing. I don't think a breakdown will be on her agenda. She strikes me as a pretty strong, competent character so far.
Hahah, the 'Leo's sister' thing is starting to remind me a bit of Star Wars now xD. Though I think they're sort of safe from that awkward road, just because Leo isn't really related to Splinter. It's a family by bond thing, rather then family by blood. Still a little awkward, but they save themselves the trip down incest lane.

@Shredded
This is what I'm hoping XD I can't wait for the TCRI episode. This last week has practically killed me with anticipation.

I actually really like Splinters representation in this series. XD And I guess all the abuse is considered 'okay' because it's considered 'training'. "OH, THEY'RE LEARNING". I notice that Martial Arts teachers tend to do that... they'll let you make the mistake and then show you why the mistake is bad....
>_> Then again, my Shifu's doesn't throw you into a wall. But cartoon + It's Splinter xD?

[Shredded]

Originally Posted by TheSmartOne

@Shredded
This is what I'm hoping XD I can't wait for the TCRI episode. This last week has practically killed me with anticipation.

I actually really like Splinters representation in this series. XD And I guess all the abuse is considered 'okay' because it's considered 'training'. "OH, THEY'RE LEARNING". I notice that Martial Arts teachers tend to do that... they'll let you make the mistake and then show you why the mistake is bad....
>_> Then again, my Shifu's doesn't throw you into a wall. But cartoon + It's Splinter xD?

One could maybe argue that Splinter hammering his cane down on Leos toe was just a little un-called for.
But, pff, who cares. It's fun! and physical abuse in Cartoons has always been fun! that's the only reason Tom and Jerry is still conisdered a classic. (poor cat.)

But yeah, the kind of abuse Splinter does is obviously very cartoony, which is why it works, and it's actually some genuinly funny slap-stick they have going on ones in a while.

I'm a bit curious now, that whole "Go ahead and make your mistake, it'll make you learn better." is that a genneral Samurai, budhism asian thing?

I have noticed that this show is actually trying to be a little more faithful to japaneese traditions and bring them a bit more into play, such as using real japaneese words, or having splinter lecture some real japaneese philosophies, and that's pretty cool.
Especially his entire view about always showing mercy, and try to reach people instead of pushing them away, seems to be very connected to budhism.
I am just not familiar with the. "Make your mistakes." attitude.. I totally agree with it. I've been saying for a couple of years.
"Teenage year sucks, exactly because you are supposed to make all the stupid mistakes those years so you wont make them again when it really matters in your adult life." It's just refreshing seeing some-one else saying it right on my tely screen.

Though what I also noticed is that Splinter is way more teaching the way of the Samurai than the Ninja.. he sort of always did in any incarnation. After all, ninjas are sort of assasins and merchinaries that sold their services to the highest bidder. I don't think they were that tied to honour.
Samurais how-ever, oh boy it was all about honour with them.

And i'm totally side-tracking, sorry -_-;

[TheSmartOne]

Originally Posted by Shredded

One could maybe argue that Splinter hammering his cane down on Leos toe was just a little un-called for.
But, pff, who cares. It's fun! and physical abuse in Cartoons has always been fun! that's the only reason Tom and Jerry is still conisdered a classic. (poor cat.)

But yeah, the kind of abuse Splinter does is obviously very cartoony, which is why it works, and it's actually some genuinly funny slap-stick they have going on ones in a while.

I'm a bit curious now, that whole "Go ahead and make your mistake, it'll make you learn better." is that a genneral Samurai, budhism asian thing?

I have noticed that this show is actually trying to be a little more faithful to japaneese traditions and bring them a bit more into play, such as using real japaneese words, or having splinter lecture some real japaneese philosophies, and that's pretty cool.
Especially his entire view about always showing mercy, and try to reach people instead of pushing them away, seems to be very connected to budhism.
I am just not familiar with the. "Make your mistakes." attitude.. I totally agree with it. I've been saying for a couple of years.
"Teenage year sucks, exactly because you are supposed to make all the stupid mistakes those years so you wont make them again when it really matters in your adult life." It's just refreshing seeing some-one else saying it right on my tely screen.

Though what I also noticed is that Splinter is way more teaching the way of the Samurai than the Ninja.. he sort of always did in any incarnation. After all, ninjas are sort of assasins and merchinaries that sold their services to the highest bidder. I don't think they were that tied to honour.
Samurais how-ever, oh boy it was all about honour with them.

And i'm totally side-tracking, sorry -_-;

Yeah, the Splinter-pain is more along the lines of slapstick, so I don't think it's meant to be taken seriously. I mean, the set up was pure comedy:
"By the way, I'm glad you're not mad 8D"
"...Who says I'm not mad D< *Say bye bye to feeling in toes*"

Or my favourite: "I may have shown you all you know, but that does not mean I've shown you all I know"
"*Poor Leo lying upside down beside a wall" >___o gladtohaveyouback,sensei..."

Sure, it's painful for Leo and his bro's, but it's clearly played up for fun and not meant to be taken seriously xD Though when Splinter tripped Mikey after Mikey did his whole 'fighting without thinking' demonstration, I kind of felt bad. That one was a bit of a dick move.

I think the whole "Teaching through Mistakes" thing is so central to martial arts because of its nature. Martial arts is about learning self defence (it's also about discipline and self-improvement, but I'm getting ahead of myself). And when it comes to self-defence, you don't get a whole lot of chances to get it right. Mistakes might not cost you in a training environment, but they will sure as hell cost you if you ever find yourself in a situation where you need to use it. Splinter is really an extreme example of teaching by example, because the worst a mistake will get me in class is that Shifu will suddenly invade my space, show me how I just managed to pin my own arms and then proceed to illustrate how if I did it properly, all the problems I brought upon myself won't even exist in the first place. So no flips or painful punches or wall throws XD
....Though Shifu does have this really bad habit of making us run drills and then pausing between the 9 count to go on a non-sequitur while we're all trying to keep our balance on a back leg that's dying in agony. It's a part of the conditioning, I guess. No pain, no gain, that kind of thing.

I'm not sure if the teaching through mistake things has direct tie in's to Buddhism, but you're right on the count of the show borrowing heavily from Japanese culture. I'm glad they made that tie in. It's really nice to hear the Japanese and to see parts of the culture at work. There's even a bit of a 'problems can't always be solved by force' angle that's at work, which I hope they push more. Being aware of the responsibility you have to use your skills wisely and not uselessly is another fundamental teaching in martial art.

I noticed that too, more so in the 2K3 show then in this one. If my history is not wrong (Which is entirely possible, because I'm being lazy and not looking up what I might have read/heard a really long time ago), ninjutsu was created by the peasants, to combat the growing tyranny of the samurais, since honour didn't really play in when you were dealing with the poor. Honour didn't really play a big part in it, since it was very much closer to guerilla warfare, rather then a Samurai who'd want to fight his opponent face to face. 2K3 Splinter and Leo were always saying things about honour...which I guess was to kind of make the ninja aspect of it more respectful... But Nick Splinter actually hit ninjutsu on the head when he said something like "Seek Victory, not Fairness." >__> Surprised the hell out of me to hear that coming out of his mouth, but it's closer to the spirit of ninjutsu then the previous iterations.

PSH, SIDETRACKING IS COOL XD I love getting side-tracked. Actually, this would make an interesting thread. I actually wanted to get a discussion going on the portrayal of Martial arts in the series, and the balance between kick butt action and non-violence.

[Shredded]

I really liked when Splinter threw Leo into that wall, it was really a moment of putting his son back in place. "oh so you think you'll one day be better than me do you?" ... hehe.
Also liked earlier in the episode when none of the turtles really dared to wake up Splinter, they all knew that who-ever did it, would be on the recieving end of pain the moment Splinter actually did wake up.
They didn't even dare to touch him.

Man now I can just imagine them as kids, walking in on sleeping Splinter and he on complete reflex turned around and had one of them in a perfect death-grip or some-thing. You do not want to wake sleeping Splinter oO;


You're right that. "Search victory not fairness." is strange to hear from Splinter.

I didn't think about it before just now, when he first said it I was just.
"That makes sense." .... heh.

But honestly, why I think it fits with this Splinter is that his number one objective is. "Keep my sons safe, make sure they are safe."

That's the number one objective, every-thing he teaches and does is to full-fill that.

He teaches about mercy, because he knows showing mercy probably will come to the turtles advantage... and he wouldn't want for any of them to deal with the guilt of actually killing any-one or getting in over their heads.

He says "don't search out fights, be wise about picking them." as he knows searching out fights can make things escalate and lead to more danger.

And in the case of "Panick in the sewers." he thought he did what he needed to do to keep his sons safest possible, when he found out that wasn't the case he apologised and laid another tactic.

.. and you just explained to me why I never took up martial arts..
That and I have the grace of a stork on rollerblades. Also my brain gets confused when you call your instructor. "Shifu." I keep thinking about Kung-fu panda! XD

... hmm, all though apparently that Shifu went to the same instructor school Splinter did. Teach your students... with pain!
At least Splinter hasn't thrown any of his turtles down a thousand stairs yet.


And yeah, side-tracking sure is fun. Especially when you find like-minded geeks

[TheSmartOne]

XDDD Yep. Splinter is badass! I know I say this about every moment, but the Rat King moment was one of my favourites:

"DONNIE, WHAT DO WE DO? YOU'RE THE SMART ONE!"
"Um....poke him?"
"....Alright, Mikey, you poke him."
"O__O WHY DO I HAVE TO DO IT?"
"Let's put it to a vote. Mikey,"
"Mikey."
"Mikey."
"Q-Q I WANT A RECOUNT!"

XD Poor Mikey. His brothers really threw him under that bus. On a slightly unrelated note, I seriously love the writing in this show. There are so many little scenes like this that just make me laugh so much. I guess you could say, aside from the whole conditioning aspect, that Splinter's just making sure the boys have a healthy mix of fear/respect for him as a teacher. Which...sounds terrible when I put it like that, but when you think back to school, I'm sure everyone can remember that one teacher that no one messed with. For whatever reason, this teacher was Chuck Norris incarnate. So Splinter's just making sure that his students always know who's boss. The father moments are separate.

Speaking of Father moments, I need a moment to fangirl here: LEO'S FRICKEN LINE IN THE RAT KING, DHFGAEFAE I ALMOST DIED WHEN HE WAS ALL LIKE ";_; Father, Please', with the big eyes, and goddammit, he looked so sad for that split second before he fricken noticed the sword fricken sticking at his face and JAKHFAFEADAFE. *COUGH*
....Okay, I'm done. That is all, NOTHING TO SEE HERE FOLKS.

Yeah. 'Seek victory, not fairness' had me confused. For a minute I couldn't believe Splinter was actually suggesting that Leo fight dirty... But then when I thought about it, it made sense. They are ninjas. And Splinter's not only they're teacher, but their father. Panic in the Sewers highlighted his concern for them very nicely. Of course he's going to teach them to not only defend themselves, but to survive.

xD Haha, you should. It's fun. Though honestly, it really is about the place. I did Kyokushin karate for a year when I was in high school, and while I loved it, the environment was kind of stale. This place I'm at now really feels like family. Everyone's wonderful and so nice and always eager to help you with your technique. It makes you want to go and learn and improve. Also, the reason I call my teacher Shifu instead of Sensei is because I'm learning Wing Chun, which is a style of Kung Fu Shifu is the term for master/teacher in Chinese (Actually, I realized now that we actually pronounce it more Sifu, so we probably use the Cantonese term).
XD I wonder what would happen if I told Shifu he reminds me a bit of Master Splinter. I think he'd take it well? It can't be anything other then a compliment.

On a completely random note. Chris Bradford looked like Chuck Norris when he was human XDDDDD

[Sleepingseeker]

Originally Posted by TheSmartOne

What I like is that they've done a good job so far setting up the possibilities of going to another Dimension and/or Space. It's integral to the story, so if it happens, it won't be a "Woah, wait, what? We're in....Okay, we're in space..." moment.

O_O And yes... Those five minutes in the Gauntlet were intense. I really really really really want to see Shredder make his next move. The fact that Leo and the others escaped /ONLY/ because Shredder got distracted is actually pretty chilling. Actually, Shredder's portrayal on a whole has been beautifully done. They're keeping him mysterious, dark and scary. The fact that there are fewer characters is also nice. Like you said, it lets everyone breath. It also keeps the filler characters to a minimum. Anyone who serves a significant role on screen is going to be important, if for the sole reason that it takes so much work just to get a character modelled and textured XD They're not going to let that work go to waste.



I knoooow, it's going to be big, man! I was also thinking about that. The whole 'biological daughter' vs 'Adopted sons' deal. The turtles might even feel sort of threatened by the new development, considering that Splinter's obviously told them a lot about his old life. Splinter even keeps the picture of his wife and Miwa in the dojo. It's not something he's let go of just yet and though I really doubt Splinter would love them any less, they are teenagers and they're probably not going to approach the situation with much logic. They'd probably be worried that he'd just decide that's that and ditch them or something. In terms of the trust issue, Raph, Donnie and Mikey are going to be the hardest to win over, since Leo seems to think she's got some good in her (plus that little crush), and Splinter's judgement might get clouded once he finds out the truth. Maybe.... hard to tell with Splinter >_>

I agree with you about Shredder. They're giving him the mystery and suspense around his character that makes him seem more and more menacing. I, too, found it chilling that the only reason they escaped Shredder was because he got distracted. Very chilling, indeed. I love how the pacing is, as well. No need to rush things.

[TheSmartOne]

Originally Posted by Sleepingseeker

I agree with you about Shredder. They're giving him the mystery and suspense around his character that makes him seem more and more menacing. I, too, found it chilling that the only reason they escaped Shredder was because he got distracted. Very chilling, indeed. I love how the pacing is, as well. No need to rush things.

Yep. This Shredder's by far the scariest. They're doing a phenomenal job with the directing for his scenes- Keeping him in the shadow, keeping him in armor, showing only close ups of his eyes and that scarring on his face. He feels like the baddest thing to rock the block in New York and so far, he's holding onto that title with both hands. Shredder and Splinter going head it head is going to be the most epic thing ever. I really want to learn more about how things were when Yoshi and Saki were friends. I forget which episode, but there was actually a photo of the two of them in the army, so they were really close before the whole Tang Shen thing.

[Shredded]

Originally Posted by TheSmartOne

XD Poor Mikey. His brothers really threw him under that bus. On a slightly unrelated note, I seriously love the writing in this show. There are so many little scenes like this that just make me laugh so much. I guess you could say, aside from the whole conditioning aspect, that Splinter's just making sure the boys have a healthy mix of fear/respect for him as a teacher. Which...sounds terrible when I put it like that, but when you think back to school, I'm sure everyone can remember that one teacher that no one messed with. For whatever reason, this teacher was Chuck Norris incarnate. So Splinter's just making sure that his students always know who's boss. The father moments are separate.

Speaking of Father moments, I need a moment to fangirl here: LEO'S FRICKEN LINE IN THE RAT KING, DHFGAEFAE I ALMOST DIED WHEN HE WAS ALL LIKE ";_; Father, Please', with the big eyes, and goddammit, he looked so sad for that split second before he fricken noticed the sword fricken sticking at his face and JAKHFAFEADAFE. *COUGH*
....Okay, I'm done. That is all, NOTHING TO SEE HERE FOLKS.

Yeah. 'Seek victory, not fairness' had me confused. For a minute I couldn't believe Splinter was actually suggesting that Leo fight dirty... But then when I thought about it, it made sense. They are ninjas. And Splinter's not only they're teacher, but their father. Panic in the Sewers highlighted his concern for them very nicely. Of course he's going to teach them to not only defend themselves, but to survive.

xD Haha, you should. It's fun. Though honestly, it really is about the place. I did Kyokushin karate for a year when I was in high school, and while I loved it, the environment was kind of stale. This place I'm at now really feels like family. Everyone's wonderful and so nice and always eager to help you with your technique. It makes you want to go and learn and improve. Also, the reason I call my teacher Shifu instead of Sensei is because I'm learning Wing Chun, which is a style of Kung Fu Shifu is the term for master/teacher in Chinese (Actually, I realized now that we actually pronounce it more Sifu, so we probably use the Cantonese term).
XD I wonder what would happen if I told Shifu he reminds me a bit of Master Splinter. I think he'd take it well? It can't be anything other then a compliment.

On a completely random note. Chris Bradford looked like Chuck Norris when he was human XDDDDD

Lets not forget... Splinter has all alone, been raising four boys
All of which were the exactly same age!
How the hell do you keep those in order when you are all alone in the sewer! he couldn't even call a baby sitter or a friend for help.

Only one option really... put himself in respect, be strict and give the turtles very little choice when there are things they need to do.
Such as cleaning up, not skate-board in the lair, keep order ext.
Splinter is the only stable force in a mad-house! Just imagine the time he had to keep up with four turtles whom were six years old? or eight or ten.. I wouldn't blame him for being cranky ones in a while.

I do like the smaller warmer moments where Splinter really cares for his sons and give them advice.
It's nice that we can see so clearly how much he loves them. Which is kind of a neccesity in this show that that is absolutely clear, since.. the big elephant in the room, regarding this show, kind of is that Splinter is just sitting around in his room doing nothing while the turtles are facing all of the danger alone <_<
I mean, the reasoning. "They need to make mistakes on their own." can only go that far.
There's the turtles chasing down crooks, which they can handle fine on their own, and there's the turtles breaking into a very dangerous alien building, filled with enemies that can and will kill them.

So yeah, elephant in the room.. it becomes easier to ignore it when we know Splinter cares.
But dangit, I can't wait to see him more in action! I was at the panel with the creators of the show back in May in London, and I remember them very specificually saying.
"We wanted to make Splinter younger so he can fight more along-side the turtles."
Okay fair enough, I like that... At this point he is the Splinter whom has fought the least along-side the turtles! Both the Fred Wolf Splinter and the 2k3 Splinter had been way more active at this point!

Oh well, they are building up to it on purpose, and it does feel very special when he finally does fight.
I just.. I like this splinter so much, and I would really like to see him being more pro-active in some ways.
I know this isn't called "The Splinter show." but "Teenage mutant ninja turtles." so it's theoretically a good thing he is pushed to the back-ground.. I don't know.. :/

Njah, I got enough comradery with my music and theatre! I'm a comedian and a pianist, not a martial artist, and that's actually fine with me.


And yep, the writing is absolutely phenomenal, especially in character exhanges.
And yep, Bradford looks like Chuck Norris X)