Can Shredder perform martial arts with his Armor?

[Bossanova]

my thoughts are, they will introduce Saki in this first movie but he will not be the main fight until the sequels. and what if sachs is more like a baxter stockmen character because in the trailer he says " we are taking your armor to a new level" almost like hes an engineer or mad scientist sort of character. just speculating of course.

[Godzilla]

Originally Posted by Leo656

This might not make sense to everyone, but I'm almost positive that I'd respond better to pretty much everything about the Shredder armor if it was something done in a sequel and not the first movie out of the box. It's a whole lot to take in all at once.

Like, if the first movie had a more grounded take, and after being defeated, he felt he had to resort to extreme escalation in the sequel. It would all just look and feel more organic. I don't know if that makes sense to anyone else.

Sure. Ideally, I would think most people would generally prefer a more familiar take/version for the 1st movie, and then for a follow-up, be more accepting of liberties and such. Depending on how it's handled of course.

[jestermon]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Why the Macguffin, though? Why force fans to do backflips over Eric Sachs at all, if the "real" Shredder is actually in the movie? "Just to mess with people's expectations?" I suspect that is the reason, but holy sh*t, what a bad way to build trust with your audience.

Not really the audience for this movie is the general public that kind of sorta remember what Ninja Turtles were.

They did similar things with Transformers about reveals and the raked in the cash easily.

So glowing eyes means there isn't a person in a suit, I think you have missed a lot of fictional armors in sci fi.

[pennydreadful]

Originally Posted by Leo656

This might not make sense to everyone, but I'm almost positive that I'd respond better to pretty much everything about the Shredder armor if it was something done in a sequel and not the first movie out of the box. It's a whole lot to take in all at once.

Like, if the first movie had a more grounded take, and after being defeated, he felt he had to resort to extreme escalation in the sequel. It would all just look and feel more organic. I don't know if that makes sense to anyone else.

Yeah, I'm with you 100% on that one. Give us the Shredder we know before you give us Super Shredder.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by Leo656

This might not make sense to everyone, but I'm almost positive that I'd respond better to pretty much everything about the Shredder armor if it was something done in a sequel and not the first movie out of the box. It's a whole lot to take in all at once.

Like, if the first movie had a more grounded take, and after being defeated, he felt he had to resort to extreme escalation in the sequel. It would all just look and feel more organic. I don't know if that makes sense to anyone else.

Well there's some people convinced that we'll be seeing a grounded Shredder early on in the movie who then gets upgraded however I remember many of the same people convinced the turtles would start off with a more traditional look and out the accessories on for the final battle. It now seems we're getting them wearing that crap throughout the entire movie.

[MastahShredder]

I really don't mind the mechanical element. Saki is as narcissistic as they come. Plus an opportunist. If someone proposed to him something that would make him more powerful and more of a threat to the city and the turtles, he would take it in a heartbeat. William Fichtner is being portrayed as Shredder, but I don't think he actually is. I think he is the real Shredder's good guy face. He is the voice of good, pushing the Foot Clans fake intentions of doing well for the city when at the end of the day, The Foot is the organization wreaking havoc, while Saki, like a true ninja, is in the shadows at the top. I think William's character is a wealthy businessman up to no good with the mutagen, which Shredder is very interested in as a possible weapon. Fichtner is Shredder's mouthpiece to the city, keeping his criminal operation in the dark by paying off politicians and police. A manipulator and liar is the perfect role for Fichtner. By this, Shredder is playing both sides of the coin, pinning good vs evil, while he stays in the dark reaping benefits from that very struggle, making it look like his company is promoting healthy ideals and projects throughout the city while in the background, something far more sinister is going on.

Maybe I have just learned to live with it. Those extra spikes come off, so I don't really mind them. I think it's cool he has them like throwing stars but if he misses they come back.

[Leo656]

There's a whole lot of stuff jammed into (supposedly) 90 or so minutes. The pacing alone could potentially ruin this movie, just because of how much they'd have to rush through every single thing. Where is there even room to establish "regular" Shredder before jumping right to Mech Shredder or Cyber Shredder or whatever, all in the same movie? I just think they're doing too much all at once in this thing. Most of Bay's movies have the same issue, where things fly by so fast you can't fully wrap your brain around any of it, and then nothing has any impact, but man, does it look pretty. Even though he's only producing and not directing, I can see from the trailers that a lot of his "Style" is definitely intact, here. I can see we're in for a lot of "Bad Joke/Bad Joke/Explosion, Fast-Talking Exposition, Bad Joke/Bad Joke/Explosion, Repeat", which makes me really feel like plot and character are not the focus.

Still not sure if the movie's only 90 minutes, though, as I've heard different things, but if so, yeah, that'll be a problem. Although, frankly, I think that entire "Style" of filmmaking is more the problem, rather than just the length. Some of the Transformers 4 reviews so far are saying that at a butt-numbing 3 hours long, they STILL have no idea what actually happened in the movie.

Anyways, yeah, I guess they could find a way to do "Regular Shredder" and "Mega Shredder" in the same movie, but man, that's gonna be one crammed movie, if so. I'unno. Just seems too much too fast.

[MastahShredder]

Originally Posted by Leo656

There's a whole lot of stuff jammed into (supposedly) 90 or so minutes. The pacing alone could potentially ruin this movie, just because of how much they'd have to rush through every single thing. Where is there even room to establish "regular" Shredder before jumping right to Mech Shredder or Cyber Shredder or whatever, all in the same movie? I just think they're doing too much all at once in this thing. Most of Bay's movies have the same issue, where things fly by so fast you can't fully wrap your brain around any of it, and then nothing has any impact, but man, does it look pretty. Even though he's only producing and not directing, I can see from the trailers that a lot of his "Style" is definitely intact, here. I can see we're in for a lot of "Bad Joke/Bad Joke/Explosion, Fast-Talking Exposition, Bad Joke/Bad Joke/Explosion, Repeat", which makes me really feel like plot and character are not the focus.

Still not sure if the movie's only 90 minutes, though, as I've heard different things, but if so, yeah, that'll be a problem. Although, frankly, I think that entire "Style" of filmmaking is more the problem, rather than just the length. Some of the Transformers 4 reviews so far are saying that at a butt-numbing 3 hours long, they STILL have no idea what actually happened in the movie.

Anyways, yeah, I guess they could find a way to do "Regular Shredder" and "Mega Shredder" in the same movie, but man, that's gonna be one crammed movie, if so. I'unno. Just seems too much too fast.

All valid points. It's why 1990 is perfection. A ton of characters but everyone got their fair share of spotlight.

Would I like a different take? Sure, but this film is not for me.

[CatalaReturns]

Originally Posted by Leo656

There's a whole lot of stuff jammed into (supposedly) 90 or so minutes. The pacing alone could potentially ruin this movie, just because of how much they'd have to rush through every single thing. Where is there even room to establish "regular" Shredder before jumping right to Mech Shredder or Cyber Shredder or whatever, all in the same movie? I just think they're doing too much all at once in this thing.

I've been thinking similar. but, ya know, I have to wonder if they're doing something similar to the X-Men movies. When the first one came out there was a lot of uncovered back story that was traced later on. As much as I squirm at that entire rendition of the characters, the concept worked to drag in those outside of the cult following. Could this be similar?

[Jester]

Not that I don't agree that there seems to be a lot of story...but gauging all of this on the Transformers movies, they are all over 2 hours, the 1st and shortest being 144 minutes, or 2 hrs and 24 minutes.

I know that it has little bearing on the Turtles, but it's possible this could be almost 2 and a half hours....or more.

[Leo656]

Yeah, I honestly have no idea, but someone somewhere said 90 minutes so I was mostly going by that. That seems way too short for what they're trying to do, even though that's fairly normal for an "action movie for kids" these days. I think the determining factor in length will be whether the Powers-That-Be are looking at it more as a kids' movie or a "for everyone" movie. If it's the latter, it'll probably be two hours or so.

We still don't know, I just think it looks kind of "crammed" already.

[Jester]

Have we got a rating yet? That will really help gauge the run-time.

[CyberCubed]

I'm sure the movie length will be similar to the 1990 movie. If you read that leaked script that didn't sound like over a 90 minute movie.