The ALMOST New Season - Page 6

*BubblyShell22* · 10-03-2007, 02:14 PM

Okay, while I love the toddler Turtles in the 2003 eps, I don't think I could handle a whole season of them, especially how they meet the grown-up Turtles. These ideas are very pathetic. Just go back to 2003 and continue on from Ninja Tribunal and FF. It's not that hard.

*ZariusTwo* · 10-03-2007, 02:14 PM

There are several ways of looking at this. If Laird wanted to, he could have accepted Playmates ideas, but "tweeked" it so Splinter wouldnt be Hamato, and then move forward from there, because everything else would have worked. New Shredder? Bring it on, we've had two other Shredders since Ch'rell was exiled. Rat King? He's still around in the current series

The fact he wont edit the idea and even attempt a version that applies to what he wants the show to be proves he doesnt want to acknowledge the success and legacy of the ARCHIE title. And it's sickening. THIS is why "Forever War" has been delayed by years, and now, when the franchise has characters that Playmates KNOW can bring in the kind of success the toyline of the original series had, he wont' do it because he didnt have s*it to do with the success of the Mutanimals, or anything else spun out of that company.

*odupianist* · 10-03-2007, 02:14 PM

Why the old toon splinter idea? And I agree drtooth, the animation these days sucks compared to our youth. people rely on too much computer animation (some is alright, but not the whole show) instead of pure talent. oh well...

EDIT: maybe 4kids should sell their 1/3 (on the assumption that PM has 1/3, Mirage has a 1/3 and 4kids has a 1/3) to Kevin Eastman, then they can revamp the TMNT and every station will want it

*DrSpengler* · 10-03-2007, 02:54 PM

There were things about the Playmates pitch I didn't like. The "true teenagers" bit being one of them, the other being an entire continuity reboot coupled with Splinter having the Old Toon origin. I think if Laird wanted he could have tweeked enough of their ideas to fit the Archie/Old Toon characters into the existing 2k3 universe without much pain.

I mean, at the end of the day, Playmates really only wants to do that so they can sell the toys of those characters. If it's a new universe or part of a continuous one, I don't think they'd care so much.

I mean, we've aleady got Leatherhead (who turned good in Archie), the Rat King (as enigmatic as ever) and the Turtlebot who could be rebuilt as a Metalhead-like character (though not called Metalhead since the Mirage Metalhead has already been introduced in the 2k3 universe). Heck, one of the Dark Turtles, preferrably Dark Leo, could take on the identity of Slash if the other three wound up dead or something. I'd buy that for a dollar.

There are lots of clever and interesting ways to reinroduce and reinvision those characters. If Laird would just get off his "not my vision" high horse for five seconds maybe he'd realize that.

*ToTheNines* · 10-03-2007, 02:58 PM

Yea that "first time as teenagers" thing was bull ****, makes me think they have some wild idea about how teenagers act today. But other than that, it seemed great to me. Meh, we have about 200 OT episodes, over 100 NT episodes, lots of good comics, 3 good movies... we don't need a good TMNT series right?

*VaughnMichael* · 10-03-2007, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

To be fair I see why Laird rejected Playmates idea.

They wanted to bring Shredder back (again) and have old toon Splinter there? Uh, unless they were doing some parallel dimension storyline, how would they explain a Hamato Yoshi Splinter and the current 2k3 Splinter together, especially since Hamato Yoshi was killed in the current cartoon?

And why Mutagen Man? He was only in 1 episode of the old show and is far from a popular character. Random.

He could take that idea and implement it all into the 2k3 world nothing is concrete.
And I'm sure they went with Mutagen man A. because he's wicked cool looking and B. because Peter Laird created him.

And I'm sure those where just examples. The idea is brilliant to have an ultimate tmnt he shouldn't have been so quick to turn it down because he could have made it work unless he really has no faith in himself.

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

There are several ways of looking at this. If Laird wanted to, he could have accepted Playmates ideas, but "tweeked" it so Splinter wouldnt be Hamato, and then move forward from there, because everything else would have worked. New Shredder? Bring it on, we've had two other Shredders since Ch'rell was exiled. Rat King? He's still around in the current series

The fact he wont edit the idea and even attempt a version that applies to what he wants the show to be proves he doesnt want to acknowledge the success and legacy of the ARCHIE title. And it's sickening. THIS is why "Forever War" has been delayed by years, and now, when the franchise has characters that Playmates KNOW can bring in the kind of success the toyline of the original series had, he wont' do it because he didnt have s*it to do with the success of the Mutanimals, or anything else spun out of that company.

Wow you Zarius seem like a changed man. I have to say I agree but he did create allot of the characters or had a hand in helping design them at least.
It bother me allot also that he would just toss out characters he doesnt like when the opertunity is given to him to change them and make them into characters he does like.
I really do hope what all of us are saying hits him upside the head like tripple h's sledge hammer.

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Originally Posted by DrSpengler

There are lots of clever and interesting ways to reinroduce and reinvision those characters. If Laird would just get off his "not my vision" high horse for five seconds maybe he'd realize that.

EXACTLYYY!!!! This is the stuff people need to be posting in Murphys Blog because Peter is seeing it.

*ZariusTwo* · 10-03-2007, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Putrescent

Wow you Zarius seem like a changed man. I have to say I agree but he did create allot of the characters or had a hand in helping design them at least.
It bother me allot also that he would just toss out characters he doesnt like when the opertunity is given to him to change them and make them into characters he does like.

Oh I'll defend Pete when it comes to things that don't deserve drama, like the hostility to Volume Four and April the living crayon drawing, because THIS is where the criticisms are valid and make some form of sense. Laird is holding on too much to what he's made a success to try and change so the franchise can be more noticable.

*VaughnMichael* · 10-03-2007, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Oh I'll defend Pete when it comes to things that don't deserve drama, like the hostility to Volume Four and April the living crayon drawing, because THIS is where the criticisms are valid and make some form of sense. Laird is holding on too much to what he's made a success to try and change so the franchise can be more noticable.

And he's screwing things up by being this way.
Like I said if he doesn't like it theres nothing stoping him from changing these characters and their stories besides himself.

*DrSpengler* · 10-03-2007, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Putrescent

EXACTLYYY!!!! This is the stuff people need to be posting in Murphys Blog because Peter is seeing it.

I hope Murphy does manage to convince Laird to look at the comments or at least reevaluate his "No Archie characters ever" decree. However, if his ego is anything even remotely close to how it was described in that recent Eastman interview, I wouldn't get my hopes up.

*VaughnMichael* · 10-03-2007, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DrSpengler

I hope Murphy does manage to convince Laird to look at the comments or at least reevaluate his "No Archie characters ever" decree. However, if his ego is anything even remotely close to how it was described in that recent Eastman interview, I wouldn't get my hopes up.

Well you have to remember what Eastman said to do about that Ego of his.

*DrSpengler* · 10-03-2007, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Putrescent

Well you have to remember what Eastman said to do about that Ego of his.

Heh, yeah. Just make it all sound like it was Laird's idea from the beginning and that he's a genius and I'm sure he'd be all over the concept. That's how Kevin Munroe got us the CG movie, after all.

*Drtooth* · 10-03-2007, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

There are several ways of looking at this. If Laird wanted to, he could have accepted Playmates ideas, but "tweeked" it so Splinter wouldnt be Hamato, and then move forward from there, because everything else would have worked. New Shredder? Bring it on, we've had two other Shredders since Ch'rell was exiled. Rat King? He's still around in the current series

The fact he wont edit the idea and even attempt a version that applies to what he wants the show to be proves he doesnt want to acknowledge the success and legacy of the ARCHIE title. And it's sickening. THIS is why "Forever War" has been delayed by years, and now, when the franchise has characters that Playmates KNOW can bring in the kind of success the toyline of the original series had, he wont' do it because he didnt have s*it to do with the success of the Mutanimals, or anything else spun out of that company.

Words have been taken out of my mouth.

He's becoming as much of an over protective jerk destroying his own creation as George Lucas has. I can respect caring for something you created, but.... wow...just wow.

I can see in like 5 years TMNT (1990) the special edition will come out where Shredder attacks Leonardo first, the characters are replaced by floating, inconsistant with the rest of the film CGI, and then the O'neil farm would have been reinvisioned as a big bustling farm the way he always wanted (for a week).

*DrSpengler* · 10-03-2007, 03:31 PM

Well, Lucas has at least gotten better about it.

He released the unaltered trilogy on DVD and he has absolutely no problem with expanded universe fiction and merchandise. I mean, I was at K-Mart the other day and saw toys of Mara Jade and other characters he had no hand in creating.

And even the prequel trilogy had stuff taken from Expanded Universe fiction, like vehicles and aliens from the freakin Droids cartoon. Hell, Lucas even let a toy of Holiday Special Boba Fett get released, and he is not shy about expressing his eternal loathing for the Holiday Special.

Meanwhile Laird will let nothing see the light of day unless it's part of "his vision" and can only be coaxt into doing so by being convinced he thought it up in the first place (essentially, stealing other people's ideas).

When it comes to Lucas and Laird, I think Lucas is MUCH more diplomatic.

*VaughnMichael* · 10-03-2007, 03:35 PM

Like I said before go over to Murphys Blog. http://the-5th-turtle.blogspot.com/
Post your comments because he's showing them to Laird but please don't bash Laird in your comments it's not going to help us at all with trying to get things the way we all want to see them or er I mean the way Laird wants to see them. lol
Seriously though Zarius you should go over there and make your voice heard.
It's time to Speak up and Murphy is giving us that opportunity.

*DrSpengler* · 10-03-2007, 03:38 PM

I've posted my thoughts there already and while I'm not 100% positive toward Laird in them, I don't think I'm being overly harsh. At least, not nearly as negative as I'm being in this thread.

*VaughnMichael* · 10-03-2007, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DrSpengler

I've posted my thoughts there already and while I'm not 100% positive toward Laird in them, I don't think I'm being overly harsh. At least, not nearly as negative as I'm being in this thread.

Heh oh well I'd hope Murphy would edit them out anyways only showing laird the points we're trying to make.
I think this series may actully go the direction it needs to with us the fans and the help of Murphy talking to Peter.
I know he's been busting his hump working on things for the turtles anniversary but to me doing a show that's Ultimate tmnt would be the best anniversary present ever.

**Jester** · 10-03-2007, 04:08 PM

One wonders if the idea about essentially a "Tales" toon has been posted. *heads over to Murph's blog*

New Blog!! TMNT is moving to the CW.

*VaughnMichael* · 10-03-2007, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jester

One wonders if the idea about essentially a "Tales" toon has been posted. *heads over to Murph's blog*

Yeah it has even Slash said they should just call the next season Tales of tMNT which I agree would be a great title.
They could do just about anything if they went the way tales volume 2 is going.

**Jester** · 10-03-2007, 04:19 PM

Yeah, I read Slash's posts. He says all I wanted to say...so i won't.

Mr. Stay Puft · 10-03-2007, 04:57 PM

Ultimate TMNT sounds like a good idea, minus the continuity reboot. Bring in "new" character (new to 2k3 anyway), but keep the origins for Splinter and the turtles the same.

10-03-2007, 02:14 PM	#102
ZariusTwo Overlord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Britain, DINO THUNDER...POWER UP! Posts: 22,389	There are several ways of looking at this. If Laird wanted to, he could have accepted Playmates ideas, but "tweeked" it so Splinter wouldnt be Hamato, and then move forward from there, because everything else would have worked. New Shredder? Bring it on, we've had two other Shredders since Ch'rell was exiled. Rat King? He's still around in the current series The fact he wont edit the idea and even attempt a version that applies to what he wants the show to be proves he doesnt want to acknowledge the success and legacy of the ARCHIE title. And it's sickening. THIS is why "Forever War" has been delayed by years, and now, when the franchise has characters that Playmates KNOW can bring in the kind of success the toyline of the original series had, he wont' do it because he didnt have sit to do with the success of the Mutanimals, or anything else spun out of that company. __________________ Spider-Man: The Rescue* Spider-Man: The Galloping Cat Spider-Man: Scarlet Mirror Doctor Who: Child of the Daleks

10-03-2007, 02:14 PM	#103
odupianist Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,744	Why the old toon splinter idea? And I agree drtooth, the animation these days sucks compared to our youth. people rely on too much computer animation (some is alright, but not the whole show) instead of pure talent. oh well... EDIT: maybe 4kids should sell their 1/3 (on the assumption that PM has 1/3, Mirage has a 1/3 and 4kids has a 1/3) to Kevin Eastman, then they can revamp the TMNT and every station will want it Last edited by odupianist; 10-03-2007 at 02:16 PM. Reason: .

10-03-2007, 02:58 PM	#105
ToTheNines Col. Stinkmeaner Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 19,214	Yea that "first time as teenagers" thing was bull ***, makes me think they have some wild idea about how teenagers act today. But other than that, it seemed great to me. Meh, we have about 200 OT episodes, over 100 NT episodes, lots of good comics, 3 good movies... we don't need a good TMNT series right? Last edited by ToTheNines; 10-03-2007 at 04:12 PM.*

10-03-2007, 04:08 PM	#117
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,296	One wonders if the idea about essentially a "Tales" toon has been posted. heads over to Murph's blog New Blog!! TMNT is moving to the CW. __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

10-03-2007, 04:19 PM	#119
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,296	Yeah, I read Slash's posts. He says all I wanted to say...so i won't. __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

10-03-2007, 02:14 PM	#101
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	Okay, while I love the toddler Turtles in the 2003 eps, I don't think I could handle a whole season of them, especially how they meet the grown-up Turtles. These ideas are very pathetic. Just go back to 2003 and continue on from Ninja Tribunal and FF. It's not that hard.

10-03-2007, 02:54 PM	#104
DrSpengler Foot Elite Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 4,842	There were things about the Playmates pitch I didn't like. The "true teenagers" bit being one of them, the other being an entire continuity reboot coupled with Splinter having the Old Toon origin. I think if Laird wanted he could have tweeked enough of their ideas to fit the Archie/Old Toon characters into the existing 2k3 universe without much pain. I mean, at the end of the day, Playmates really only wants to do that so they can sell the toys of those characters. If it's a new universe or part of a continuous one, I don't think they'd care so much. I mean, we've aleady got Leatherhead (who turned good in Archie), the Rat King (as enigmatic as ever) and the Turtlebot who could be rebuilt as a Metalhead-like character (though not called Metalhead since the Mirage Metalhead has already been introduced in the 2k3 universe). Heck, one of the Dark Turtles, preferrably Dark Leo, could take on the identity of Slash if the other three wound up dead or something. I'd buy that for a dollar. There are lots of clever and interesting ways to reinroduce and reinvision those characters. If Laird would just get off his "not my vision" high horse for five seconds maybe he'd realize that.

10-03-2007, 03:31 PM	#113
DrSpengler Foot Elite Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 4,842	Well, Lucas has at least gotten better about it. He released the unaltered trilogy on DVD and he has absolutely no problem with expanded universe fiction and merchandise. I mean, I was at K-Mart the other day and saw toys of Mara Jade and other characters he had no hand in creating. And even the prequel trilogy had stuff taken from Expanded Universe fiction, like vehicles and aliens from the freakin Droids cartoon. Hell, Lucas even let a toy of Holiday Special Boba Fett get released, and he is not shy about expressing his eternal loathing for the Holiday Special. Meanwhile Laird will let nothing see the light of day unless it's part of "his vision" and can only be coaxt into doing so by being convinced he thought it up in the first place (essentially, stealing other people's ideas). When it comes to Lucas and Laird, I think Lucas is MUCH more diplomatic.

10-03-2007, 03:35 PM	#114
VaughnMichael I'm Baaaaaaccck! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 11,833	Like I said before go over to Murphys Blog. http://the-5th-turtle.blogspot.com/ Post your comments because he's showing them to Laird but please don't bash Laird in your comments it's not going to help us at all with trying to get things the way we all want to see them or er I mean the way Laird wants to see them. lol Seriously though Zarius you should go over there and make your voice heard. It's time to Speak up and Murphy is giving us that opportunity.

10-03-2007, 03:38 PM	#115
DrSpengler Foot Elite Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 4,842	I've posted my thoughts there already and while I'm not 100% positive toward Laird in them, I don't think I'm being overly harsh. At least, not nearly as negative as I'm being in this thread.

10-03-2007, 04:57 PM	#120
Mr. Stay Puft Stone Warrior Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: NH Posts: 580	Ultimate TMNT sounds like a good idea, minus the continuity reboot. Bring in "new" character (new to 2k3 anyway), but keep the origins for Splinter and the turtles the same. __________________ And there came a day. A day unlike any other, when Earth’s mightiest heroes found themselves united against a common threat, to fight the foes no single superhero could withstand. On that day, the Avengers were born. R.I.P Chi Cheng and Jeff Hanneman