Official Ep Discussion: S3 Ep18: "The Deadly Venom" - Page 6

Ramboraph4life aka Matt · 05-17-2015, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mukouno

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With Splinter saying how only few martial artists have ever mastered those healing powers and Raph, of all people, telling him that they’d be basically doomed if Leo wasn’t there all the time and saying that they weren’t pretty much good for anything.

Of course they did. It's the same turtle who sacrificed himself twice during a finale, was kicking ass in the same episode that he wakes up from a coma that he was in for months...

Who cares about Mikey or Raph. One's just the moron, the other is just the useless pussy. At least they are in this show's eyes...

And if you can just heal folks at the snap of a finger, then there's no point in any danger from here on...they have two people (Splinter & Leo) to magically heal them.

*neatoman* · 05-17-2015, 03:34 PM

So I want to ask something, if it wasn't just badly written dialouge at the begining and Baxter really did cure Karai, why didn't he cure himself? If he did figure out a cure (or at least thought he did) then wouldn't he want to cure himself as quickly as possible? I seriously doubt he'd want to continue an existance where he has to eat his own puke.

*shredder orokusaki* · 05-17-2015, 03:35 PM

He didnt cure himselft because i didnt allow him to be cured. His mutantion was a punishment for his failures.

*Autbot_Benz* · 05-17-2015, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by shredder orokusaki

He didnt cure himselft because i didnt allow him to be cured. His mutantion was a punishment for his failures.

Stop talking like you are shredder you moron

. Please seek professional Help

*CyberCubed* · 05-17-2015, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramboraph4life aka Matt

Of course they did. It's the same turtle who sacrificed himself twice during a finale, was kicking ass in the same episode that he wakes up from a coma that he was in for months...

Who cares about Mikey or Raph. One's just the moron, the other is just the useless pussy. At least they are in this show's eyes...

And if you can just heal folks at the snap of a finger, then there's no point in any danger from here on...they have two people (Splinter & Leo) to magically heal them.

The healing was only for poison, not physical injuries.

*IndigoErth* · 05-17-2015, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The healing was only for poison, not physical injuries.

But Splinter didn't bring out the poison related scroll until later, and Leo wasn't taught that? I'm confused.

Mukouno · 05-17-2015, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramboraph4life aka Matt

Of course they did. It's the same turtle who sacrificed himself twice during a finale, was kicking ass in the same episode that he wakes up from a coma that he was in for months...

Who cares about Mikey or Raph. One's just the moron, the other is just the useless pussy. At least they are in this show's eyes...

And if you can just heal folks at the snap of a finger, then there's no point in any danger from here on...they have two people (Splinter & Leo) to magically heal them.

I didn't want to put it as bluntly... But yes, so true...

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Originally Posted by neatoman

So I want to ask something, if it wasn't just badly written dialouge at the begining and Baxter really did cure Karai, why didn't he cure himself? If he did figure out a cure (or at least thought he did) then wouldn't he want to cure himself as quickly as possible? I seriously doubt he'd want to continue an existance where he has to eat his own puke.

I asked myself the same question, but if he really didn't come up with a retromutagen and only stabilized her human form... That'd explain that. Otherwise... Maybe Shredder simply put Karai above anything else and Baxter has to listen to him or else... Well, he had to make Karai his priority and simply didn't have enough time to make retromutagen for himself.

*Coola Yagami* · 05-17-2015, 03:46 PM

Except that Splinter used it earlier on his injured knee..... so... yeah.

Ramboraph4life aka Matt · 05-17-2015, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The healing was only for poison, not physical injuries.

Yeah, which I guess Splinter couldn't show anybody or even mention it beforehand even though one of their enemies that they faced from time to time was Fishface...an enemy that Bites And Poisons You (for example, when he poisoned Raph). You'd think it'd be right AFTER Raph had been poisoned, that Splinter would find out and go 'oh, maybe I'll teach them about this Now instead of waiting a few seasons to THEN try to each only ONE...even though I could at least ATTEMPT to TRY to teach all four, since four possible healers would be better than one'.

*Vicky82* · 05-17-2015, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The healing was only for poison, not physical injuries.

I'll add something here

Splinter's does use the healing for his physical injury he got from Slash but it doesn't completely heel him it must keep the pain under control.

Splinter does the same sort of thing to April the first time he uses the healing on her to keep the venom under control, Leo does the same thing later to himself.

Earlier in the episode, you see Splinter with that scroll for the healing poisons/bites ect so there must different healing techniques for injuries,poisons ect

So later when you see him do it on April and then on the others later he must have mastered the healing spell for the poisons.

*oldmanwinters* · 05-17-2015, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mukouno

While we’re at it… Those healing powers. Really? Look, I don’t mind the concept, this is a world with aliens, mutants and all sorts of superpowers so characters with healing hands are far from being out there. It’s the sudden appearance that bugs me. Splinter was capable of doing this the whole time? And he never bothered using, teaching, heck even mentioning them? Doesn’t he realize how awesome and broken healing powers are?!

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Originally Posted by pannoni1

The concept involving April fainting and needed a quick antidote isn't original in the multiverse (see OT's Enter The Fly), but the clever Ninja exercise at the end after a decent confrontation with the Foot/Karai felt was a good way to end the May Sweeps.

Overall, I liked a lot of the episode's moments, however, the central plot point was probably one of the dumbest things we've seen yet in the show.

I'm not a huge fan of plots being resolved through deus ex machina "special ninja magic techniques" Despite all the TMNT and Splinter have been through, we only just now get introduced to this little healing trick that seems to have no limits. In the introduction to the technique, Splinter seems to have it function as the equivalent of an Icy Hot pack for sore bones, but by the end of the episode, it's the ultimate immunity solution to all deadly toxins. When Leo encapsulates himself in that spirit aura, it might as well be the Mario Bros. grabbing a Starman because he was pretty much invulnerable at that point. I mean... really? Why should Donatello even bother with medical technology anymore?

The Enter the Fly episode of the OT pulled this off much better in context, because even though Splinter knew of magic ninja healing techniques, he had to have a particular rare plant in order to brew the antidote. It was made very clear in that episode that No Plant = No Cure, and thus no universal plot solution to any potential crisis that might arise. Now granted, that was the same series that gave us the "Michelangelo's Birthday" episode with magic moth balls and "if you believe something strongly enough, it might just happen." Ugh.

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Originally Posted by ObiWanFan4life

So, Leo is now one bullet-dodging scene away from becoming Neo

. But overall, a good episode.

Exactly. I did enjoy the sparring session and Leo getting the better of Splinter. It reminded me of the 4Kids episode in Season 4 where Leonardo's dedication finally allowed him to surpass Splinter as a fighter during a similar sparring session. That led to the beginning of his trip to meet The Ancient One.

*neatoman* · 05-17-2015, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The healing was only for poison, not physical injuries.

Yeah because poisons totally don't work by causing physical damage to the body.

*Vicky82* · 05-17-2015, 04:27 PM

Eugene Son wrote this episode and I didn't recognise the name so I assume he is a guest writer, So I looked him up on IMDB he is best known for writing episodes for Ben 10, Ultimate Spiderman, Superhero Squad. He hasn't written any other episodes for TMNT, so I wonder that's why the episode a couple of flaws.

He has though wrote 2 episodes for TMNT 2k3 show, The Trouble with Augie and Scion of the Shredder.

Leofan26 · 05-17-2015, 04:32 PM

Ok, it's been along time since I've posted. Mostly cuz it's been a while since I've actually enjoyed the show. I think the last one was when Leo got back on his two feet and was finally able to fight, Into the Woods I think the episode was called? Season three hasn't been my cup of tea.

However, I have been keeping up to date on here lurking for season three information to see if it'd have any thing to peak my intrest. I noticed all these complaints on Raph's character, hey at least you guy's have those live action films. You have no idea how disapointed I was with how they handled Leo's character, not to mention him and Karai ( Who's Leo's rival / love intrest ) Never really interacted or faught. I am hopeful for the next film but after the past three 80s films, chances are grim. So let us Leo fans have fun with the TV shows at least will yah?

I loved Leo in this episode, I'm sure if Raph was the one who learned this new ability and saved the day I'm sure you guy's would be all for it. Since it's Leo instead, complaints by the tons. I know you guy's complained in the dark Raph arc that Leo saved the day in that episode too so it's not just this new ability you have a problem with. Some one asked what fandom is considered the worst, I'm starting to wonder about this here

Oh the fun Wars that go on between Leo and Raph fans I've seen in places, fun times fun times.

I loved the training session between Leo and Splinter, that healing ability is awesome and do hope these guy's remember he has it and actually uses it more

I do enjoy the Leo moments, we get. Thanks writers.

Next episode, Rent appears right? Not sure how I feel about another romance pairing but guess I'll give it a chance, I can see both Leo and Donnie giving Mikey advice on romance, Raph has no Experince with it.

*JTH* · 05-17-2015, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramboraph4life aka Matt

Of course they did. It's the same turtle who sacrificed himself twice during a finale, was kicking ass in the same episode that he wakes up from a coma that he was in for months...

Who cares about Mikey or Raph. One's just the moron, the other is just the useless pussy. At least they are in this show's eyes...

And if you can just heal folks at the snap of a finger, then there's no point in any danger from here on...they have two people (Splinter & Leo) to magically heal them.

Didn't you say after the Season 3 Premiere thread that you were done with the show?

Now here you are for the last 7 months straight, still complaining. Should have took your own advice.

Then you wonder why hardly anyone takes any of the venom you spew seriously...

You whine, you complain, you tune in the next week.

Chaotix12345 · 05-17-2015, 04:34 PM

Alright episode, but I was hoping for more progress made towards Karai's story rather than just the "Okay, she's in Shredder's control now. That's it. See ya later!" we ended up getting that was pretty much summed up in the first couple minutes. All the rest of the episode served to do was show us that Splinter's still ailing a bit from Slash's attack, teach Leo a new technique that may or may not come up again, and let the Turtles know that Karai is controlled. Wasn't really that terribly eventful for something that it seemed like the whole mind control plot was leading up to.

That being said, there were some nice moments. I liked Kirby actually being there for April in an actual normal, non-him-immediately-mutating-or-dealing-with-season-finale-type-stuff episode for once, Leo's fight scene at the end, April and Casey's moment, and just the fact that Splinter didn't simply shrug off getting hit across the face by a spiked mace previously. All-around, though, not the strongest ep to go out on for a while.

(Also, I was surprised that Leo didn't immediately try to make Karai mad to draw the worm out. Even if Stockman fixed it, the Turtles didn't know that. Eh, maybe he was too woozy to think of it.)

*victory_angel* · 05-17-2015, 04:41 PM

I actually enjoyed this episode

Great early 33rd birthday present from Nick.

All the Turtles have their strengths and skills in healing.

Leo is a spiritual healer
Donnie is the one of the who is most likely considered a doctor.
Raph is more of an EMT
And Mikey is a care giver.

In every incarnation, Leo is more attuned to the spiritual side of things. That's why he is the one who is more likely to turn to meditation.

Donnie depending on the incarnation has a dubious view if not an out right bias against Spiritual practice. This incarnation of Donnie is more accepting of the concept of the unknown, but that doesn't mean that he isn't going to try and understand it.

He has been shown to turn to meditation himself...but only once all tangible ways of seeking answers are exhausted. So he has the focus and patience to learn Spiritual practices. But he doesn't have the interest in doing so.

Raph doesn't have a patience

and Mikey doesn't have the focus.

*MrTMNT2012* · 05-17-2015, 05:03 PM

Cool episode. Liked the zen parallels and how real-life martial arts philosophies were implemented into Leo's development!

Ramboraph4life aka Matt · 05-17-2015, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JTH

Didn't you say after the Season 3 Premiere thread that you were done with the show?

Now here you are for the last 7 months straight, still complaining. Should have took your own advice.

Then you wonder why hardly anyone takes any of the venom you spew seriously...

You whine, you complain, you tune in the next week.

Then just hit the ignore button on me. Duh.

Actually, since you had to waste an entire paragraph whining about little ole me instead of:

A: Concentrating on the topic
B: Talking about the show
C: Bringing me up even though I didn't bring you or anyone else up to insult, which I guess makes you the Bigger Man (aren't you special)

I actually haven't watched the show since then. So yeah, I kept my part of the deal. I said I'd watch the show when it has improved. And considering how this thread gives Everything on the shows away with description of scenes, gifs, plot summaries, sequences, questions being answered, etc...it's all here.

And the funny thing is...if I DID watch the show and said my peace, then you would have attacked me with that little paragraph of yours up above...

And guess what? Even without watching the show, I was able to guess the whole 'Dark Raph' thing, how it would end up, and so on...and hey, not bad for someone who hasn't even watched the show and Yet was able to guess what would happen...that's how predictable the show has become...

You know why I still look on here though? Because I would LOVE to read something that says that the show is worthwhile again. I would love to hear that Mikey & Raph have been treated with more respect than is currently being given to them. I would love to read some stuff and go 'Hey, you know what? I need to give this show a chance again!'

But when constant thoughts abound on here on how Raph & Mikey are poorly used on the show (and, sorry to burst your bubble, but i'm not the only one who has said that), it kind of turns me off on giving it a chance. So if two of my favorite characters are used to such poor effect, then screw it. Or about how constant arcs are just abandoned, how much the writing has weakened, how things are just dropped, and more...yeah, no thanks.

I'm sure you were one of those same people who said 'You can't judge the new Michael Bay produced flick until you see it'...and yet, guess what? It was EXACTLY what most people said it would be...

Just hit the ignore button on me if I'm such a Bother to you, JTH. Instead of derailing the topic and thread any longer.

P.S.: Also, it IS kind of funny that I can say some of these things and yet, go figure! Some people who DID watch the show actually agreed with what I said (if you don't believe me, I could gladly show you those comments). I guess I'm just a good guesser, eh?

So are you done JTH? Thank You.

*CyberCubed* · 05-17-2015, 05:08 PM

Eugene Son also wrote the 2k3 episode "Scion of the Shredder" which was the ep in Season 4 where Karai hunts down the Turtles and tries to kill them.

And now in the Nick show he wrote this episode where Karai hunts down the Turtles and tries to kill them. Its kind of funny he wrote almost the same type of episode for two TMNT shows.

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I call BS on Healing hands - No prior signs, NO explanations, No practice, and Instant mastery!?	31	38.75%
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05-17-2015, 03:35 PM	#103
shredder orokusaki Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Japan Posts: 1,511	He didnt cure himselft because i didnt allow him to be cured. His mutantion was a punishment for his failures. __________________ I AM THE SHREDDER!!!!!

05-17-2015, 03:46 PM	#108
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,645	Except that Splinter used it earlier on his injured knee..... so... yeah. __________________ "I was down with TMNT once, but then they changed what TMNT was. Now what I was down with is no longer TMNT and what TMNT now is seems weird and scary. And it'll happen to YOU." Check out my blog for Comic Reviews and other things. https://markepicblogofrandomness.blogspot.com/ I also started The AEW Crew, the All Elite Wrestling Fan Club! https://www.facebook.com/groups/637508120044168/

05-17-2015, 04:27 PM	#113
Vicky82 Emperor Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dunstable, UK Posts: 5,803	Eugene Son wrote this episode and I didn't recognise the name so I assume he is a guest writer, So I looked him up on IMDB he is best known for writing episodes for Ben 10, Ultimate Spiderman, Superhero Squad. He hasn't written any other episodes for TMNT, so I wonder that's why the episode a couple of flaws. He has though wrote 2 episodes for TMNT 2k3 show, The Trouble with Augie and Scion of the Shredder. __________________ My heart!!!! One of my favourite moments.

05-17-2015, 04:34 PM	#116
Chaotix12345 Mad Scientist Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,127	Alright episode, but I was hoping for more progress made towards Karai's story rather than just the "Okay, she's in Shredder's control now. That's it. See ya later!" we ended up getting that was pretty much summed up in the first couple minutes. All the rest of the episode served to do was show us that Splinter's still ailing a bit from Slash's attack, teach Leo a new technique that may or may not come up again, and let the Turtles know that Karai is controlled. Wasn't really that terribly eventful for something that it seemed like the whole mind control plot was leading up to. That being said, there were some nice moments. I liked Kirby actually being there for April in an actual normal, non-him-immediately-mutating-or-dealing-with-season-finale-type-stuff episode for once, Leo's fight scene at the end, April and Casey's moment, and just the fact that Splinter didn't simply shrug off getting hit across the face by a spiked mace previously. All-around, though, not the strongest ep to go out on for a while. (Also, I was surprised that Leo didn't immediately try to make Karai mad to draw the worm out. Even if Stockman fixed it, the Turtles didn't know that. Eh, maybe he was too woozy to think of it.) __________________ The Lazy Shell - My nerdy musings in rarely-updated blog form!

05-17-2015, 04:32 PM	#114
Leofan26 Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 1,306	Ok, it's been along time since I've posted. Mostly cuz it's been a while since I've actually enjoyed the show. I think the last one was when Leo got back on his two feet and was finally able to fight, Into the Woods I think the episode was called? Season three hasn't been my cup of tea. However, I have been keeping up to date on here lurking for season three information to see if it'd have any thing to peak my intrest. I noticed all these complaints on Raph's character, hey at least you guy's have those live action films. You have no idea how disapointed I was with how they handled Leo's character, not to mention him and Karai ( Who's Leo's rival / love intrest ) Never really interacted or faught. I am hopeful for the next film but after the past three 80s films, chances are grim. So let us Leo fans have fun with the TV shows at least will yah? I loved Leo in this episode, I'm sure if Raph was the one who learned this new ability and saved the day I'm sure you guy's would be all for it. Since it's Leo instead, complaints by the tons. I know you guy's complained in the dark Raph arc that Leo saved the day in that episode too so it's not just this new ability you have a problem with. Some one asked what fandom is considered the worst, I'm starting to wonder about this here Oh the fun Wars that go on between Leo and Raph fans I've seen in places, fun times fun times. I loved the training session between Leo and Splinter, that healing ability is awesome and do hope these guy's remember he has it and actually uses it more I do enjoy the Leo moments, we get. Thanks writers. Next episode, Rent appears right? Not sure how I feel about another romance pairing but guess I'll give it a chance, I can see both Leo and Donnie giving Mikey advice on romance, Raph has no Experince with it.

05-17-2015, 04:41 PM	#117
victory_angel Foot Elite Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Ca Posts: 3,108	I actually enjoyed this episode Great early 33rd birthday present from Nick. All the Turtles have their strengths and skills in healing. Leo is a spiritual healer Donnie is the one of the who is most likely considered a doctor. Raph is more of an EMT And Mikey is a care giver. In every incarnation, Leo is more attuned to the spiritual side of things. That's why he is the one who is more likely to turn to meditation. Donnie depending on the incarnation has a dubious view if not an out right bias against Spiritual practice. This incarnation of Donnie is more accepting of the concept of the unknown, but that doesn't mean that he isn't going to try and understand it. He has been shown to turn to meditation himself...but only once all tangible ways of seeking answers are exhausted. So he has the focus and patience to learn Spiritual practices. But he doesn't have the interest in doing so. Raph doesn't have a patience and Mikey doesn't have the focus. __________________

05-17-2015, 05:03 PM	#118
MrTMNT2012 Mad Scientist Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,512	Cool episode. Liked the zen parallels and how real-life martial arts philosophies were implemented into Leo's development! __________________ Fav Quote - 87 Leo: "TURTLES FIGHT WITH HONOUR!" Fav Series - 2012 Nickelodeon Fav Game - Out of the Shadows Fav Comic - IDW Series Fav Movie - Liebesman's TMNT (2014)

05-17-2015, 05:08 PM	#120
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,699	Eugene Son also wrote the 2k3 episode "Scion of the Shredder" which was the ep in Season 4 where Karai hunts down the Turtles and tries to kill them. And now in the Nick show he wrote this episode where Karai hunts down the Turtles and tries to kill them. Its kind of funny he wrote almost the same type of episode for two TMNT shows.