Official Ep Discussion: S3 Ep18: "The Deadly Venom"

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Eugene Son also wrote the 2k3 episode "Scion of the Shredder" which was the ep in Season 4 where Karai hunts down the Turtles and tries to kill them.

Side note...

"Scion of the Shredder"

Not the sort of car I'd imagine him with.

[Werecat]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Eugene Son also wrote the 2k3 episode "Scion of the Shredder" which was the ep in Season 4 where Karai hunts down the Turtles and tries to kill them.

And now in the Nick show he wrote this episode where Karai hunts down the Turtles and tries to kill them. Its kind of funny he wrote almost the same type of episode for two TMNT shows.

That explains why the rest of the turtles are one-dimensional characters and the episode is Leo obsessed. 2k3 writers seem to dislike every other turtle besides Leo and it shows through their writing.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Werecat

That explains why the rest of the turtles are one-dimensional characters and the episode is Leo obsessed. 2k3 writers seem to dislike every other turtle besides Leo and it shows through their writing.

LOL, no. You must have watched a different show than everyone else did.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Werecat

That explains why the rest of the turtles are one-dimensional characters and the episode is Leo obsessed. 2k3 writers seem to dislike every other turtle besides Leo and it shows through their writing.

I never really got that impression whenever I watched that show. Just because they put focus on one character does mean they dislike the others.

[saber16]

Originally Posted by Purple Kraken

Believe me, I've been trying to enjoy the episodes, but the character derailments, plot holes, and the numerous amounts of OT homages ruin it for me. I don't actually know what to do anymore.

... Stop... watching it?
Just stick with the seasons you like and pretend the show was canned where you feel it lost it's edge. Meanwhile everyone still on board will go back to enjoying the... Another hiatus... suuuuper.

[Meliwen]

Originally Posted by Mukouno

I did enjoy the sparring match, but then I remembered why I sometimes really dislike Splinter: His blatantly obvious favoritism of Leonardo. Not only did he train him privately without the others, they had to watch from the door, but he also offered this healing method solely to Leo as well. He didn’t even consider asking the other three. Sure, maybe they wouldn’t be able to do it, but he could nonetheless let them try.

That's the initial feeling I got from Splinter vs Leo as well, and that's the one thing that bothered me about that scene, which was otherwise great. But now I think it's less of Splinter training Leo privately, and more like Splinter is training himself, and Leo's the best one to help him with that. He needs to get back into fighting form, and Leo's got the best blend of skill and care to be the best opponent.

But yeah, it would've been nice if he taught them all that healing skill, even if in the end they don't get the hang of it. But I guess he knows enough of their ability to know only Leo had a chance.

[Ashwolf]

it was a pretty good ep though it kinda felt mediocre, leo learning that healing technique was a nice surprise though I don't see him being able 2 use it much in a actual fight, splinter probably would've taught it 2 the others but, not sure if this is true 4 all incarnations, leo is the 1 that spends the most time practicing his skills out of all of them and I think its cool how the writers r starting 2 show more of that

when that worm went in karai, it would've been a nice reference 2 stargate if it entered through the back of the neck instead of her ear

the whole ep, I was expecting Kirby 2 go off on splinter and Donnie, and carry april out of there just cause of his lack of trust in them expecting more of that side of Kirby 2 be brought up in the future and wouldn't be surprised if he does tell some1 like bishop or a network crew their secret after some explosive event

regarding the whole "returning karai 2 normal/freeing her from the mind control" this incarnation has a tendency 4 something big of that sort 2 happen 2 some1 close 2 them be4 actually finding a remedy 4 said situation

it took Kirby getting mutated be4 don actually did start working on the retromutagen despite timothy getting mutated be4 Kirby, in the mutanimals ep, they only figured out how 2 free slash and Rockwell from the serum worm after it happened 2 raph also, and yeah, karai is close 2 them in a way but shes still not exactly in their inner circle, yet...

[senpai]

I think Leo is Nick’s favorite turtle…

There was a lot of suspense in this episode. I think we all foresaw what was going to happen when Splinter showed Leo the ‘healing hand’ technique or whatever it was called.

Originally Posted by neatoman

And now I'm imagining Casey as Oolong from Dragon Ball...

Don't put it in my head!

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I'm surprised nobody made a mention of April in her pajama's. Pretty sure that's a new design.

No, it's not. She answered her window wearing that same outfit in season 1; you just didn't get a good look of her pajama pants.

[Luckyday]

I have pretty much the same misgivings but before I drink my sorrows in beer, I feel the need to say a few things that I did actually like in this episode.

First all and again despite my huge dislike of the direction of my personal favorite character, I really like the pacing and tone of this episode. This episode was tense and claustrophobic from the way that Karai was hunting the turtles down. Who ever directed this episode did a supreme job. The writer on the other hand....let's just say that he is not my favorite person in the world right now.

Another thing that was good but also interesting because it tells something about a character insight on another person.

I found it extremely odd and almost a plot hole when Kirby took April to the turtles first and not a medical doctor, because we already seen Kirby be able to identify an animal species in less then a second in Operation: Break Out which is important information for a medical doctor to have when treating someone who has been bitten by an poisonous animal, but he was panicking and said out loud that he regret doing this immediately.

It was good because as long the character points out something in hindsight or just use basic common sense then it helps in keeping the suspension in disbelief. It was just nice that someone over there on that writing team notice these things and isn't just trying to crank out a rush script. I wish that same person would have change Baxter's dialogue in the beginning.

What was interesting about it was because it shows , even if it was unintentional, on how much Kirby has a high opinion on Donnie since his first thought was to go to Donnie instead of a regular doctor. Despite what victory_angel said on how Kirby would act, I think Kirby won't be so bent out of shape on April dating Donnie. He would still get bitter about it but only if April tried to lie and keep the relationship a secret.

Now please excuse me while I go and get shitfaced.

[Shark_Blade]

Oh man, I cracked up when Mikey's about to suck the venom out of Casey's tiny butt. But when the heck did the snakes bit him?? Shouldn't the venom be sucked out from his mouth where Karai kissed him?? If her little snakes gonna bit him later then what's the point of the kiss in the first place? She's just horny? Oh that Karai.

Originally Posted by Purple Kraken

Believe me, I've been trying to enjoy the episodes, but the character derailments, plot holes, and the numerous amounts of OT homages ruin it for me. I don't actually know what to do anymore.

Stop watching then. So annoying with your constant complaints. Face it, you've grown older, got more boring and can't accept nice and fun things. Go watch something else if you can't contribute positively.

[Werecat]

Originally Posted by neatoman

I never really got that impression whenever I watched that show. Just because they put focus on one character does mean they dislike the others.

Ending scene went like this "Wow Leo you saved us all. Blah blah. and you did it solo! None of us could ever do that'' Then in the earlier scenes Raph got taken out very easily and it was offscreen. The proof is there that the 2k3 writers do not respect or care for the other turtles besides Leo.

Follow the leader is the better leo episode because he is shown that the other turtles are just as capable as him. Now it seems the other turtles are one dimensional and can't manage on their own without Leo now. Seems like the writing is devolving.

Edit: Also Casey basically cheated on April with Karai and the writers didn't even resolve it or notice it themselves. The writing was terrible and too Leo obsessed to be any good.

If they are going to make one-dimensional characters at least add growth to them just like 21 Jump Street. Were the stereotypes were challenged by things out of their element and progressed into a complex character. For example, Channing Tatum had to learn science and other smart things to overcome problems. The nerd had to learn to become popular to overcome his problems. It is possible for more than one character to have a plot and character progression. The 2k3 writers just don't seem interested in character progression for the others instead they proven they want to keep the spotlight on Leo.

[CyberCubed]

Felt really odd to see Rocksteady in this ep but no Bebop, even if it was just that one small scene.

[MrTMNT2012]

Best line of the Episode: "DUDE, why do you have a pineapple for a head?"

[JTH]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Felt really odd to see Rocksteady in this ep but no Bebop, even if it was just that one small scene.

I like that they at least try to give them some separate individuality rather than always being connected at the hip. Though they probably shouldn't get too carried away with it.

[Papenbrook]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

Stop watching then. So annoying with your constant complaints. Face it, you've grown older, got more boring and can't accept nice and fun things. Go watch something else if you can't contribute positively.

So, I'm not allowed to express my opinion and complain about the quality of the show?

Not every episode is going to have positive responses, Shark Blade. You just have to deal with it.

[GoldMutant]

Originally Posted by Purple Kraken

So, I'm not allowed to express my opinion and complain about the quality of the show?

Not every episode is going to have positive responses, Shark Blade. You just have to deal with it.

If you want to express your opinion, fine. The same deal of you repeating yourself on the previous episodes and now is just becoming annoying and angering people.

At the very least, be a reviewer and say what you like as well as dislike for the episode.

[senpai]

I tried to translate the healing-hands mantra but my Japanese skills are still not very good. None of it made sense x.x If anyone is able to translate, I'd be greatly obliged.

[matteso586]

Vicky82: You think this episode is more intense than Slash & Destroy, Clash of the Mutanimals, and Newtralized?

[Papenbrook]

Originally Posted by GoldMutant

If you want to express your opinion, fine. The same deal of you repeating yourself on the previous episodes and now is just becoming annoying and angering people.

At the very least, be a reviewer and say what you like as well as dislike for the episode.

I guess you're right. I used to be so invested in the show, but now I just want to avoid it. It's like I fell out of love with this show.


The only things I liked about the episode was the suspense of what was happening with Karai poisoning her victims, and the pace of the episode. Other than that, this episode was a waste of my time.

[drgon78]

Great episode now it is time to wait for the next one, whenever that will be.