New Ep Discussion: "CITY AT WAR"- Updated Again!!!

[Buslady]

Originally Posted by barkworm

You didn't realize it because it was not Iron Maiden!

ok well some dude said it was. whatever.
it was still cool tho. its nice to hear some normal music with the show.

[Karpo_007]

Originally Posted by The Big Bad

And what superheroey acts have they pulled, so far? Well, there's Mike's superhero phase, which didn't take, Raphs decision to help that kid in "Lone Raph and Cub" which was motivated cause he identified with him. Leo's actions in "City at War" have been motivated by guilt, so I can see him trying to save them. So far, their only truly altruistic act has been that Garbage Man thing, and saving April in "A Better Mousetrap".

That being said, some of the turtles do come off more noble than the others.

Best examples are Garbage man and Leo's actions in the last ep. But there are also others, like the TMNT patrolling the streets in some early episode, don't remember what ep right now though.

Well they are not fully Super Heroes yet if you compare them to likes of Superman and Spider-Man etc but I compared them to the original TMNT, and the difference is big. But like I said before, it's not Mirage it's Fox BOx TMNT and as long as they keep the good stories up I'm fine with the semi heroism.

[Kali]

Originally Posted by Karpo_007

Best examples are Garbage man and Leo's actions in the last ep. But there are also others, like the TMNT patrolling the streets in some early episode, don't remember what ep right now though.

You mean their training runs? That's all it is, but if they do come across wrongdoing, they'll make an effort to stop it, like in Fallen Angel.

Yeah, they sometimes do get gung-ho over some things, like investigating the blackouts, but that soon turned to fun until they noticed the Foot sneaking around. But they aren't vigilantes the way Casey is/was.

They all have good hearts, and have been taught to help those in need. They do commit acts of heroism, they can do no less, but they don't make a "profession" out of it.

But I do think The Big Bad has a point, that Leo's actions in this episode are fueled by guilt, even if that blame is all in his head.

[Karpo_007]

Like I said I was comparing them to the Mirage characters, who rather not interfere with the lives of humans [in the first volume anyway] but usually stop criminals if they see them. They certainly wouldn't jump to save an enemy who tried to kill them nor ganngsters from an exploding bulding...

But they are bery different characters who happen to come across similar situations as the Mirage TMNT. Heretic has said many times that the Fox Box TMNT are more like the old toon charcaters than Mirage ones, and I'm starting to agree with that point.

[Drtooth]

Next week... can't wait... same stuff I usually say inserted here...

As I hypothisized the subplots about Casey and April aren't going to make it into this story arch, so I'm just gonna enjoy all this cool action.

Anyway, I actually taped this, but I wasn't paying attention for some reason (perhaps I was a bit tired, or I was having an off day) so I'll have to watgch it again tomorrow!

[Donatello]

Originally Posted by Karpo_007

Like I said I was comparing them to the Mirage characters, who rather not interfere with the lives of humans [in the first volume anyway] but usually stop criminals if they see them. They certainly wouldn't jump to save an enemy who tried to kill them nor ganngsters from an exploding bulding...

But they are bery different characters who happen to come across similar situations as the Mirage TMNT. Heretic has said many times that the Fox Box TMNT are more like the old toon charcaters than Mirage ones, and I'm starting to agree with that point.

i have to disagree, the old toon characters are really not al that similair to the new ones. leo for one was whiney in the old toon, now he's the noble character from mirage. Raph was a smartass in the old toon, now we've got old raging raph from the mirageverse. Don was really geeky in the old toon, granted he is a little in this one, they've got the other character aspects down, like the fact that he's the quiet one, he has his dry wit(which the old toon never had) and that slight egotism from the mirage days. although i suppose an arguemnet could be made for mike, him being the most similair to the old toon version, but i think it's kind of an amalgam of mirage and old toon.

[Whitewolf89]

Originally Posted by host_punktmy

You probably know but it's illegal to tape a shoiw. Well what happened? I missed it cuz my power went out that morning.

Since when is it illegal to tape TV shows?! I've been doing it since I got my first VCR in 1985, and nobody said it was illegal! I mean, that's what the blamed things were MADE for, for Pete's sake. What do you think VCR STANDS for, anyways, host_punkymy?! As we ALL know, it means "videocasstte RECORDER", and when you have a recorder, you just naturally record things with it. The TV and movie industry surely should've anticipated that. I mean, not ALL of us can afford to run right out and immediately buy the newest video or DVD that comes out, WHEN it comes out (but back in the day when I get MY first VCR, there was no such animal as a DVD player or recorder!). Like I said earlier, I've been taping my fave TV shows ever since I got that first VCR back in '85. Dukes of Hazzard, Airwolf, DangerMouse, Knight Rider, Road Rovers, Biker Mice From Mars, SWAT Kats, the original TMNT series; you name it, I've taped it. And I plan on doing the same with this series...to say nothing of any other stuff that I like! Besides, since a good many of the shows I liked back then (and continue to love to this day!) were never released on video or DVD, I will continue to do so. Biker Mice only had its first full season released on video and SWAT Kats only had SIX eps released, on three seperat videos. And Biker Mice ran THREE seasons and SWAT Kats only TWO!!! If I HADN'T taped them when I did, I wouldn't have them now. And I missed getting to tape one ep of Biker Mice entirely, and missed taping TWO eps from the SWAT Kats. I don't plan letting that happen with the new TMNT series. Which is why I'm glad that Cartoon Network will be running the first 40 eps of the show starting April 19th. Gotta get my VCR primed for that.

On another note, I'm not trying to be hostile here, OR flame anyone, especially not a fellow TMNT fan, but you just caught a bit off-guard with this one. If you think I'm mad at you, I'm not. Just a bit confused, is all.

Back to topic, though, I LOVED this ep! Leo has proved, once and for all, that he ISN'T perfect (I never thought he was, myself), but that he has a good heart. All he has in mind is to protect his hometown (NYC) from the mess it's about to face. Raph knows what's going to happen and is just trying to protect Leo from himself. Love that. Raph being the sensible, level-headed one and trying to get Leo to see reason for once, rather that the other way around. I can't shake the feeling, though, that Splinter is going to rip Leo a new breathing hole once this whole mess is over.........

Can't wait to see Parts Two and Three!

[Kali]

I think it's a very good balance. They have the basic Mirage, but the characters need to be a little more "obvious" for their target audience. But I don't think it's really over the top, with the exception of Mikey at some points. But even then, behind the lightheartness, Mikey isn't a dim bulb.

On video tape legalities... it is NOT illegal to tape shows off TV for your own personal use. Selling these tapes for profit, however is. If it was illegal, VCR's wouldn't have a record button, and they'd just be VCP's.

[Anarchistguy]

Originally Posted by Karpo_007

Not the first time. They all dove in to save garbage man.

I know that. I was talking about THIS storyline (City at War).

[Whitewolf89]

Oh, I see. That's sorta what I thought, but wasn't really sure. I tape the shows I do for my personal use, and for that reason ONLY. Doing it TO sell them IS illegal, and I think it's called "boot-legging". The only time I might make an extra is for my equally Turtle-crazy, 12-year-old niece, and the only reason that I do that is because her family doesn't have Fox on their satellite set-up (her mom (my youngest sis) hates Fox, for some odd reason), so I told her that I'd tape the eps for me, then tape a set off for her use ONLY. 'Course, when they start up on Cartoon Network, she'll be able to do it herself, 'cause they DO have CN...though I might give her a hand with it.

My profound apologies to host_puntny if I came off as hostile in my last post. I wasn't trying to be. Sorry.

[Lisardo]

Ppl sometimes illegally sell eps on eBay. I will admit I bought some, that's b/c it was too hard to d/l them all and it was the only way I could aquire them. Oh well.

[Karpo_007]

Originally Posted by Donatello

i have to disagree, the old toon characters are really not al that similair to the new ones. leo for one was whiney in the old toon, now he's the noble character from mirage. Raph was a smartass in the old toon, now we've got old raging raph from the mirageverse. Don was really geeky in the old toon, granted he is a little in this one, they've got the other character aspects down, like the fact that he's the quiet one, he has his dry wit(which the old toon never had) and that slight egotism from the mirage days. although i suppose an arguemnet could be made for mike, him being the most similair to the old toon version, but i think it's kind of an amalgam of mirage and old toon.

I didn't say they were exactly like the old toon characters, but most of the time they behave MORE like the old toon TMNT than the mirage ones, saving their enemies etc.

Don't get me wrong, while I don't like those few things about their behaviour , I still very much like the series and think that after Mirage and the first movie they are the best written TMNT.

[Stefano]

true true

[J Legault]

Well there's about several episodes where the TMNT do some heroic deeds. but it's not like they're becoming superheros and show themselves into the public. since only a few people know about them besides April and Casey.

Ofcourse there's nothing wrong about doing the right thing for once a while.
There's no saying that they can't save anyone at all.

This option makes me think of this quote from "Attack of the Mousers"

"Aren't you always telling us to do the right thing?"
"As you grow older you'll learn what the right thing is"

[Stefano]

thats not the quote. Its more like "as you grow older you'll learn theres different ways to do the right thing" JEEZ

[jeff the cheff]

Originally Posted by The Big Bad

I think they're still a long ways off before becoming superheroes. Leo's actions this episode, attempting to save the mobsters, are all because he's still on a guilt trip.

I mean, they've done lots of non-superhero things too. They've tried to kill the Shredder twice, Baxter Stockman once, killed quite a bit of people in the Federat/Triceraton war, and I'm guessing, at least some Foot. Plus, they're not afraid of taking hostages, and their desicion to help Prof. Honeycutt was based mostly on self-interest.

And what superheroey acts have they pulled, so far? Well, there's Mike's superhero phase, which didn't take, Raphs decision to help that kid in "Lone Raph and Cub" which was motivated cause he identified with him. Leo's actions in "City at War" have been motivated by guilt, so I can see him trying to save them. So far, their only truly altruistic act has been that Garbage Man thing(which was done with some reluctance, IIRC, and saving April in "A Better Mousetrap".

That being said, some of the turtles do come off more noble than the others.

Also Donatello went back to help the monsters from the underground.


Also, I can't see how Leonardo was missing those bullseye's. I don't care how bad of a day he is having, he is a ninja he should be able to hit something with a sword instead of missing two times in a row. I think a 2 year old could hit a bullseye with a sword.

[Gremlin]

Well, it wasn't quite the rush I've expected after hearing you guys.. But it was one of the top eps of season two and if the other two parts play their cards right. we just might have a winner

[J Legault]

Originally Posted by Stefano

thats not the quote. Its more like "as you grow older you'll learn theres different ways to do the right thing" JEEZ

Sorry. I was close . But still it did had a meaning to "The right thing".

[Albrecht]

Originally Posted by rayfillet101

The bomb with the mob or with the foot? There was two of them!

the one with the mob.

and no way in hell was that iron maiden. i laugh at the thought ( it was pretty good though. )

[Hyper Metal Sonic]

I guess they're just trying to distance themselves from the whole mouser thing altogether...

I doubt we'll see the giant mouser 'bot.