Could someone enlighten me.... - Page 8

*Roseangelo* · 05-17-2007, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

who are we to say, "Yo Pete, this ain't right!"

Uh, you did three pages ago. And you posted some pretty extreme and insulting pictures two pages ago.

*Andrew NDB* · 05-18-2007, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Roseangelo

Uh, you did three pages ago. And you posted some pretty extreme and insulting pictures two pages ago.

My fun little satire? If you read between the lines, I'm kind of mocking the sort of militant anti-Laird train of thought about the re-edits of Volume 1.

Hey, if it were up to me, if I had the rights to TMNT, I wouldn't be screwing with the tones. Far from it. But I'm not, and I give Laird his due.

*Spitfire* · 05-20-2007, 02:46 AM

I personally can't wait till Mirage releases their new line of coloring books. I always wanted coloring books in the Mirage style.

*VaughnMichael* · 05-20-2007, 02:50 AM

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Sparvid · 05-23-2007, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

At the end of the day, it's Peter's book. His intellectual property. He can do whatever he wants with it, and who are we to say, "Yo Pete, this ain't right!"

I'm more like, "Hey, Pete! See this money that I was planning on spending on the upcoming reprints, even though I own the old TPBs? Well, I have no interest of the un-toned versions, so I'm going to go ahead and spend it on something else."

Hmmm, I wonder if they'll re-release BTAS DVDs with the painted backgrounds replaced with solid blacks someday..?

*DrSpengler* · 05-23-2007, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Sparvid

I'm more like, "Hey, Pete! See this money that I was planning on spending on the upcoming reprints, even though I own the old TPBs? Well, I have no interest of the un-toned versions, so I'm going to go ahead and spend it on something else."

Like he cares. Laird seems to get off on screaming "I LOSE MONEY ON THE BOOK, IT'S A GIFT FOR THE FANS!11!" I actually get the feeling the guy likes losing money, considering how frequently he plays that card.

*Roseangelo* · 05-23-2007, 09:10 AM

It does make it really frustrating to be a fan. If you don't like the content of the comic books, he tells you "Don't like it? Don't buy it." And if you then don't buy the books and the books loose money, he still doesn't care. It makes it impossible to have even a whisper of a voice as a fan. It's not (incredibly) reasonable to expect him to do as we ask when we write a letter, but we should still have a voice when it comes to sales and the lack of sales should make a difference.

When Fast Forward was announced last year I made the decision to not buy a single FF toy. Now, it is apparently poor toy sales that have had influence in FF's likely lack of a future. It kinda makes me happy for my own little personal boycott decision.

But with the comics? Whether you're talking with a pen, a keyboard, your voice, or your wallet... you're just talking to a brick wall.

~~ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael~~ · 05-23-2007, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DrSpengler

Like he cares. Laird seems to get off on screaming "I LOSE MONEY ON THE BOOK, IT'S A GIFT FOR THE FANS!11!" I actually get the feeling the guy likes losing money, considering how frequently he plays that card.

Look, the dude is basically doing this book for the hell of it. He knows this thing isn't pulling in anywhere near the sales Spider-Man and X-Men are, but he's just doing it for anyone who wants to read it. He's not making anything on the books, he can basically anytime he feels like it.

He's under no pressure to get this book out every month, he's just doing it for anyone intrested. So instead of bitching, why no try shuting up and enjoying it.

*DrSpengler* · 05-23-2007, 04:56 PM

Criticism =/= Bitching

And furthermore, I have no qualms when it comes to pointing out the man's hypocrisy, whether you like it or not. Every issue he tells people not to buy his book then turns around and moans that it's not making any money. It may hurt your feelings when someone points out that the only one to blame for Vol. 4's financial woes is Laird-himself, but all your "bitching" about my "bitching" isn't going to change facts.

So yeah, get over it. You may worship the man but that doesn't make him infallable.

*Roseangelo* · 05-23-2007, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael

So instead of bitching, why no try shuting up and enjoying it.

Enjoying what? He's not actually producing anything right now and he doesn't seem to have any plans to start anytime soon. If Peter isn't going to continue Vol. 4, he should hire someone who can produce a monthy or bi-monthly book. I think it's stupid that we don't get a continuing storyline because Peter doesn't currently have the time/inspiration to work on it.

When Vol. 4 started there was not yet a new TV series, let alone a movie, and so Peter had plenty of time to spend working on a comic book. At this point in time, the comic sort of was like a gift to the fans. There was absolutely nothing else happening with TMNT at the time, so this was all we had.

Times change and situations change. Now the wheels on the franchise are slowly churning again and of course there's going to be a ton of stuff that takes up his time to the point where he can't work on a comic book. But can you even say it's realistic for a co-creator of what is now a world-wide property to continue working on the related comic book? Does Spider-Man require Stan Lee's fulltime attention to get published every month? Hell no.

Now there is a TV series, a movie, and there is demand for TMNT comic books. The books would sell and make money if they came out on a regular schedule and if they told stories that stayed true to the characters and stories that were told in the early issues of Vol. 1 that launched the whole darned thing in the first place.

I'm with DrSpengler that I can't create excuses for Peter just because he's co-creator. It's earnest critisism and it's something everyone has to deal with in life. Heck, most people I know would prefer earnest critisism for something before it got beyond the point of no return, which I fear has probably already happened for Vol. 4.

~~ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael~~ · 05-24-2007, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Roseangelo

I'm with DrSpengler that I can't create excuses for Peter just because he's co-creator. It's earnest critisism and it's something everyone has to deal with in life. Heck, most people I know would prefer earnest critisism for something before it got beyond the point of no return, which I fear has probably already happened for Vol. 4.

There's earnest criticism, and then there's just being petty.

The Shelf · 05-24-2007, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Roseangelo

Does Spider-Man require Stan Lee's fulltime attention to get published every month? Hell no.

Perhaps not, but Spider-man would be a heckuva lot better if he was. Don't get me wrong, Spider-man is still fun and entertaining, but the quality of the stories and especially the character development have certainly gone downhill since Stan left. I guess that's open to debate and personal opinion, though.

In any case, one of the coolest things about Volume 4 is that it has been written completely by one of the turtles founders. You may argue that it's not good for the franchise, but it certainly is unique in the comics industry, and I would prefer to keep it that way as long as possible. I'm not happy having to wait for Peter to get around to Volume 4 again either, but I'm happy with what he's written so far, so what gives me the right to complain? Criticism is great and all, but when you do it week after week after week, it gets old and turns into complaining rather than criticism.

I'm not knocking on anyone in particular, but if the things Peter is doing are actually making you angry or frustrated, then I think it would be wise to find a new hobby. I don't mean abandon the turtles altogether, but find something else to take your mind off them.

*Roseangelo* · 06-19-2007, 12:05 AM

I keep finding myself linking to the posts where I gave the comparison between the original #1 and the new version. It's a pain in the butt to keep looking for the posts, so I threw everything onto a webpage, which you can see here.

(This is not an effort to reopen the debate, so please don't.)

*Andrew NDB* · 06-19-2007, 12:54 AM

To be fair, if Bob Kane were still alive, and he booted out all of the people currently working on the Batman comics, I'm not certain the mass majority of today's Batman fans would approve of the kind of material we might get (Batman shooting criminals dead with his handgun and laughing about it, the Bat Hound and Bat-Mite and all that stuff).

It's all relative.

05-20-2007, 02:46 AM	#143
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05-23-2007, 09:10 AM	#147
Roseangelo Emperor Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: California Posts: 9,113	It does make it really frustrating to be a fan. If you don't like the content of the comic books, he tells you "Don't like it? Don't buy it." And if you then don't buy the books and the books loose money, he still doesn't care. It makes it impossible to have even a whisper of a voice as a fan. It's not (incredibly) reasonable to expect him to do as we ask when we write a letter, but we should still have a voice when it comes to sales and the lack of sales should make a difference. When Fast Forward was announced last year I made the decision to not buy a single FF toy. Now, it is apparently poor toy sales that have had influence in FF's likely lack of a future. It kinda makes me happy for my own little personal boycott decision. But with the comics? Whether you're talking with a pen, a keyboard, your voice, or your wallet... you're just talking to a brick wall. __________________ www.ninjapizza.net www.colorsbyrosemary.com

06-19-2007, 12:05 AM	#153
Roseangelo Emperor Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: California Posts: 9,113	I keep finding myself linking to the posts where I gave the comparison between the original #1 and the new version. It's a pain in the butt to keep looking for the posts, so I threw everything onto a webpage, which you can see here. (This is not an effort to reopen the debate, so please don't.) __________________ www.ninjapizza.net www.colorsbyrosemary.com

06-19-2007, 12:54 AM	#154
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,426	To be fair, if Bob Kane were still alive, and he booted out all of the people currently working on the Batman comics, I'm not certain the mass majority of today's Batman fans would approve of the kind of material we might get (Batman shooting criminals dead with his handgun and laughing about it, the Bat Hound and Bat-Mite and all that stuff). It's all relative. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

05-20-2007, 02:50 AM	#144
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05-23-2007, 04:56 PM	#149
DrSpengler Foot Elite Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 4,842	Criticism =/= Bitching And furthermore, I have no qualms when it comes to pointing out the man's hypocrisy, whether you like it or not. Every issue he tells people not to buy his book then turns around and moans that it's not making any money. It may hurt your feelings when someone points out that the only one to blame for Vol. 4's financial woes is Laird-himself, but all your "bitching" about my "bitching" isn't going to change facts. So yeah, get over it. You may worship the man but that doesn't make him infallable.