Why do long-time fans still have mixed reactions to Nick's TMNT?

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

And you're saying 2k12 Mikey doesn't suffer from the same problem?

More like everybody else. Mikey has shown his usefulness time and again, and even saved the day when it was completely left up to him.... yet everyone keeps treating him as if he's useless and good for nothing. It's like they forget all the times he helps out.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Which is something I think that needs to be worked on. Mikey's never been the sharpest knife of the tool but it has never been this blatantly portrayed before. It's rather insulting when Nick compared his intelligence to Patrick Star in one of their commercials.

[DarkLightDragon]

Oh yeah, I remember that from last year.

Then they had to say it was a tie. I may not be the biggest fan of 2012 Mikey (then again, I somehow tolerated 2k3 Mikey as he never bothered me, so excuse my unpopular opinions) but even I felt that was tad contrived for them to do.

[BubblyShell22]

Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

And you're saying 2k12 Mikey doesn't suffer from the same problem?

Not as badly as 2K3 Mikey. 2K12 Mikey isn't a conceited jerk, and while he may not learn lessons, the others suffer from that, too, but I chalk it up to the fact that they're younger in this version. In 2K3 they acted older than fifteen, so that's sort of why it bothered me that Mikey had that problem and that he constantly rubbed his win in their faces without even worrying about what the hell they all went through while there. It just irked me.

2K12 Mikey has shown how useful he is and how compassionate he is with others. That's one of the things I like about him.

[Jester]

"The heart is a soft muscle, man. A soft muscle...squish."

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

Which is something I think that needs to be worked on. Mikey's never been the sharpest knife of the tool but it has never been this blatantly portrayed before. It's rather insulting when Nick compared his intelligence to Patrick Star in one of their commercials.

Mikey doesn't have to be smart :3 I don't even mind that he's a little ignorant and doesn't get things as quick. His mind isn't that filled with knowledge but it's filled with tons of imagination! (rapping mummies, cheese demons, cowboy adventures lolz)

as long as he's competent then I'm cool with it. and Nick Mikey has been competent....and has shown to be pretty sensible even if everyone brushes him off.

now...if only if the turtles would just listen to him a little more....


also....Nick should NOT have compared Mikey to Patrick...I mean that's just insulting.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

2K12 Mikey has shown how useful he is and how compassionate he is with others. That's one of the things I like about him.

I haven't really seen him show that much compassion to some folks, like Raph.


When Raph was poisoned, all Mikey could say was "You ate my pizza, you liar." Or when Raph had an alien inside his stomach, Mikey's 'show of compassion' to him was scaring him to death by having a 'chainsaw-like' saw and threatening to cut him open. Or Raph being scared in the 'cockroach episode', Mikey showed anything but compassion.

I'm not saying Raph is an angel, not by a long shot. But at least with Raph, I've seen him show compassion to Mikey. Like Raph hugging Mikey when the character woke up (after being knocked out unconscious in an episode of the first season). Or sequences in 'Slash and Destroy." Or Raph telling him that he was a good guy, after the Bradford character turned on him.

Never really heard Mikey ever say a nice thing about Raph, come to think of it. But I've heard Raph say a couple nice things about Mikey.

Maybe the only brief time I saw something like that was when Raph was electrocuted and Mikey checked on him.

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by Ramboraph4life aka Matt

I haven't really seen him show that much compassion to some folks, like Raph.


When Raph was poisoned, all Mikey could say was "You ate my pizza, you liar." Or when Raph had an alien inside his stomach, Mikey's 'show of compassion' to him was scaring him to death by having a 'chainsaw-like' saw and threatening to cut him open. Or Raph being scared in the 'cockroach episode', Mikey showed anything but compassion.

I'm not saying Raph is an angel, not by a long shot. But at least with Raph, I've seen him show compassion to Mikey. Like Raph hugging Mikey when the character woke up (after being knocked out unconscious in an episode of the first season). Or sequences in 'Slash and Destroy." Or Raph telling him that he was a good guy, after the Bradford character turned on him.

Never really heard Mikey ever say a nice thing about Raph, come to think of it. But I've heard Raph say a couple nice things about Mikey.

Maybe the only brief time I saw something like that was when Raph was electrocuted and Mikey checked on him.

OF COURSE Raph has to say all those nice things....cause usually he says something harsh beforehand and has to make-up for it.


like when........ he was nice to him after the Bradford thing cause he was a jerk before that. Telling Mikey that no one would ever understand him was harsh man. Also....... all the loving times he has smacked Mikey.

shoot, I'd say Mikey's true compassion shows when he just brushes off everything Raph says or does to him XD

either way we all know Raph loves his brothers, but what about other people?

Mikey's shown to be both lovable and sympathetic to people that aren't his brothers

greatest example is Leatherhead~

but Mikey's also been caring to his brothers too~ like when he offered to give Leo his comic book so he wouldn't be mad. or when he hugged Leo when he came back after he left the team in Raph's hands. or even giving Raph that little lecture about being more sympathetic to Donnie's feelings for April. And of course he was totally focused on keeping Raph safe when he was poisoned.

[Technogeek29]

Both shows are a bit of a rollercoaster with Mikey if you ask me.

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by Technogeek29

Both shows are a bit of a rollercoaster with Mikey if you ask me.

ya I kinda agree.....I love Nick Mikey alot more cause even though he can be a little dumb sometimes he makes up for being kickbutt and adorable.

anyway~ I think the writers can be inconsistent with him....one moment he's getting something...then in another episode he doesn't understand something else. it's kinda weird.

(I think he's getting better this season though :3)

they need to give some of Donnie's development time to Mikey XD

[Technogeek29]

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

ya I kinda agree.....I love Nick Mikey alot more cause even though he can be a little dumb sometimes he makes up for being kickbutt and adorable.

anyway~ I think the writers can be inconsistent with him....one moment he's getting something...then in another episode he doesn't understand something else. it's kinda weird.

(I think he's getting better this season though :3)

they need to give some of Donnie's development time to Mikey XD

Yeah unless the episode is Mikey centric 2k3 Mike can really grate on your nerves, although its the other Turtles who I have a problem with when it comes Nick Mikey centric episodes. I'm afraid how dumb he might've been if it wasn't for Ciro cutting out unecessary dumb lines.

And yeah Don is my favorite Turtle but I want to see Splinter or Casey centric episodes now. I mention Raph but Slash n' Burn made up for it.

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by Technogeek29

Yeah unless the episode is Mikey centric 2k3 Mike can really grate on your nerves, although its the other Turtles who I have a problem with when it comes Nick Mikey centric episodes. I'm afraid how dumb he might've been if it wasn't for Ciro cutting out unecessary dumb lines.

And yeah Don is my favorite Turtle but I want to see Splinter or Casey centric episodes now. I mention Raph but Slash n' Burn made up for it.

it takes alot to annoy me XD Mikey even in 2003 was my fav turtle.

IDK I guess I like upbeat characters or something. but once he beat the battle nexus he was so bad! lol XD bragging left and right even though he didn't technically win fair in square, though he did beat Raph fairly. (poor Raph lol)

Nick Mikey isn't braggy UNLESS he has to tell off his brothers how he was able to do something and they didn't believe him.

(also thank you Ciro for cutting out most of Mikey's dumb lines and trying to get him smarter!! *_* you're my hero!)

[LeotheLateBloomer]

2k3 Mike is indeed boastful and has an ego problem but to say he is a conceited jerk is very untrue. Mike is always looking for ways to make people laugh. Plus his hyperactive nature and easygoing personality has always made him one of the most positive of the turtles. Mike knows when to take things seriously and never looks for a fight. And this version has also showed compassion for the likes of characters such as Leatherhead. And while he has his moments of forcing his sense of humor out or annoying his brothers, I never did feel that it was otherwise intrusive to the character for anyone to enjoy. In other words, when Mike does praise himself, it's all in good humor.

For 2k12 Mike, they downplay him as the unreliable and ignorant one of the group and I feel that they are doing it all for the sake of making people laugh of which for what the show's tone is going for, is unnecessary. Mike in this version has some unique qualities and has proven himself as an effective fighter but more often than not, they are usually overshadowed by his incompetence and impulsiveness. And one cannot use the arguments, "they are younger" or "they are teenagers" because the turtles are still the same age as all of the other interpretations. And as far as Mikey being adorable, it's not about being cute, it's about having the qualities that are not detrimental to the character and what he helps contribute to the turtles such as his unique athleticism.

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

For 2k12 Mike, they downplay him as the unreliable and ignorant one of the group and I feel that they are doing it all for the sake of making people laugh of which for what the show's tone is going for, is unnecessary. Mike in this version has some unique qualities and has proven himself as an effective fighter but more often than not, they are usually overshadowed by his incompetence and impulsiveness. And one cannot use the arguments, "they are younger" or "they are teenagers" because the turtles are still the same age as all of the other interpretations. And as far as Mikey being adorable, it's not about being cute, it's about having the qualities that are not detrimental to the character and what he helps contribute to the turtles such as his unique athleticism.

good thing he does both

anyway Mikey isn't incompetent in Nick. His brothers treat him as if he is, but he isn't. He's shown a bunch of times to help the team and has saved the day more than once with his creative thinking.

1) saved them in Parasitica
2) saved them in Squirrelanoids
3) saved them from Bradford bo--I mean Chrome dome

Mikey is very immature....but hasn't he always been? IDK...it's nothing knew. That quality about him doesn't hurt his character it just adds to his personality.

Mikey seriously needs an episode that focuses on something other than his brothers being proved wrong about him being only a goofball.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Maybe, just once, they could show some of his OTHER talents for a change? That would go a long way to helping his character development.

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Maybe, just once, they could show some of his OTHER talents for a change? That would go a long way to helping his character development.

that'd be nice. Maybe Ice cream kitty episode? or Pizzaface episode?

why does Mikey get all the weird episodes........

[MiBs]

Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

And one cannot use the arguments, "they are younger" or "they are teenagers" because the turtles are still the same age as all of the other interpretations

I think it's a very valid argument. For me it seems like the writers is actually making an effort of making them seem younger - and the way they are animated just emphasize that IMO. We see them turning 15 and going topside for the very first time in ep. 1. Leo is given the role as leader, and both he and the others have to ajust to that.
I see that as an explanation of why they don't learn their lessons right away - they have to make mistakes (and maybe making them over and over) for them to truly learn. I don't mind that they are younger this time - but I can understand why some have problems with it.

As far as the Mikey debate. I wasn't a big fan of the 2k3 version, for the same reasons as others has pointed out (especially the Battle Nexus Tournament)

2012 Mikey is a goofball, but I think it's gotten a lot better i Season 2. And I think his sillyness is actually a lot funnier than in the 2K3, and Mikey in general is much more likeable - and more competent. I give a lot of the credit to Greg Cipes way of
portraying him

[Technogeek29]

Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

2k3 Mike is indeed boastful and has an ego problem but to say he is a conceited jerk is very untrue. Mike is always looking for ways to make people laugh. Plus his hyperactive nature and easygoing personality has always made him one of the most positive of the turtles. Mike knows when to take things seriously and never looks for a fight. And this version has also showed compassion for the likes of characters such as Leatherhead. And while he has his moments of forcing his sense of humor out or annoying his brothers, I never did feel that it was otherwise intrusive to the character for anyone to enjoy. In other words, when Mike does praise himself, it's all in good humor.

For 2k12 Mike, they downplay him as the unreliable and ignorant one of the group and I feel that they are doing it all for the sake of making people laugh of which for what the show's tone is going for, is unnecessary. Mike in this version has some unique qualities and has proven himself as an effective fighter but more often than not, they are usually overshadowed by his incompetence and impulsiveness. And one cannot use the arguments, "they are younger" or "they are teenagers" because the turtles are still the same age as all of the other interpretations. And as far as Mikey being adorable, it's not about being cute, it's about having the qualities that are not detrimental to the character and what he helps contribute to the turtles such as his unique athleticism.

Everyone always forgets the notes from the underground guy. When after they froze him Mikey was the first one to feel bad for him. just looked for the 2k3 mikey thread if you want my full opinion on him.

[sdp]

This show is just so unoffensive, it does nothing particularly wrong but it does nothing different enough to set itself apart. No changing the origin of a few characters isn't enough. The show is just kind of there. The OT had the comedy, 2k3 had the dark tone. There's just nothing special about this show, its rather generic.

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by sdp

This show is just so unoffensive, it does nothing particularly wrong but it does nothing different enough to set itself apart. No changing the origin of a few characters isn't enough. The show is just kind of there. The OT had the comedy, 2k3 had the dark tone. There's just nothing special about this show, its rather generic.

I have to disagree....this show being a mix between the OT's fun and the 2k3's dark tone does make it different.

I know this has been said to death....but the turtles actually acting like teens is something new.

and the brotherly love is everywhere in this version.

I can't speak for the OT cause...well I haven't watched THAT many episodes XD

but in the 2k3 they acted more like college buddies than brothers

in the Nick show, they get on each others nerves all the time! They prank each other...they sometimes don't respect each other, but they also care about each other so much and have fun together.

IDK...I think that's something new.....it shouldn't be new seeing as thats what the show is supposed to be about....but Nick took the time to portray them like real brothers and I like that

(I've been calling out 2k3 alot...but I want everyone to know that I love that show so much! too :3 every show has it's flaws though)