New Ep Discussion: "Same As It Never Was"

[TheShowstoppa]

I would like to go into thesis of what I think this episode had to evolve around:

The battle they are talking about may very well be Exodus. That fight may have left the turtles broken. Something tells me that Splinter will take a blow, but the turtles won't falter like they did in the forseeing of "Same..." Now, the reason why Yoshi visits splinter in a vision is because he can forsee Saki making a Transmat devise. (Note that the transmat is just being finished in this episode.) This is Saki's way of getting to the Utrom home world and destroying them.

Fortunately, the events leading up to "Same..." will not happen because of the way the turtles can change their destiny. I have a feeling Donny may take charge and they will defeat Shredder and Splinter will not die like was planned. It's a sad chain of events that can all be altered as long as they destroy a) the transmat and b) Saki.

[Demented Utrom]

This episode reminded me of the old cartoon and Star wars.With Shredder invading other worlds and taking over.The Season 3 2 final episodes are shredder's death probably.

I don't think it was that voilent.I liked the episode alot.He probably is building a transmat.If Shredder is gone for good the foot should be to.A crime boss ruling the world looked a little odd.

[John 14:6]

Originally Posted by Aska_Badoura

(I like your username & sig, BTW )

Thanks!

I have to say I really like this site so far (I've only been here a few times). It's so active!

[Aska_Badoura]

I mean they did spend 1000 years traveling through the universe to capture saki in the first place so why wouldn't they return to finally finish the job.

Well, you do have a point about them maybe coming back to retrieve Saki. But I also have a feeling that would be a lot harder for them catch him now than it was back then. But maybe that's why they didn't succeed.

Or they might not have ever made it off of earth to begin with.

If the Time Scepter sent Don to a future fork of another branch, maybe. But he might still be on the same branch he started in, but further down; then everything would have happened the way it did in his time, with the addition of all this new stuff. Whee, I love this time-tree thing, thanks, Kali, for suggesting that idea! I'm going nuts with it!

hey wait, if there wasn't a telaportal device on earth, how did saki get all those utrom slaves? there was a lot of them in the sky.

If that future follows 'our' present, we may be finding that out in the next few eps, if my suspicions are correct.

The battle they are talking about may very well be Exodus. That fight may have left the turtles broken. Something tells me that Splinter will take a blow, but the turtles won't falter like they did in the forseeing of "Same..." Now, the reason why Yoshi visits splinter in a vision is because he can forsee Saki making a Transmat devise. (Note that the transmat is just being finished in this episode.) This is Saki's way of getting to the Utrom home world and destroying them.

I'm not sure if it's a transmat he's making, specifically (but obviously some sort of transport thingy), but other than that, everything you said is pretty much my thinking too. I hadn't thought about us maybe seeing the scene where Splinter defended his sons, but that was also after Don had disappeared, so we'd be talking about the timeline they're traveling now skipping one event branch and yet still retaining the branch that was supposedly built on that one. Then again, if the branches are infinite, it may not be that big a deal if some event-forks are identical even when they're on different branches. Er, well, now that I think about it, that has to be true (the identical branches), for the superhero Turtles to exist at all.. they're timeline is way on a different branch, since the world works so differently there.

I'm not making any sense at all, am I?

I have to say I really like this site so far (I've only been here a few times). It's so active!

Yeah, it's full of people who think way too much about fictional stories! *coughs, points to self*

[Kali]

Originally Posted by Aska_Badoura

If the Time Scepter sent Don to a future fork of another branch, maybe. But he might still be on the same branch he started in, but further down; then everything would have happened the way it did in his time, with the addition of all this new stuff. Whee, I love this time-tree thing, thanks, Kali, for suggesting that idea! I'm going nuts with it!

I've created a monster.

[J Legault]

Allot to expect later on about Shredder's final fate.

This episode pretty much shows what would happen if Shredder Succeeded. Of course the alternate future had a sad ending to it.

And we'll pretty much see the Turtles somehow prevent Shredder from succeeding.

Exodus sounds more exciting than before now!

[Duke]

Originally Posted by longing for leo

& in mho leo being a guardian seems a bit far fetched. i don't see it, at least. i love the morphius look, though. well, all except the glasses.

Actually I don't think it would be that far fetched. I think he probably became a guardian after splinter died and the guys broke up. Being a guardian would be his way of honoring his Sensei's memory by paying homage to Master Yoshi.

[Leonardo_Warrior_Turtle]

I would like to go into thesis of what I think this episode had to evolve around:

The battle they are talking about may very well be Exodus. That fight may have left the turtles broken. Something tells me that Splinter will take a blow, but the turtles won't falter like they did in the forseeing of "Same..." Now, the reason why Yoshi visits splinter in a vision is because he can forsee Saki making a Transmat devise. (Note that the transmat is just being finished in this episode.) This is Saki's way of getting to the Utrom home world and destroying them.

Fortunately, the events leading up to "Same..." will not happen because of the way the turtles can change their destiny. I have a feeling Donny may take charge and they will defeat Shredder and Splinter will not die like was planned. It's a sad chain of events that can all be altered as long as they destroy a) the transmat and b) Saki.

Well said. I do believe that this future showcases a future where the Turtles do lose the Exodus battle. Exodus is sounding good every second I think about it. And you know what guys? We are only a month or so from it! (Unless 4kids delays it until the Fall.)

[Aska_Badoura]

I've created a monster.

Er, yeah... I need to work more hours so I don't have so much time to think about time-travel theories.

[Orochi Chimera]

This was a really good episode but it was too short. It was a shame that Karai dispatched Leo and Raph with seemingly little effort. Too bad Leo didn't slice her in half instead of the robot. Hun was just really pathetic in this episode.

[BaldMonk]

Wahhhhh. I hate living in New Zealand... I want to see this episode... we've just finally started Season 2...

[PizzaPower]

Originally Posted by Orochi Chimera

This was a really good episode but it was too short. It was a shame that Karai dispatched Leo and Raph with seemingly little effort. Too bad Leo didn't slice her in half instead of the robot. Hun was just really pathetic in this episode.

yes, thats what I was tihnking. The episode was awesome, but very very short.

[Jester]

U know...i can just see Leo saying..."ok guys we'll all split up." and Donny saying, "I don't think that's such a good idea Leo." I think he's gonna stick to his brothers like glue...never leave them, if he's again captured he'll totally bum out, thinking that the future from "SaiNW" will happen. There's just so many ways the time line could skew...i love time travel but it's so stinkin' complcated...I do agree that leo becoming a Guardian isn't too much of a stretch, a way of kinda going into the family buisness. And could Shredder be building not only a Transmat but also his super-battle armor from the triceraton tech?? Man...this series just keeps getting better and better!!

[Buslady]

Originally Posted by Orochi Chimera

This was a really good episode but it was too short. It was a shame that Karai dispatched Leo and Raph with seemingly little effort. Too bad Leo didn't slice her in half instead of the robot. Hun was just really pathetic in this episode.

i dont think she really could have killed them that easy, their bodies are bone! That shell and plastron are solid bone underneath and pretty thick. (ack trying to get my thoughts together while fighting dizziness...ugh)
um..didn't se get leo from the back? his shell should have protected him and Raph, unless she pierced him, he should have only been injured not dead.
I see the only way she could have killed them is by decaptiation or piercing. Slicing with the sword onto a hard shell would cause serious injury...or that sword she had must've been something else...

Another thought popped into my head, why the hec did Donnie make himself some fancy do outfit and not the others? I mean, he could have given them some kind of extra protection.

After the fight was over, I expected Raph to look up and say, "Were we convincing enough?"

[R-iZZy]

^ They only recovered ONE of the Karai-Bots that Stockman had modified. If he recovered more, the others would've probably been protected.

As for killing the turtles... who knows? Technology advanced drastically within a span of 30 years. Perhaps her blade was made of a tougher metal, or maybe the blade was poison-tipped (doubtful). I guess it's all about using your imagination rather than your logical thinking.

[turtlelover]

i loved this episode and yes i did cry because of the deaths of the guys i wished thye had lived to see shredders defeat

[J Legault]

I wonder what might of happened to some other charaters we know in the series. It be a pity to think what happen to Leatherhead or the Guardians in this alternate future.

Knowing the where abouts of other charaters in this alternate future would not be good to know.

[Doppleganger]

I wonder did the turtles ever become desperate enough to get help from the stars? Maybe the Triceratons wouldn't have bothered to help out with something...so trivial in terms that they have an empire to administrate. But I can't help but wonder why didn't Master Splinter call out his Battle Nexus allies (the Daimyo) and the turtles perhaps call Traximus? If Shreddar was an interstellar force to be reckoned with like this ep said I could see the Trikes getting involved. If only to consolidate their power.

Or maybe...after the war they became peace loving dinos.

[Aska_Badoura]

Knowing the where abouts of other charaters in this alternate future would not be good to know.

Ack. No, you're right, I really don't want to know. Really, really don't want to know.

But I can't help but wonder why didn't Master Splinter call out his Battle Nexus allies (the Daimyo) and the turtles perhaps call Traximus? If Shreddar was an interstellar force to be reckoned with like this ep said I could see the Trikes getting involved. If only to consolidate their power.

Hrm. Maybe they couldn't. Maybe they did, and they were defeated. Good question...

[Doppleganger]

Hrm. Maybe they couldn't. Maybe they did, and they were defeated. Good question...

The Triceratons defeated Earth's armies with ease. And then their "Justice League". Plus Traximus is a natural born leader when it comes to rebellions. I don't think it'd be so easy to defeat them. In fact maybe he was another leader but they just didn't mention it. Or maybe they were never involved.