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Bishop is what we call, "shades of gray." He believes what he is doing is for the greater good, even if he sometimes did shady or unjust things. He was always trying to save humanity from mutants or aliens though. Same reason he tries to stop Shredder (both Ch'rell in Season 3 and then Demon Shredder)
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On topic, my main problem with the Nick show using old characters is that they don't really do anything with them. Don't get me wrong, I'm not expecting much out of characters like the Punk Frogs and Bellybomb but when you have major players like Hun and Bishop and put them in the background, then maybe you should't have used them at all.
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04-17-2017, 01:12 PM | #24 |
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That's what I mean, neatoman, all the characters were updated to fit into IDW's writing over a children's cartoon show. And that's fine, their original incarnations fit the Fred Wolf show, and the IDW versions fit their universe. But they're all still updated/changed, similar to what Nick or 4kids did, etc.
Bishop's been in quite a few episodes and he's going to appear again in the upcoming Newtralizer/Mona Lisa ep. |
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What neatoman is saying is that IDW integrated them into the narrative organically and made them even better.
Nick was just all "Memba Bishop?" "I memba!" "Memba the Neutrinos though?" |
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04-17-2017, 01:24 PM | #27 |
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He's got a brain in there somewhere.
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04-17-2017, 01:36 PM | #28 |
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Like I mentioned on another thread it's a matter of variation and deviation. I think the Nick show deviates too much that yeah they might as well not have brought them back. I haven't read IDW yet but most of those I feel are variations rather than deviations though some really are bad choices like Triceratons being mutated but maybe it works Stuff like Bishop being an Utrom seems fine by me as well.
Sometimes the personality might be ok but if the character design looks nothing like the original character why use that for that specific character? If it's a character that had a boring design then it can be fine as long as it has some redeeming features. Mona Lisa having a totally different story works fine since she was such a minor character but others it doesn't, it's really on a case by case basis. Did I like Nick bringing characters back? Yes and no. I want to see characters brought back in new incarnations of the turtles, when you have such a rich cast of characters, they need to be used but I also like seeing new characters, there needs to be a balance. And if an old character is brought back then they should resemble somewhat the original characters, some changes are fine but you have to be aware. |
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While we're on the subject... why the hell wasn't Zeno just Traximus? Swing and a miss there.
Also why Zanmoran instead of Zanramon? |
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Bishop has been handled just fine in the Nick cartoon. I enjoyed all his appearances so far, and looking forward to his Season 5 episode.
I also find it bizarre people are saying some characters only have a few episodes in the Nick cartoon, when the original cartoon, 4kids series, even Archie also only gave some characters a small handful of appearances. Shredder and whoever his henchmen are are always the ones who get the most screentime each series. In 4kids Hun was Shredder's second in command, so he got the most screentime alongside Karai and Baxter. In Nick, Tiger Claw, Rahzar, Fishface, Bebop/Rocksteady and Baxter get the most appearances, since they work for him. All the other characters were always just one off or short lived characters in every series. Slash has more appearances in the Nick cartoon than the original show or Archie, and Leatherhead has probably appeared the same amount of episodes as the 4kids version. Rat King also got 3 episodes in Nick, whereas in 4kids he only got 1 measly episode. Double standards. |
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Nick's Baxter isn't as heavily focused on as 4kids Baxter, but he's still been in 24 episodes and worked for Shredder and came up with most of the mutation plans throughout the series. |
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There's really no point to making the genie character Wyrm, did anyone honestly take a look at the design and go "He totally seems like a genie type character!"? How does anyone connect worms to genies? It's not even like the character was completely devoid of previous characterisation. The truth is, much of this is probably just some vain attempt to make it seem as if the show has more to do with previous material than it really does. The way he was written, they might as well have used Cudley, Jagwar, Nano, Stump, Hallocat, Cherubae, Null, Dreadmon, Viral, Sh'Okanabo or Triple Threat and it would have made about as much sense. |
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If Baxter wasn't voiced by an expensive star, then maybe he would of been more focus on him.
I do feel that them using expensive stars to voice characters was more important than the story itself.
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When Bebop and Rocksteady pops in halfway through season 3 it doesn't really feel organic in anyway. It happens after Shredder already had a ton of henchmen, they were created from characters who didn't seem to have anything to do with the original characters (if Zeck didn't have a purple mohawk, would you ever have guessed he would turn out to be Bebop?) and they don't seem to contribute much afterwards. So who were they appealing to by adding them? The target audience of little kids who didn't know who they were from before and already had a bunch of other characters to keep track of at that point? The periphery audience of older fans who might feel alienated by the new approach? Quote:
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