End of Mirage Group - Page 2

*Roseangelo* · 09-09-2021, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

Now THAT surprises me. And I'm also surprised that anyone could have access to enough data to make the claim! Is that still true to this day?

I can't speak for the Disney magazine covers, but in the parks they had Star Wars, Indiana Jones, and the Muppets. Disney owns the first and third now, but didn't when they were added to the parks. And they still don't own Indiana Jones.

*oldmanwinters* · 09-09-2021, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Roseangelo

I can't speak for the Disney magazine covers, but in the parks they had Star Wars, Indiana Jones, and the Muppets. Disney owns the first and third now, but didn't when they were added to the parks. And they still don't own Indiana Jones.

I don't recall any LucasFilm or Muppets characters appearing informally for picturing-taking with park goers during the three times I visited the Florida parks (prior to their Disney acquisitions), but I did get photos and autographs with the Turtles and April at the old Disney-MGM Studios park after their stage show, so maybe that's what the Mirage website had in mind.

I DO seem to remember Power Rangers making a few appearances on the old Disney Adventures magazine (which were not owned by Disney at the time) plus a variety of movie franchises like The Mask and Batman during the 1990s. The Turtles might have been the first:
https://disney.fandom.com/wiki/Disney_Adventures

*IndigoErth* · 09-09-2021, 03:51 PM

Sad. Granted, I had assumed it pretty much already had, for all intents and purposes, but still sad to see it made official.

I suppose the stock of stuff they wanted to sell off on eBay has reached its end and that'll be that.

*Andrew NDB* · 09-09-2021, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Roseangelo

I can't speak for the Disney magazine covers, but in the parks they had Star Wars, Indiana Jones, and the Muppets. Disney owns the first and third now, but didn't when they were added to the parks. And they still don't own Indiana Jones.

Don't they? I know Paramount has some distribution rights, possibly forevermore... but Disney owns the IPs, surely.

*Roseangelo* · 09-09-2021, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Don't they? I know Paramount has some distribution rights, possibly forevermore... but Disney owns the IPs, surely.

Just looked it up. I guess it was included in the Star Wars/Lucasfilm acquisition. Now I know!

*MikeandRaph87* · 09-09-2021, 04:23 PM

I only go to Miragelicensing every six weeks or so since it's just random retro figures sold on Ebay. That being said I have yet to see the message. It's sad. It's ninjaturtles.com. I remember discovering it in July 1998 on one of my earliest explorations of the internet. It was a Friday ritual for over a decade in the closing of my formative years. Like Winters despite it already being a dead studio I feel a gut punch and sadness about this.

*neatoman* · 09-09-2021, 04:45 PM

Well... Considering something I wrote this or last week, it kind of feels like nothing. Like sure, this is the official end but in any practical sense the company has been dead for a decade, it essentially didn't exist long before this news. The last time they published something new was in 2014 and that just a 30 page comic that was literally given away for free. And I literally haven't ever benefited from their direct existance ever as all my copies of Mirage Studios comics are IDW reprints, nearly all comics they could reprint legally have been reprinted by IDW anyway, I could not buy directly from them anyway because I don't live in the US, there is no secondary source to buy their publications from and the only Mirage TMNT comic I have that isn't an IDW-reprint and IDW haven't printed is one I came across used by luck. In a symbolic sense I guess it's sad but I'm not going to act like this is something to care about in any meaningful way.

The only actual meaningful question is, does Peter Laird lose the rights to finish the comic nobody here thinks he even cares to finish?

King Kahn · 09-09-2021, 05:13 PM

bit of a bummer but honestly they were just a shadow the last 12 years anyway.

Tortuglio · 09-09-2021, 08:29 PM

Saw it just now over on Facebook and came here right away.
My only question is, as a few have expressed, if this means that Peter Laird is definitely not finishing vol 4.
It was a long shot for sure, but this would be a 100% "NO" and that's a big downer really.

*Andrew NDB* · 09-09-2021, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Tortuglio

Saw it just now over on Facebook and came here right away.
My only question is, as a few have expressed, if this means that Peter Laird is definitely not finishing vol 4.
It was a long shot for sure, but this would be a 100% "NO" and that's a big downer really.

It's not so much a for sure "no," it's just not a good sign at all. Like, it wouldn't have cost much of anything to keep the light on in the "Publishing" side just in case. Which isn't to say he NEEDS the light on with Publishing to do more Vol. 4. Again, it's just not a good sign.

*Powder* · 09-09-2021, 08:43 PM

The last time we got a new Vol. 4 issue it kinda just came out of no-where. I'm not getting my hopes up at all, I don't think we'll ever see any new material again, personally, but the site shutting down has little to do with it. All Mirage had been the last decade was a liquidation sale. Most of the guys had emptied their offices & worked on stuff from home, as I understand it. One person popped in a week to ship orders, & occasionally another of the gang would pop in to grab art supplies or an old collectible. The ship sailed with the buyout in 2009, so I'm none too gutted by this. We all knew it was coming & may well have already happened ages ago. Most old-school fans did their mourning already, so to speak. Mirage will live on in our hearts & through future commissions from Dooney & fan projects featuring Lawson. I only wish I had the opportunity to see the place in person while it was still active, that would've been super cool.

*Jephael* · 09-09-2021, 09:23 PM

I was pretty taken aback when I read the news on Facebook during my break at work earlier. I even tried to contact Dan Berger about this on Facebook, though it looks as if he may have left that site, so I'm writing him an e-mail. To be completely honest, I'm more upset over the idea that Dan isn't going to bother posting the Archie comics stuff on the Mirage Group website than Volume 4 possibly never being concluded.

*IndigoErth* · 09-09-2021, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by King Kahn

they were just a shadow

Or... just a mirage.

*frank_one* · 09-09-2021, 09:45 PM

What makes me REALLY sad is Peter not updating his blog(s) since 2018. He completely disappeared from the web three years ago.

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Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Or... just a mirage.

Good one

*CyberCubed* · 09-09-2021, 09:56 PM

I mean when you stop to realize all of the Mirage staff are in their 60's now, it is pretty obvious they're all senior citizens. Within the next 15-20 years, as morbid as it sounds, most of them will be dying off. It's obvious most of them are in retirement or heading there soon.

With no TMNT comics to publish, there was nothing to do.

*oldmanwinters* · 09-09-2021, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jephael

I'm more upset over the idea that Dan isn't going to bother posting the Archie comics stuff on the Mirage Group website.

Not sure I follow what you mean.

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Within the next 15-20 years, as morbid as it sounds, most of them will be dying off.

There's no guarantee any of us will make it that long either, bud.

~~mrmaczaps~~ · 09-10-2021, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I mean when you stop to realize all of the Mirage staff are in their 60's now, it is pretty obvious they're all senior citizens. Within the next 15-20 years, as morbid as it sounds, most of them will be dying off. It's obvious most of them are in retirement or heading there soon.

With no TMNT comics to publish, there was nothing to do.

15 to 20 years? No one has that long.

*CyberCubed* · 09-10-2021, 03:51 PM

PL is 67 right now, how long do you think he'll live? He seems like he takes care of his health so I can definitely see him pushing way passed 80. Maybe 85-90.

The-Shredder · 09-10-2021, 04:33 PM

End of an era.

TMNTChris1980 · 09-10-2021, 10:12 PM

I'm looking at the end of Mirage as the literal end of the Mirage turtles, and the independent comic scene of that era. Mirage has always had that underground vibe to it. They were the punk rock of comics. They published their own stuff, worked with their friends, and made the comics they wanted to.

I know the TMNT are Nick property, and have been for close to ten years now, but Mirage was always in the background, with a possibility of V4 getting completed, or a random comic that one of the guys would do. I know that a lot have them have done Kickstarters, but to me I had always thought something new would get a Mirage release.

In this era of giant corporations owning every license, and changing them into one homogenized product, Mirage Studios serves as the benchmark for what a studio/publisher can be. Make the comics you want, with the artists you want, and don't worry about the bottom line.

09-09-2021, 04:23 PM	#26
MikeandRaph87 Jedi Master Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: JLA Satellite Headquarters Posts: 11,131	I only go to Miragelicensing every six weeks or so since it's just random retro figures sold on Ebay. That being said I have yet to see the message. It's sad. It's ninjaturtles.com. I remember discovering it in July 1998 on one of my earliest explorations of the internet. It was a Friday ritual for over a decade in the closing of my formative years. Like Winters despite it already being a dead studio I feel a gut punch and sadness about this. __________________ Michelangelo: This looks like a job for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles! Raphael: Sheesh, Mikey this ain't a cartoon!

09-09-2021, 08:43 PM	#31
Powder So tired of this place Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell Ri La Posts: 26,803	The last time we got a new Vol. 4 issue it kinda just came out of no-where. I'm not getting my hopes up at all, I don't think we'll ever see any new material again, personally, but the site shutting down has little to do with it. All Mirage had been the last decade was a liquidation sale. Most of the guys had emptied their offices & worked on stuff from home, as I understand it. One person popped in a week to ship orders, & occasionally another of the gang would pop in to grab art supplies or an old collectible. The ship sailed with the buyout in 2009, so I'm none too gutted by this. We all knew it was coming & may well have already happened ages ago. Most old-school fans did their mourning already, so to speak. Mirage will live on in our hearts & through future commissions from Dooney & fan projects featuring Lawson. I only wish I had the opportunity to see the place in person while it was still active, that would've been super cool. __________________ I'm convinced that none of you have ever experienced joy

09-09-2021, 09:23 PM	#32
Jephael That whack job behind you Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania Posts: 8,088	I was pretty taken aback when I read the news on Facebook during my break at work earlier. I even tried to contact Dan Berger about this on Facebook, though it looks as if he may have left that site, so I'm writing him an e-mail. To be completely honest, I'm more upset over the idea that Dan isn't going to bother posting the Archie comics stuff on the Mirage Group website than Volume 4 possibly never being concluded. __________________ "I like it. Simple, but effective!" Raphael; The Mean Machines - 1988 www.jephael.com Last edited by Jephael; 09-09-2021 at 09:29 PM.

09-09-2021, 03:51 PM	#23
IndigoErth Team Blue Boy Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: U.S., East Coast Posts: 15,234	Sad. Granted, I had assumed it pretty much already had, for all intents and purposes, but still sad to see it made official. I suppose the stock of stuff they wanted to sell off on eBay has reached its end and that'll be that.

09-09-2021, 05:13 PM	#28
King Kahn Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Nashville TN Posts: 629	bit of a bummer but honestly they were just a shadow the last 12 years anyway.

09-09-2021, 08:29 PM	#29
Tortuglio Thug Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Argentina Posts: 90	Saw it just now over on Facebook and came here right away. My only question is, as a few have expressed, if this means that Peter Laird is definitely not finishing vol 4. It was a long shot for sure, but this would be a 100% "NO" and that's a big downer really.

09-09-2021, 09:56 PM	#35
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,031	I mean when you stop to realize all of the Mirage staff are in their 60's now, it is pretty obvious they're all senior citizens. Within the next 15-20 years, as morbid as it sounds, most of them will be dying off. It's obvious most of them are in retirement or heading there soon. With no TMNT comics to publish, there was nothing to do.

09-10-2021, 03:51 PM	#38
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,031	PL is 67 right now, how long do you think he'll live? He seems like he takes care of his health so I can definitely see him pushing way passed 80. Maybe 85-90.

09-10-2021, 04:33 PM	#39
The-Shredder Hench Mutant Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 448	End of an era.

09-10-2021, 10:12 PM	#40
TMNTChris1980 Stone Warrior Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 603	I'm looking at the end of Mirage as the literal end of the Mirage turtles, and the independent comic scene of that era. Mirage has always had that underground vibe to it. They were the punk rock of comics. They published their own stuff, worked with their friends, and made the comics they wanted to. I know the TMNT are Nick property, and have been for close to ten years now, but Mirage was always in the background, with a possibility of V4 getting completed, or a random comic that one of the guys would do. I know that a lot have them have done Kickstarters, but to me I had always thought something new would get a Mirage release. In this era of giant corporations owning every license, and changing them into one homogenized product, Mirage Studios serves as the benchmark for what a studio/publisher can be. Make the comics you want, with the artists you want, and don't worry about the bottom line.