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The thread about the four and a half year dead period where fandom was confined to the Ring of Green and ninjaturtles.com as run by Molly Bode adn later Dan Berger? I was doing the above. Your theory has a hole in it as it tries to incorporate the crossovers with the 1987 cartoon. The '87 set have visited the Mirageverse twice and seemed like it was their first time both times. Trying to make a Krang a rejected utrom exiled to another Earth makes little sense. Not to mention the behavior of the '87 set being so cowardly and fighting pizza goblins? The two separate crossovers just cannot fit into the 1987 cartoon.
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12-12-2017, 12:42 PM | #22 | |
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Even for Mirage, Turtles Forever has an awesome depiction of their turtles but it really didn't put continuity on its priority list, as there is no way it could take place anywhere in Volume 1, Issue 1 where Shredder was still alive. Nick's depiction of Mirage on the other hand, doesn't really have any continuity errors. |
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12-12-2017, 12:50 PM | #23 | |
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I also have other ideas I can share and I also want to hear/read others of yours about the 1987 cartoon universe.
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12-12-2017, 01:09 PM | #24 | |
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I really didn't mind the Nick Turtles training their 80s counterparts since the 80s turtles did have a different fighting style dependent on cartoon physics like pushing cardboard boxes and using fire hydrants on villains. Not to mention that long after, the 80s turtles were kicking shell competently in the more realistic world of the Nick turtles later on anyway. Atleast its much more accurate than having the turtles do noogies, not take anything seriously, cower away from battle and cry after trash cans get destroyed which they never did in the old show. Me too. I intend to read your fanfiction about Red Sky tmnt soon. |
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12-12-2017, 01:18 PM | #25 | |
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So I have an in-story idea of how to get April back at Channel Six, tie Krakus in with Burne and tie him with Landor and Merrick, give Rat King an origin that makes sense of his actions down to his affinity for redheads,how to work in Agent Bishop and General Blanque, a conclusion for Dregg and Titanus and an antihero Razhar and Tokka.
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12-12-2017, 02:11 PM | #26 | |
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The amount of fighting skills and enemies the 2k3 and Nick Turtles faced were far more dangerous than anything in the original cartoon. |
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12-12-2017, 02:46 PM | #27 | |
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There was an ep where Shredder had em surrounded by tons of Foot Soldiers and they mostly did 'well, it was nice knowin ya guys' jokes when you expect the 4 of them to be able to ckean house. I would have loved a 4th wall joke where the 80s turtles realize they are no longer limited by 80s budget animation and do all sorts of sweet ninja moves and even have Mikey say 'Cowabunga, I can use my chucks again!'
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12-12-2017, 07:03 PM | #29 | |
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1987 Shredder was so limited he is the most unused potential of any villain of any TMNT incarnation. I wonder whst vicious acts he could have pilled off without any censorship.
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There were usually various government agencies in the various series looking to capture Turtles, or other mutants and aliens. Mirage and Archie comics did the same thing with the U.S. government or Darpa capturing the Turtles or aliens. It took all the way till the 4kids series to give us an actual character like Agent Bishop to basically be the main character behind these storylines.
That's probably why he worked so well among other things because before that we just had various grunts/soldiers looking to do the same thing. Dirk Savage from Season 7 is another similar concept, or Darkwater from Season 8, or Hoffman from Season 2 who went after the Punk Frogs. Bishop and the EPF essentially replaced all these lesser concepts and unified them going forward. |
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Hoffman could be the brother/step-brother of Dirk Savage, who was inspired by Hoffman and wanted to take on his relative's crusade after the mayor swept it away in embarrassment following the revelation of the shadowed crusaders alignment. Hoffman's name was mud and motivated Savage into buying into A.J. Howard's campaign. As for Hoffman returning? I would have to think about it.
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Maybe Krang's super portal generator started splitting the dimensional barrier accidentally and it permanently caused the sky to turn red? It might explain why we got a green sky in some of the outer space scenes in Season 8 and 10.
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12-14-2017, 01:17 PM | #35 | |
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About the Nick crossovers, although this is a bit off topic, I love how you can either see them as the end of the 87 show (Shredder and Krang finally captured, while B and R turn good), or as a pathway into the Red Sky seasons. I see them as both, as canonically taking place between season 7 and 8, but also as the final closure for the "Classic" era of the 80s show in a way that is happy and satisfying. |
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My impression of the changes was that it had to do with constant attacks by forces from Dimension X and that the TMNT were unable to cope with this much going on without buildings being destroyed and such. The red sky could have been the result of a failed plan to conquer the Earth.
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The Nick crossover actually does them justice by showing the technodrome absolutely decimating 3D New York City while all the military's weapons have no affect on it. They were even more dangerous in that since there was no cartoony way to beat them, and they had a much more competent mutant duo. Even the classic Foot Soldiers, who sucked in the Original Show, were very threatening in this as they held their own against the EPF, the turtles, Mighty Mutanimals and Human Foot Soldiers. |
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Of course! That is the true reason the TMNT went to the point of goofiness and Shredder/Krang were inept to getting their battle machine capable of rolling over anywhere and everywhere in exchange for ruling over it. Why was Ch'rell more threatening than Shredder? Weakened censors! Why did Shredder kill Hamato Yoshi/Splinter in his fourth attempt? Further weakened censors!
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