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02-10-2022, 07:16 PM | #1 |
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Is there anything about Rises that you appreciated/respected
For me its the fact that it did its own thing.
I liked the 2012 show but it could get frustrating how it was constantly just plugging references, reimaginings and the like of past versions particulary the 80s show. Didn't really bring much new to the table. It was especially weird how in some cases like Tokka the new version is far removed that the only thing connecting them is the name. This show featured several of its own plots and characters and respect that it wasn't constantly reminding us of the fred wolf show, but rather just be its own thing Anyone else |
02-10-2022, 07:40 PM | #2 |
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It's hard to really feel respect or appreciation for this show, but two things I give it props for:
1. They didn't make Mikey an idiot. ** However they lose points for kind of losing him in the background by making everyone else too much like him. 2. Female characters were treated like a normal part of the world, not just as a token character or a one-off appearance by a rare female character that seemed to take effort to include. |
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I have only seen halfway through season one, but here goes:
1. Making Raph the leader instead of Leo, though I wish they kept Raph as leader in the end. 2. A lot of fun new villains like Baron Draxum, Anchor Man, Hypnopotamus, Meat Sweats, etc. Seeing them all in a musical was a riot too. 3. Funniest Donatello ever. Leonardo also has his fair share of funny moments. 4. Making Raph a lovable teddy bear instead of a hothead. I find hot-headed Raph to be tiring so seeing him done differently in the first time since the 80s cartoon is so refreshing. 5. The animation and action scenes, full of colour and very stylish. 6. The voice acting, which is very memorable. None of the characters voices feel dull or out of place imo. 7. Cool and catchy theme song, even if feels a bit too familiar to 1987 and 2012. 8. Making Mikey an artist, and toning down his mania.
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02-10-2022, 08:00 PM | #4 |
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Not a single thing. I have more respect for The Next Mutation quite frankly.
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02-11-2022, 04:13 AM | #5 |
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I respect that it had good action scenes with good animation and that it doesn't fuck up it's plot the same way the 2012 show did. Those parts I genuinely respect regardless of my personal opinion.
In terms of objective criteria there isn't much I can criticise the show for. I don't think the direction it went, that is to say it being a near pure comedy often set in an underground demon city, is very good for a TMNT show. That sort of thing seems like something that would be decent for side-stories but not the primary focus. That and changes like having Raph use a tonfa instead of sai just screams of change for the sake of change, not really something you should do. That said there is one aspect of Rise's direction I do appreciate, it doesn't try to clone the Fred Wolf cartoon like so many of other Viacom projects. The closest it gets is making the Mutagen turn people into animals. Not an automatic win exactly but it's probably for the best that the show never had Reporter April, the Technodrome, Krang, Dimension X or really most of that stuff. And yes, the middle finger to anyone who expected Bebop and Rocksteady to show was very appreciated. |
02-11-2022, 11:12 AM | #6 |
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No, nothing.
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02-11-2022, 02:33 PM | #7 |
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absolutely nothing.
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02-12-2022, 11:44 AM | #8 |
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How did it f-ck up its plot?
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02-12-2022, 08:45 PM | #9 |
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It's a little difficult to explain how the 2012 show's plot didn't really work in a simple way, if I had to explain it as briefly as possible it would be that it was rather thin and repetitive. While I understand the 2012 show is more well liked, it doesn't actually work as a whole. So even if the show got over 120 episodes, everything it wanted to could probably have fit neatly within about 40 episodes, maybe even as few as 25. I say this because it goes through the same few beats several times over.
I think the best way to demonstrate this is with isolating character arcs, this could be a bit lengthy so I'm putting it under spoiler tags: Spoiler:
It's mostly little things that span over the whole series, not so much something I can pick out a single episode to demonstrate the problem. It's kind of like of the show was a brick house made without mortar, you know, might look solid but is clearly unstable on closer inspection. I don't expect anyone to just get if they're just casually watching the show. Ultimately, the 2012 show has a really weird and yanky plot. It clearly wants to have a plot but what it has seems like it was intended for a much shorter show and whoever was in charge didn't seem to have the confidence to expand upon it properly. Even worse than that, didn't even bother to explore the natural outcomes of what got established. |
02-12-2022, 05:20 AM | #10 |
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It ended...
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02-12-2022, 08:49 AM | #11 |
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Wasn't for me but I respect the work that went into the action scenes and storyboarding. Electric.
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02-12-2022, 10:40 AM | #12 |
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Overall I liked it, and it got me back into TMNT after a long time away. I thought the characters were enjoyable and entertaining. I can agree that with how 'out there' they were that some of their personality traits made them feel samey at times. The animation was awesome, especially the 'key' battles...and trust me I am a sucker for those amazing combat scenes.
I also appreciated that they just tried to take the base idea, and do their own thing. We got new characters and integrated concepts not typically associated with the TMNT I grew up with (the old cartoon, rather then the Comics) |
02-17-2022, 02:21 AM | #13 |
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I only watched the first like 3 episodes, and some clips on youtube of later episodes. That's how much I didn't like it. So I can only go based on that.
I thought the action was super fun and I liked the energy. I mean it didn't feel like what I want from TMNT action, but was it well done: yes. That's all I have to say. Glad it's done, time to move on. I hope the industry learned some kind of lesson from the disasters of Thundercats Roar and Rise of the TMNT, and projects similar to these. There are ways to properly reboot old properties, and those were not examples of how. |
02-17-2022, 03:03 AM | #14 |
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Yeah, I can't say anything good about it. There are plenty of good TMNT versions to enjoy and this wasn't one of them.
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02-17-2022, 03:23 AM | #15 |
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The Sakuga was good.
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02-18-2022, 11:58 AM | #16 |
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Honestly, some of the comedy could be pretty funny. I am just watching it now with my 3 year old son, and I find myself laughing at certain parts. Overall it's definitely not my cup of tea for Ninja Turtles, but I do laugh from time to time so I appreciate that a bit.
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02-18-2022, 12:15 PM | #17 |
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Honestly, some of the comedy could be pretty funny. I am just watching it now with my 3 year old son, and I find myself laughing at certain parts. Overall it's definitely not my cup of tea for Ninja Turtles, but I do laugh from time to time so I appreciate that a bit.
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05-15-2022, 02:44 PM | #18 |
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I do like the visual style, I think they did a great job on that. It's very vibrant and comic-esque, I really dig it.
However, I feel like it was a bit too early for another TMNT cartoon. Which is probably what killed it. People just barely got off Nick TMNT and I would argue that many were ''burned out'' at that point, myself included. Also it is becoming increasingly difficult to come up with good ideas for new series. |
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