Dragon Ball Daima

[Coola Yagami]

The funny thing about those unseen tournaments where we assume the fighters drop the fight against Satan, is that they have to make sure Vegeta never makes it to the finals. I just don't see Vegeta playing along and throwing the fight to Satan.

[CyberCubed]

What on earth are people talking about? The original 13 movies are meant to be non-canon side stories (besides maybe Garlic Jr. for the Garlic Jr. saga to make sense in the anime, just pretend Krillin is shocked again seeing Gohan). GT has always been non-canon (especially now that Super exists it can't fit in).

Daima and Super are the official continuation of DBZ. The last 3 eps with Uub are likely just going to have some slight alterations to the dialogue whenever they get brought back into the story but for the most part everything can be left as is.

And Vegeta saying "I'll surpass you someday" to Goku makes sense. Goku still has Ultra Instinct which is assumingly above wherever Vegeta is up to at that point.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Goku still has Ultra Instinct which is assumingly above wherever Vegeta is up to at that point.

Actually with Ultra Ego, Vegeta is pretty much on par with Goku now.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Cowabung-Gal

Actually with Ultra Ego, Vegeta is pretty much on par with Goku now.

And Black Freeza made them both his bitch.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Cowabung-Gal

Vegeta could’ve resisted Babidi’s influence, but he wanted to surpass Goku at all costs and gave in to the temptation. I’d say he had low self-control himself.

The point is more so that Babidi was an unforeseen factor.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Originally Posted by neatoman

The point is more so that Babidi was an unforeseen factor.

There was also the time when Vegeta destroyed the Punching Machine, when he was supposed to suppress his strength like everyone else.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

And Black Freeza made them both his bitch.

Nobody cares about the manga. If those arcs ever get anime adapted they'll be completely different. Just look at how different the manga Tournament of Power is, the only thing that's the same is the climax.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Nobody cares about the manga.

Nobody?

The manga sold 500,000 copies in the US in 2022. I can only imagine how much the volume with Toriyama’s final contribution will sell, if it ever gets published that is.

[Coola Yagami]

Seems the crap dub will premiere on November 10. Guess their original worldwide premiere that was supposed to air in both Japan and US at the same time (or as close as one can give the huge time difference) fell through.

As for nobody caring about the manga, you know most American dub fans don't like to read manga or watch any anime that isn't known Adult Swim. DB is as casual and normie as it gets.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Seems the crap dub .

?

The FUNI dubs have been good for over a decade now. We aren't in 1998 anymore where episodes are cut/censored and have the music changed with mediocre voice acting. This isn't 25 years ago.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

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The FUNI dubs have been good for over a decade now. We aren't in 1998 anymore where episodes are cut/censored and have the music changed with mediocre voice acting. This isn't 25 years ago.

Still too many Americanisms for my taste. Part of the problem is DB is still considered a kids property so they can't be bothered, while other anime like FMA and Death Note (yes I know Funi didn't do Death Note but just an example) are treated much more seriously and dubbed better. Like I get that technically DB is a kids property and it's silly at times, but when it's serious let it be serious. The kids in Japan didn't need a bunch of references and dated jokes to follow the story and characters.

While we're still way better than 1998, DB still still has a ways to go when you compare how other anime are dubbed more seriously. Vegeta calling Goku a clown for example, which has become a bit a dub running gag but was never in the original anime.

Like the recent DBZ Sparking Zero had Kid Trunks say 'no cap' which wouldn't happen if it was a Jujutsu Kaizen game or some other anime that's taken more seriously.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Still too many Americanisms for my taste. Part of the problem is DB is still considered a kids property so they can't be bothered, while other anime like FMA and Death Note (yes I know Funi didn't do Death Note but just an example) are treated much more seriously and dubbed better. Like I get that technically DB is a kids property and it's silly at times, but when it's serious let it be serious. The kids in Japan didn't need a bunch of references and dated jokes to follow the story and characters.

While we're still way better than 1998, DB still still has a ways to go when you compare how other anime are dubbed more seriously. Vegeta calling Goku a clown for example, which has become a bit a dub running gag but was never in the original anime.

Like the recent DBZ Sparking Zero had Kid Trunks say 'no cap' which wouldn't happen if it was a Jujutsu Kaizen game or some other anime that's taken more seriously.

There's a few minor alterations sure, but otherwise the scripts since Kai have been much better than before. This isn't late 90's or early 2000's FUNimation. Kai, Super, the games, and Daima all have good dubs.

It is true some of the name translations like "Master Roshi" and "Tien" have stuck around, but it's too late to change them now. At least Hercule is now called Mr. Satan all the time in the dub unlike before.

[neatoman]

This was a silly change.

All he did was laugh, why even bother with this?

[CyberCubed]

Because it was 1999. The anijme landscape was completely different in the west back then. They flat out said they tried to inject more jokes into the show and put their own spin on things. Back then animes were "adaptions" instead of being faithful. Look at Sailor Moon, Pokemon, etc. and all other 90's anime dubs. They basically turned the Japanese version into a completely different product.

[neatoman]

Now we have the opening and ending.



And the second episode is also out. Apparently the next couple of episodes will be about Goku and the Kaioshin tagging along with a new character named Glorio, with the rest joining later.

Spoiler:

Right, so the new information we have here is:

• Not everyone with pointy ears are from the demon realm but most can be assumed to be, so I guess Pilaf is off the table of potential demons.
• Shenlong apparently only grants more than one wish if he knows the summoner from before, otherwise it's just one wish.
• Namekians originally had a decent planet in the demon realm but left due to not liking the management.
• The reason the demon realm has limited access to the outside world is because too many left.
• Dende has been moved to the demon realm by Degesu and Gomah, which will apparently prevent the earth Dragon Balls from being restored.
• The Kaioshin arrived in Universe 7 in a spaceship, not sure why he needed one but it's necessary to get into the demon realm.
• Piccolo does more or less seem to think of himself as the nameless Namekian, in case that wasn't obvious.
• Neva deliberately stayed behind to protect the demon realm Dragon Balls.
• Glorio was allegedly sent by the king of the demon realm's third planet, who seemingly is not the same person as Gomah, but Kaioshin doubts Glorio's story.
• Mr. Popo has horns, he's not human. We knew he wasn't human, but some people seem to think he is and this confirms that he is not.

[Coola Yagami]

At least the ending theme shows that Bulma, Vegeta and Piccolo will be coming along for the trip later on, so it's promising that it's not gonna be just the Goku show this time around. Vegeta is a given, but hopefully they can remember that Piccolo was Akira's favorite and he gets some decent scenes too.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

At least the ending theme shows that Bulma, Vegeta and Piccolo will be coming along for the trip later on, so it's promising that it's not gonna be just the Goku show this time around. Vegeta is a given, but hopefully they can remember that Piccolo was Akira's favorite and he gets some decent scenes too.

I think it's more of a question about whether Toriyama himself remembered Piccolo was his favourite, considering he wrote the plot of this show. And considering the revelation about the Namekians we already have here, not to mention Piccolo's prominence in the last movie, I'd say it's fair to assume he'll have a larger role.

Interesting thing to note, Toriyama was apparently dissatisfied with almost every character expression drawn by Toyotaro in the last page of the manga before the current hiatus, so that final page is basically all drawn by Toriyama, and wouldn't you know it, the focus is of Piccolo waving goodbye. The last manga page he (was confirmed to have) drawn was mainly of Piccolo.

Anyway, what qualifies as having had a hand in defeating Boo? If the wish is to be believed then Maron did too as she turned into a baby, which is strange considering how little she did, Chi-Chi at least slapped Boo. And let's also remember here that most of the people turned into children here didn't really do much, they just kinda hung out at the lookout until Boo burst out of the room of spirit and time to turn them into candy.

The ones who actively fought Boo were:

1. Goku
2. Vegeta
3. Goten
4. Trunks
5. Gotenks (if you want to count him as his own character)
6. Vegito (ditto)
7. Piccolo (if you count that volleyball assistance)
8. Gohan
9. Good Boo
10. Dabra
11. Kaioshin (as feeble as it may have been)
12. Tenshinhan

The ones who had a role somehow but didn't directly fight Boo were:

1. Everyone who contributed ki.
2. Mr. Satan, as he played a role in creating Good Boo and gathering the ki.
3. Baba, as she brought Vegeta to earth for that purpose.
4. Enma, for preventing Vegeta from reincarnating.
5. Kuririn, in helping with Goten and Trunks' training.
6. Old Kaioshin, in helping Gohan's training.
7. Kibito, in allowing for better teleportation.
8. Dende, in aiding with the Dragon Balls on Namek.
9. The other Namekians in lending the Dragon Balls.
10. Popo, in saving Dende.
11. Videl, in being the cause Boo was even willing to wait for Goten and Trunks.
12. Chi-Chi slapped Boo.

These lists mostly align but raises a few questions. The most characters like Yamcha really did was help collect the Dragon Balls to revive everyone killed at the Tournament, which does revive Kibito and that was important if a bit indirect. And course, all Earthlings helped with the Genki Dama and the Namekians collected their Dragon Balls, so... Yeah...

[CyberCubed]

I'm sure he just meant "Goku's friends" with is vague. Tien/Chiaotzu and Yajirobe should be kids too but we didn't see them, let alone Gohan and Videl. Hell even Bulma's parents could count under this and we didn't see them either.

Overall though I doubt we'll see any of them besides maybe Gohan later so I guess it doesn't really matter. An interesting thing is neither Korin nor the Turtle were regressed in age, although you probably couldn't tell. Maybe Baba wasn't affected either but she might not even show up.

[Coola Yagami]

The wish specifically says to turn people involved in the fight against Majin Buu 'and their friends' into children. So that includes Roshi, Gyu Mao and Chichi.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

The wish specifically says to turn people involved in the fight against Majin Buu 'and their friends' into children. So that includes Roshi, Gyu Mao and Chichi.

So by that logic Tien should be affected as he actually fights Super Buu. And if people like Ox King or Oolong got turned into kids when they did nothing but get eaten by Super Buu on Kami's lookout, then naturally everyone besides maybe Yajirobe or Bulma's parents should be changed.