Dragon Ball Daima

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

So by that logic Tien should be affected as he actually fights Super Buu. And if people like Ox King or Oolong got turned into kids when they did nothing but get eaten by Super Buu on Kami's lookout, then naturally everyone besides maybe Yajirobe or Bulma's parents should be changed.

For all we know, maybe they did too.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

So by that logic Tien should be affected as he actually fights Super Buu. And if people like Ox King or Oolong got turned into kids when they did nothing but get eaten by Super Buu on Kami's lookout, then naturally everyone besides maybe Yajirobe or Bulma's parents should be changed.

For all we know, maybe they did too. So far they only showed the people at the party. They didn't even bother to cut away to Gohan and Videl when they should be affected too.

[Cowabung-Gal]

“Just be glad we’re not doing Dragon Ball GT”

[neatoman]

Alright, I don't know much this qualifies as a retcon, considering it only contradicts the guidebooks and those are notoriously weird, but we did get a new origin for the Kaioshin.

According the guidebooks, the Kaios and Kaioshins are "Shinjin" which are metamorphosed from fruit growing on planet "Kaishin", with the evil ones being cast into the demon realm. According the latest episode however, the Kaioshin is part of a race called the "Glind" and came from the second world of the demon realm

[Coola Yagami]

Pretty chill third episode. World building, lore exploring, and Goku getting used to his smaller body.

[CyberCubed]

Given this series is assumed to be only 20-26 episodes, a standard season length, I'm guessing a lot of the action will be in the later portion of the series.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Given this series is assumed to be only 20-26 episodes, a standard season length, I'm guessing a lot of the action will be in the later portion of the series.

I'm thinking more traditional martial arts and bojitsu when it's just Goku... then turning Super Saiyan and energy blasts whenever Vegeta and Piccolo join them.

[CyberCubed]

It's really dumb Krillin isn't apart of this, seeing kid Goku and Krillin together would bring back the DB nostalgia. Granted maybe there might be a subplot on Earth for the rest of the cast, it'd be weird if they made these kid/chibi designs for everyone and they just get like 2 eps of screentime.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

It's really dumb Krillin isn't apart of this, seeing kid Goku and Krillin together would bring back the DB nostalgia. Granted maybe there might be a subplot on Earth for the rest of the cast, it'd be weird if they made these kid/chibi designs for everyone and they just get like 2 eps of screentime.

That is what I'm hoping for. Some sort of Earth subplot.

[neatoman]

So there's definitely going to be a new type of fusion down the line, what with those bugs.

[CyberCubed]

I see some complaints online these eps are getting a bit "slow" and too lore heavy, but I actually like it. This isn't DBZ or Super and it's more like early Dragon Ball (or even GT), so I do not expect big fights at all until maybe the end of the show. I do think the plot has to move on a bit and I hope it's not just Goku exploring more towns without anything bigger happening.

My guess is the first 10-13 eps will be Goku and his group alone, then the last 13ish will be when Vegeta/Piccolo/Bulma join them. They'll probably want to focus on Glorio and Pansy more before other characters come.

[neatoman]

I know the outlines he wrote for the Zamasu arc and the second Tournament must be really vague, given how radically different the manga and anime versions of those stories are, but there's clearly more there than just supplying base ideas. Obviously huge portions of the TV show version were just made up by Toei's staff, it's really doubtful that aliens challenging Satan, goo clone Vegeta, Goku ordering a hit on himself and Gohan shooting a Saiyaman movie came from him but we still know that the core of the Beerus, Gold Freeza, Tournament with U6, Zamasu and Tournament of Power arcs came from him.

[CyberCubed]

His only real outlines for the TOP was "Goku goes Ultra Instinct at some point" and the ending with Goku/Freeza beating Jiren with Android 17 left in the ring.

The fact that even the Kefla fight is completely different between anime to manga proves Toriyama didn't even have any plans for them. The anime did it much better since Goku vs. the two girls is one of the best fights from the tournament overall. And everything else was likely just made up on the fly, besides maybe Vegeta against Toppo, etc.

It's honestly a shame. Toriyama should have had clear outlines for all the main characters and who they fight so it would be consistent, but it's clear looking at what the anime and manga did that it was all left up in the air for the writers to do whatever they wanted as long as the climax was the same.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by sdp

I love seeing the Super **** seething over Daima and some pretending to like it. Fact is most Americans just don't like the original dragon ball because they grew up with DBZ unlike Asia, europe and the rest of the world.
You can tell Toriyama didn't like Super and just gave toei some ideas for them to develop like he used to for the DBZ movies. So when he decided to continue making something new for Dragon Ball that was more from him, he decided to set it before super so he could completely ignore all of that except for perhaps some idea he might've liked which he could reference. I love the early DB feels it gives me, it doesn't quite feel like original dragon ball but it's loads better than whatever Super was supposed to be.

The only 'Super' reference was that it was mentioned that Goku and the crew live in the 7th universe, which the concept of different universes didn't exist til Battle of Gods/Super.

As for the 'slow' pace, you can tell these are fake fans. They are entering a whole new world, so lore and world building is important. Even DBZ didn't just jump straight to the action. The Freeza saga had a lot of Gohan and Krillin running around and avoiding fights before we'd have Goku fight Freeza. Likewise, there was a lot of 'trying to locate the Androids', 'chasing Gero to his lab' and 'going through empty towns to find Cell' and whatnot before we got to the actual Cell Games.

I'm assuming by the time Goku gets to the Tamagamas, he'll be fully used to his smaller body and the heavy air in the demon realm and we'll see more of the more fast-paced warp all over the place, ki blast spamming DBZ style fighting. I do like the combination of Goku not being synched with his smaller self as well as the heavier air forcing him to rely more on his martial arts skills.

[neatoman]

So while it's pretty obvious that Goku and friends will restore their ages by the end to preserve continuity, the question is how far down the line will it be? Are they going to remain children until the final episode or will it be like halfway through?

[CyberCubed]

Goku will obviously stay a kid till the final ep. Also in-universe this whole adventure probably doesn't take more than a month, tops. 10 days passed already from the wish before Goku went to the demon realm, I doubt this whole thing is more than a month. So everything fits into the timeline.

The Beerus movie if I remember right was 5 years after the end of the Buu saga, as Gohan and Videl are married and out of high school.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Goku will obviously stay a kid till the final ep. Also in-universe this whole adventure probably doesn't take more than a month, tops. 10 days passed already from the wish before Goku went to the demon realm, I doubt this whole thing is more than a month. So everything fits into the timeline.

The Beerus movie if I remember right was 5 years after the end of the Buu saga, as Gohan and Videl are married and out of high school.

It might have been the intention for the Beerus story to take right in the middle of the time skip but Super does seem to change that in both the TV show and manga version. The show says that it has been six months since the defeat of Majin Boo so they could wish for earth to forget about him, and then "months" after that. The manga version doesn't even definitely state that it's been a while since Majin Boo has been forgotten, so it's technically possible that hadn't happened yet there.

Technically though, the six months thing is one of Toriyama's errors. When the Dragon Balls were used to bring everyone Vegeta killed, Dende said it would take four months for the Dragon Balls to be restored, it's only Goku who says it needs to be six months later on. If we assume it's four months rather than six and that it's always four months since each time only one wish is granted, then we can make a timeline like this:

1. Four months after Majin Boo is defeated, the memories are wiped (four months since Majin Boo was defeated).
2. Four months after that, Bulma gathers the Dragon Balls for the bingo tournament and Goku uses them to find out about God (eight months since Majin Boo was defeated).
3. Four months again and Sorbet wishes for Freeza to return and Pilaf for some money, this would probably reset the waiting time to a year (one year exactly since Majin Boo was defeated).
4. Four months pass and Freeza returns to Earth where he is killed again (one year and four months).
5. Let's assume one month later when Champa shows up to challenge Beerus to keep the counting simple (one year and five months).
6. The whole Zamasu thing can be assumed to happen in a fairly short period of time and his Dragon Ball wish does not count due to time travel, let's round it up to one month again (one year and six months).
7. The Super Dragon Balls were used once again at the end of the Tournament and let's not discount the time we assume the Zamasu arc too place in to allow for them to be gathered again (two years and six months).
8. The Broly movie has to take place at least one year after Sorbet and Pilaf used the Dragon Balls and luckily the Earth Dragon Balls were never explicitly used after that, so let's just assume one more month after the Tournament (two years and seven months).
9. The Moro arc is really vague about the passage of time but let's just assume four months since the Namekian Dragon Balls are used twice (three years and one month).
10. The Granolah arc is really vague and has multiple tiny time skips but let's assume five months since the end of Moro to the end of Granolah (three years and six months).

Keep in mind that this would be the minimum amount of time rounded up, with the time since Majin Boo's defeat being discounted here, it would still be three years and two months. This can still technically all happen within the last five years of the original timeskip before the ending, but it's still a bit tight.

[Coola Yagami]

It's just weird cause that's an awful lot of 'sagas' to happen to them in the 5 or so years between Buu and Uub.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

It's just weird cause that's an awful lot of 'sagas' to happen to them in the 5 or so years between Buu and Uub.

Well, it's kind of easy to forget due to how many time skips there are in the series, but most of the arcs are fairly short from an in-universe perspective. Here is another list to put this into perspective:

1. The exact amount of time it took to initially collect the Dragon Balls is unknown but had to happen within 30 days.
2. The first tournament took about a single day.
3. The entire Red Ribbon arc takes place during the course of about one week.
4. The second tournament takes place in a single day (yes, I know the anime extended it but that's not what counts).
5. The Piccolo arc starts the same day and ends the day after that.
6. The third Tournament also takes place in about a single day.
7. Raditz showing up and his comrades showing up a year later also collectively takes a day or so.
8. The interlude between the defeat of Vegeta and the month long trip to Namek is about a week too.
9. Namek itself is about a week based on the time it took Goku to get there.
10. The bit about Trunks killing Freeza and explaining what will happen takes less than a day too.
11. From the Gero's attack to Goku stepping out of the room of spirit and time, it takes about three days.
12. The Cell games themselves are held in a single day.
13. The high school thing lasted three days.
14. The entire Majin Boo thing is about two days.

Discounting time skips and montages, this means we see about two months total of the characters' lives. And even this pretends we saw all of the 30 days the Pilaf arc could have taken place during, we only actually see about five days there if Bulma changes clothes once per day unless forced to wear only one outfit, so it's really more like five days in that case. So one month and a week.

[CyberCubed]

Today's ep confirmed the lore from the guidebooks that Supreme Kai and all the Kai's are born from trees, and they don't have real genders. This explains why so many Kai's exist, and that most of them if born from the same tree are related. I wonder if this means for the lower Kai's like King Kai and the other 3 as well.

The bull guy in this ep was funny, typical Toriyama gag. We see kid Goku Super Saiyan properly fight for the first time although brief.