Laird now "hopes to finish" volume 4

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

It wouldn't surprise me if Mike was going to be the father.

It'd give odds 60/40. 60 that he isn't the father, 40 that he is. Suddenly giving the Turtles a bunch of kids seems like the complete opposite of what Laird has always preached about the TMNT, so I think the Regenta stuff was a bit of a misdirect on his part. Yet... maybe he changed his mind about that? I dunno, though. I highly doubt it.

[mrmaczaps]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

It'd give odds 60/40. 60 that he isn't the father, 40 that he is. Suddenly giving the Turtles a bunch of kids seems like the complete opposite of what Laird has always preached about the TMNT, so I think the Regenta stuff was a bit of a misdirect on his part. Yet... maybe he changed his mind about that? I dunno, though. I highly doubt it.

What would you do, if you were going to finish this up?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by mrmaczaps

What would you do, if you were going to finish this up?

Well, I'd approach it as "what would Laird probably have been up to, or where would he have been going?" and not necessarily just what I'd like to see as a fan. For the most part. But I'd definitely want to bring it all home and sort of merge all the side stories into one "big" one by the end.

[mrmaczaps]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Well, I'd approach it as "what would Laird probably have been up to, or where would he have been going?" and not necessarily just what I'd like to see as a fan. For the most part. But I'd definitely want to bring it all home and sort of merge all the side stories into one "big" one by the end.

Vague but telling. So you have some ideas and its just nowhere because you won't do it without Lawson, and he won't finish it without Laird and Laird just doesn't want to be bothered?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by mrmaczaps

Vague but telling. So you have some ideas and its just nowhere because you won't do it without Lawson, and he won't finish it without Laird and Laird just doesn't want to be bothered?

Sounds about right. Plus I'm still not 100% sure that Laird won't come around at some point.

[Jephael]

Originally Posted by mrmaczaps

So you have some ideas and its just nowhere because you won't do it without Lawson, and he won't finish it without Laird and Laird just doesn't want to be bothered?

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Sounds about right. Plus I'm still not 100% sure that Laird won't come around at some point.

A while back on Facebook I mentioned to you how I'd love to be involved in this venture, though as I can tell you sort of already have a pretty solid idea of how you'd like the story to go. If you were to get the go-ahead, I'd love it if I were given the opportunity to work with you on a Tales of the TMNT type story about the Mirage TMNT crossing paths with the Archie TMNT as it was briefly mentioned by Donatello in that last issue that they had come across their "dopplegangers" at some point in the past. Granted it probably wouldn't be as grim and dark as Transcension and Deliverance were, but I'd love to utilize some of the ideas Peter Laird shared long ago about a trans-dimensional space ship created by Kirby from the Donatello one-shot being involved. Maybe we could pitch like a one-off flashback story told from Don and Raph's perspective. I'm not expecting anything to come from it, but if it did, it'd mean the world to me!!!

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Jephael

A while back on Facebook I mentioned to you how I'd love to be involved in this venture, though as I can tell you sort of already have a pretty solid idea of how you'd like the story to go. If you were to get the go-ahead, I'd love it if I were given the opportunity to work with you on a Tales of the TMNT type story about the Mirage TMNT crossing paths with the Archie TMNT as it was briefly mentioned by Donatello in that last issue that they had come across their "dopplegangers" at some point in the past. Granted it probably wouldn't be as grim and dark as Transcension and Deliverance were, but I'd love to utilize some of the ideas Peter Laird shared long ago about a trans-dimensional space ship created by Kirby from the Donatello one-shot being involved. Maybe we could pitch like a one-off flashback story told from Don and Raph's perspective. I'm not expecting anything to come from it, but if it did, it'd mean the world to me!!!

A simple "Tales of the TMNT" story where the Mirage and Archie TMNT meet/team up wouldn't be a bad thing at all. Not super exciting to me, though. As a novelty, though, imagine how cool it'd be if (and this would be a huge IF) Lawson drew the whole thing minus where the Archie TMNT would appear on the panels... and then Chris Allan draws in the Archie TMNT in those places, smack in the middle of what are otherwise Lawson pages. Like an "Artist Jam" piece, but for a whole comic.

[frank_one]

I would love to see Kirby back and somehow involved in the conclusion of vol. 4.

[mrmaczaps]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

A simple "Tales of the TMNT" story where the Mirage and Archie TMNT meet/team up wouldn't be a bad thing at all. Not super exciting to me, though. As a novelty, though, imagine how cool it'd be if (and this would be a huge IF) Lawson drew the whole thing minus where the Archie TMNT would appear on the panels... and then Chris Allan draws in the Archie TMNT in those places, smack in the middle of what are otherwise Lawson pages. Like an "Artist Jam" piece, but for a whole comic.

We need to make this happen.

[Ninjinister]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

For me, personally, I'd hoped...

* Mikey is revealed not to be the dad of the Regenta's kids.

* Casey DID have sex with Karai and Karai is carrying his love child. And/or possibly they begin an affair.

* The alternate Splinter is revealed to not be what he seems, and rather a Splinter trying to get one over on them for some purpose (also, perhaps when he tips his hand we finally get the realization of the future vision from Vol. 2 #1 of a Turtle killing Splinter).

Why could you possibly have any aspirations of Karai being a rapist?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Ninjinister

Why could you possibly have any aspirations of Karai being a rapist?

What, people don't get super drunk and have sex in make believe world, also?

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Originally Posted by Ninjinister

Why could you possibly have any aspirations of Karai being a rapist?

We must remember there are different rules in comics than there are in media we are most familiar with like cartoons and movies. Characters can be anything in the original source material than elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

What, people don't get super drunk and have sex in make believe world, also?

Not to mention Karai also went through alot in Mirage such as losing her daughter, so things like that also could lead people to do some crazy sh*t. Maybe she longs for a relationship, like most people do.

[CyberCubed]

Both Karai and Casey are 40-50+ year old adults in the Volume 4 run, Karai cannot "rape" Casey. Even if Casey doesn't remember it, that's not the way rape works between two middle age adults.

[Roseangelo]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Both Karai and Casey are 40-50+ year old adults in the Volume 4 run, Karai cannot "rape" Casey. Even if Casey doesn't remember it, that's not the way rape works between two middle age adults.

Yikes. I don't want to know what your definition of rape is.

[mrmaczaps]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Both Karai and Casey are 40-50+ year old adults in the Volume 4 run, Karai cannot "rape" Casey. Even if Casey doesn't remember it, that's not the way rape works between two middle age adults.

If you're drunk or passed out, you cannot consent and its technically rape. Although I know plenty of people in long term relationships that are always going at it when drunk & no one feels bad in the morning about it so its not... But if it was, its always the guys fault. For some reason. A "friend" from high school always used to say "can't rape the willing" and I'm pretty sure it was because he only ever got lucky while drinking with ladies and they were always all drunk....

[King Kahn]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Both Karai and Casey are 40-50+ year old adults in the Volume 4 run, Karai cannot "rape" Casey. Even if Casey doesn't remember it, that's not the way rape works between two middle age adults.

yikes man, big yikes.

[Jephael]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

A simple "Tales of the TMNT" story where the Mirage and Archie TMNT meet/team up wouldn't be a bad thing at all. Not super exciting to me, though. As a novelty, though, imagine how cool it'd be if (and this would be a huge IF) Lawson drew the whole thing minus where the Archie TMNT would appear on the panels... and then Chris Allan draws in the Archie TMNT in those places, smack in the middle of what are otherwise Lawson pages. Like an "Artist Jam" piece, but for a whole comic.

Originally Peter Laird was going to draw everybody from the Mirage universe and have Ken Mitchroney draw the Archie reality, so maybe he could be a possibility. To make things a whole lot easier though, it might be a fun idea to have Michael Dooney draw the entire thing. After all, he was the artist who basically adapted the first season of the original cartoon into a comic book for Archie comics in the beginning!

Originally Posted by mrmaczaps

We need to make this happen.

If only, dude. If only...

[Sharman]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

For me, personally, I'd hoped...

* Mikey is revealed not to be the dad of the Regenta's kids.

* Casey DID have sex with Karai and Karai is carrying his love child. And/or possibly they begin an affair.

* The alternate Splinter is revealed to not be what he seems, and rather a Splinter trying to get one over on them for some purpose (also, perhaps when he tips his hand we finally get the realization of the future vision from Vol. 2 #1 of a Turtle killing Splinter).

You make some great points here (and in later posts) and I, too, certainly would have liked Vol 4 to adequately 'complete' the dangling threads of Vol 2. which still go unanswered.

[sorrenmj]

I wish he would finish volume 4

[sorrenmj]

Five years later and still nothing. I would prefer Laird to complete this with the original team but if IDW ever did reprint them I could live with that. I just wish Peter would say either way whether he will or won't he finish the series, hmmm