Teenage Mutant Punk Frogs

[ChosenOne]

Originally Posted by lonewarrior20

well, you want answers but can you handle the truth? campbells doing what she can building/adding to the tmnt lore. other than here and 4chan i generally see positive remarks on the comics. you and others complain and we give you answers and still it's not enough because it doesn't fit your frame of mind on the way you think the comic should be going. sophies in charge, so read or don't read that's your and my choice in the matter.

i choose to read because i'm having fun with the comic.

Uh... I wasn't being sarcastic just then? It had slipped my mind who Bloody Mary could be named after. Huge "Duh" moment when I clicked that link. I was actually thanking you for reminding me, albeit in a flippant manner. So much aggression... Sounds like you have some stuff to deal with. Good luck.

[lonewarrior20]

Originally Posted by ChosenOne

Uh... I wasn't being sarcastic just then? It had slipped my mind who Bloody Mary could be named after. Huge "Duh" moment when I clicked that link. I was actually thanking you for reminding me, albeit in a flippant manner. So much aggression... Sounds like you have some stuff to deal with. Good luck.

i think a lot of people have to deal with stuff around here, myself included.

[ChosenOne]

Originally Posted by lonewarrior20

i think a lot of people have to deal with stuff around here, myself included.

Don't worry, nothing lasts forever. Not even this absolute fanfic of a run and the toxic atmosphere that came with it.

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by ChosenOne

Uh... I wasn't being sarcastic just then? It had slipped my mind who Bloody Mary could be named after. Huge "Duh" moment when I clicked that link. I was actually thanking you for reminding me, albeit in a flippant manner. So much aggression... Sounds like you have some stuff to deal with. Good luck.

You’ve shown way ore aggression than the user you are responding to. This run seems to have really gotten under your skin. I’m surprised you don’t just take a break and read other books for a while, but different strokes I guess.

[ChosenOne]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

You’ve shown way ore aggression than the user you are responding to. This run seems to have really gotten under your skin. I’m surprised you don’t just take a break and read other books for a while, but different strokes I guess.

Sorry if I don't back down, slink away with my tail between my legs and let you zealots ruin yet another one of the things I've enjoyed for years without at the very least actively voicing my displeasure. I'm sure it's a terrible inconvenience to realize there's life outside the echo chamber.

You've been here for almost twenty tears, surely you've noticed the Ignore function. If you can't handle others having diverging views and the right to voice them freely, that's your best bet.

[hypered1]

Originally Posted by ChosenOne

Sorry if I don't back down, slink away with my tail between my legs and let you zealots ruin yet another one of the things I've enjoyed for years without at the very least actively voicing my displeasure. I'm sure it's a terrible inconvenience to realize there's life outside the echo chamber.

You've been here for almost twenty tears, surely you've noticed the Ignore function. If you can't handle others having diverging views and the right to voice them freely, that's your best bet.

Not trying to have a go at you, but when most of your responses seem kinda aggressive like AquaParade said it's hard to tell when they're not and that you're being genuinely grateful.
Nothing wrong with being passionate but the written word can only provide so much context.

[ChosenOne]

Originally Posted by hypered1

Not trying to have a go at you, but when most of your responses seem kinda aggressive like AquaParade said it's hard to tell when they're not and that you're being genuinely grateful.
Nothing wrong with being passionate but the written word can only provide so much context.

You'd be surprised at how your own words often come across. And yet no one cares or calls you out. I certainly don't bother. Let's not pretend the reason why you're all piling on isn't because I refuse to kiss Saint Campbell's feet and call her run The Best Thing EverTM.

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by ChosenOne

Sorry if I don't back down, slink away with my tail between my legs and let you zealots ruin yet another one of the things I've enjoyed for years without at the very least actively voicing my displeasure. I'm sure it's a terrible inconvenience to realize there's life outside the echo chamber.

You've been here for almost twenty tears, surely you've noticed the Ignore function. If you can't handle others having diverging views and the right to voice them freely, that's your best bet.

Seems like you don’t read well either, which could be impacting your enjoyment of the book.

I am not in an echo chamber, and as I said above, I haven’t read this story in years. So when you blabber on about me being in an echo chamber, it causes some confusion.

I can handle diverging opinions, but I find it interesting how abrasive you are towards this book, yet you keep reading it, purchasing it, and therefor supporting it’s continued existence. I promise you that your rambling here is doing nothing to “fight the power”. Your money is making the only difference.

So, it’s a bit odd to see you chasing your tail like this. Stop supporting the book if you don’t like the direction. Sure, I suggested that on behalf of your blood pressure, but it’d also be the best way to send your message.

[ChosenOne]

I buy the book, read the book and complain, you tell me to stop supporting it and move on.

I don't buy the book, find ways to still read the book and complain, you tell me I don't get a say because I don't support it anymore.

See how that works? 'Cause I sure do. I don't want to stop reading and supporting the book, I want it to stop sucking so much and revert to what it used to be. I want Tom Waltz to take up the reins again after it became clear that this current run is only all about keeping his seat warm. And I want to freely express myself all the while. It's that simple. Don't see why anyone would have a problem with that outside of deliberately wanting to silence dissenting voices.

Awareness of the fact isn't a prerequisite for being in an echo chamber. Fortunately for me, you don’t get to say what I do, what I say and how I think. Nor how I spend my money. If my free speech and free thinking are that abrasive to your sensitivities, again, that's what the Ignore function is for. I trust you'll use it wisely. Thank you.

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by ChosenOne

I buy the book, read the book and complain, you tell me to stop supporting it and move on.

I don't buy the book, find ways to still read the book and complain, you tell me I don't get a say because I don't support it anymore.

See how that works? 'Cause I sure do. I don't want to stop reading and supporting the book, I want it to stop sucking so much and revert to what it used to be. I want Tom Waltz to take up the reins again after it became clear that this current run is only all about keeping his seat warm. And I want to freely express myself all the while. It's that simple. Don't see why anyone would have a problem with that outside of deliberately wanting to silence dissenting voices.

Awareness of the fact isn't a prerequisite for being in an echo chamber. Fortunately for me, you don’t get to say what I do, what I say and how I think. Nor how I spend my money. If my free speech and free thinking are that abrasive to your sensitivities, again, that's what the Ignore function for. Thank you.

1. You’ve got to stop falsely labeling me as part of a groupthink I have no ties to, and also stop assuming what I will say or do in any given hypothetical situation. I’m not part of the group you’d like to prescribe me to, in order to make your argument easier. Sorry, people in the real world are also allowed to disagree with you.

2. Yeah, it’d be a little strange to keep reading the book whether you are paying for it or not. We are like two years into Sophie’s run and by the way your posts read, it is a book that represents everything you’re against. Kinda weird to keep reading it. It’s just a little picture book about ninja turtles. Obviously this would be different if you enjoyed it.

3. My initial post was actually more about your attitude towards other members than your feelings about the book, but it became intertwined. Dislike the book all you want, while continuing to give it life and fund it’s continued existence, I guess… but at least don’t let your rage turn you into a prick to people around you. A poster pointed something out to you and you reacted like a child. Lame.

[ChosenOne]

Yes, sir. Whatever you say, Mr. Cultist. This is where I leave you, endlessly repeating the same boilerplate arguments to yourself in a loop. Enjoy the Kool-Aid.

[mrmaczaps]

Originally Posted by lonewarrior20

well, you want answers but can you handle the truth? campbells doing what she can building/adding to the tmnt lore. other than here and 4chan i generally see positive remarks on the comics. you and others complain and we give you answers and still it's not enough because it doesn't fit your frame of mind on the way you think the comic should be going. sophies in charge, so read or don't read that's your and my choice in the matter.

i choose to read because i'm having fun with the comic.

Lol. Sh!tting on the franchise with her furries porn fanfic is hardly adding to the franchise. This run has been absolute garbage.

[lonewarrior20]

Originally Posted by mrmaczaps

Lol. Sh!tting on the franchise with her furries porn fanfic is hardly adding to the franchise. This run has been absolute garbage.

When hasn't tmnt been furry related?

[hypered1]

Originally Posted by ChosenOne

You'd be surprised at how your own words often come across. And yet no one cares or calls you out. I certainly don't bother. Let's not pretend the reason why you're all piling on isn't because I refuse to kiss Saint Campbell's feet and call her run The Best Thing EverTM.

I admit that my past comments have occasionally been somewhat terse but I've only ever been directly aggressive towards others when calling out their appalling behaviour towards other members such as Tigerclaw or Ms. Campbell.
I will always stand up for others and call out crappy behaviour like that if it happens.

Also I've never said that anyone's opinion regarding the comic isn't valid, I've just made a point of backing up my arguments with actual evidence.

[ChosenOne]

Originally Posted by hypered1

I admit that my past comments have occasionally been somewhat terse but I've only ever been directly aggressive towards others when calling out their appalling behaviour towards other members such as Tigerclaw or Ms. Campbell.
I will always stand up for others and call out crappy behaviour like that if it happens.

Also I've never said that anyone's opinion regarding the comic isn't valid, I've just made a point of backing up my arguments with actual evidence.

It tends to draw (negative) attention when you only stand up for the people who agree with you and not for everyone in general, though. There's a certain cultish behavior around Campbell that can be puzzling (I've heard of comic artists being reviled and even threatened online but never this degree of worship) at the best of times and off-putting at the worst. Personally, I've been exactly where you are in regards to sticking up for Campbell. While I still respect the person, I can no longer respect what she's been doing. I hope you can tell the difference.

[hypered1]

Originally Posted by ChosenOne

It tends to draw (negative) attention when you only stand up for the people who agree with you and not for everyone in general, though. There's a certain cultish behavior around Campbell that can be puzzling (I've heard of comic artists being reviled and even threatened online but never this degree of worship) at the best of times and off-putting at the worst. Personally, I've been exactly where you are in regards to sticking up for Campbell. While I still respect the person, I can no longer respect what she's been doing. I hope you can tell the difference.

I've never disparaged anyone's opinion of her writing style and have said myself that I find it a bit slow, I started clapping back when people started deadnaming her and calling her mentally unwell and attacking Tigerclaw using the word furry as a slur.
People's personal histories or predilections have nothing to do with you or anyone else; everyone's free to attack the comic as they see fit but no one has the right to attack people for who they are.
I also have to agree that TMNT has always been furry-adjacent, pretty much all IP's with anthro's are.

[ChosenOne]

Originally Posted by hypered1

I've never disparaged anyone's opinion of her writing style and have said myself that I find it a bit slow, I started clapping back when people started deadnaming her and calling her mentally unwell and attacking Tigerclaw using the word furry as a slur.
People's personal histories or predilections have nothing to do with you or anyone else; everyone's free to attack the comic as they see fit but no one has the right to attack people for who they are.
I also have to agree that TMNT has always been furry-adjacent, pretty much all IP's with anthro's are.

Fair enough. I don't agree with personal attacks on her either, sticking to the way her fans view her is where the fun is at anyway.

I'm not sure I agree with your last point, though.

[Zog The Magnificent]

Originally Posted by lonewarrior20

When hasn't tmnt been furry related?

Originally Posted by hypered1

I also have to agree that TMNT has always been furry-adjacent, pretty much all IP's with anthro's are.

TMNT has never been furry related before now. Having anthropomorphic characters does not makes something furry related. By that logic, everything with Mickey Mouse in it would be furry, but nobody thinks liking Mickey Mouse makes you a furry. Heck, that standard would make a bunch of golden age era cartoons furry related, and I guarantee you that the concept of furries didn't even exist at that time. TMNT, Mickey Mouse, and many other properties like it fall into the general category of "funny animals," which is a distinct category from "Furry" material, using animals as characters because they can be more visually interesting or "funny," but who could functionally be replaced by real people most of the time. It doesn't really become furry related until you sexualize it. Which the current TMNT run as done to some degree, to its and TMNT's detriment.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by lonewarrior20

When hasn't tmnt been furry related?

When it didn't have any children's spinoffs.

[Ninja Toitles]

IDW Toitles has been sucky for a long time. Totally infiltrated with counter-culture garbage. I quit paying for it a long time ago, but TMN Toiltes is my hobby so I stay abreast by other means. It is not a good book.