Jon Watts to direct MCU Fantastic Four film

[TurtleTitan97]

https://mobile.twitter.com/MarvelStu...00479063994368

[neatoman]

Oh, cool!...
...
... It's going to replace Black Panther 2, isn't it?

[Roseangelo]

Originally Posted by neatoman

Oh, cool!...
...
... It's going to replace Black Panther 2, isn't it?

No, BP2 is still happening, but they aren't recasting Chadwick.

Hopefully they can get FF right this time... (I realize the previous efforts weren't Disney).

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Roseangelo

No, BP2 is still happening, but they aren't recasting Chadwick.

Hopefully they can get FF right this time... (I realize the previous efforts weren't Disney).

I didn't necessarily mean "BP2 is probably cancelled" more like "BP2 is probably getting pushed further down the line and FF is taking probably it's initial place".

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Now THIS, I give a $hit about. But it's the Spider-Man guy, so... what, is Reed Richards gonna have a mentor in every movie?

Is Sue Storm gonna go by SS or something lame?

I don't even give much of a $hit about Spidey, but I'm feeling salty.

[sdp]

Could Disney actually make the Fantastic 4 "cool"? The general audience just doesn't seem to be into them, this is including "comic fans". They're awesome explorers, it'd be a shame if they just take Galactus, Silver Surfer and Doctor Doom and leave the F4 to die if their movie fails like they did with the inhumanoids.

[Autbot_Benz]

Originally Posted by sdp

Could Disney actually make the Fantastic 4 "cool"? The general audience just doesn't seem to be into them, this is including "comic fans".

what are you talking about. Have you been in forums with comic fans all people could talk about was how they couldn't wait for FF and X-men to come back to MCU. Look at Twitter right now everyone is super excited for the movie.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by sdp

Could Disney actually make the Fantastic 4 "cool"?

Disney? No. But Feige and Marvel Studios should be able to, if Disney largely stays out of their hair.

[Leo656]

I remain unconvinced that there are a huge number of people salivating over the Fantastic Four.

To most of the movie-going audience, they're just a corny rip-off of The Incredibles. Yes, I know that's backwards. But that's how most of the people who go to see these movies sees the situation.

I mean, let's be real... aside from their Dr. Doom being thoroughly "meh", the very first F4 movie was pretty spot-on. I mean, that's the story, those are the characters. It was about as good as anyone can ever do with that material and those characters, without changing it so much it becomes something else. It wasn't perfect, but it more or less was. Doom aside, it's about as "straight" of an adaptation as there's ever been done. It's ALMOST 1:1 with the comics.

....And in spite of all that it's STILL one of the f*cking worst comic book movies I've ever seen in my life. Second one was very, very, very slightly better in a few ways but also worse in others. The reboot... well, we see what they did there. That was never gonna be any good.

The Fantastic 4 is f*cking corny. I'm sorry, I know they have their fans. Why, I don't know. I just don't think the material is there to make a really "good" movie out of. It's a dumb premise. The only reason to even do them is to introduce Dr. Doom and Galactus into the MCU. Those are top-tier villains. The F4 themselves are f*cking C-listers, though. They are absolutely no one ever's favorite super-hero team. Human Torch is kinda cool. Reed Richards is comics' second (or third) most interesting Stretchy Guy, and you know you suck when Plastic Man is better than you are. Thing is kinda alright, but he's just a "Does his dick look like the rest of him?" punchline to most people. Sue is hot, but she's goddamn useless.

I know Duckie's gonna yell at me, like she does every single time I say this stuff. But I don't care. The F4 are some of Marvel's least-interesting characters of all time. I don't think they've ever had one single "iconic" story outside of their origin, and their villains are the only interesting thing about them. Everybody loves Doom, everybody loves Galactus... nobody "loves" the Fantastic 4. They tolerate them, so that they can have Doom and Galactus. That's all it is.

I mean, we'll see. They've had three at-bats and they've struck out three straight times as far as making an F4 movie that wasn't lousy. Disney might have "The Midas Touch" but you'd have to be some kinda warlock to make the F4 not-corny in a movie setting.

Then again, I think ALL the MCU movies are kinda f*cking corny so maybe they're perfect for this, I'unno.

[ZariusTwo]

I need to see if there's been any updates to the "Fantastic Four: Great American Novel" website. That guy's fountain of knowledge and trying to weave a whole tapestry of Marvel history around how much the FF's story meant to it was insane.

I love the characters, and even Slott, who I normally despise, is doing a decent job with them at the moment in the comics, it's arguably his best work since his early days on Amazing Spider-Man, and infinitely better than his Iron Man 2020 dross.

However, it's almost impossible to put together a decent movie or animated series featuring them. Their problem is they function so well as a family that any attempt at drama with them feels forced and unnecessary, and you don't actually want to see them in too much trouble

I suppose given the low key stakes of almost everything in the MCU (Russo Brother movies as the exception), they fit right in though.

[Galactus]

Definitely give it a chance but I think Watt's strengths will be in the family aspect but I've seen little in his Spider-Man movies to show he can successfully pull off the grand scale action the FF needs but we'll see.

It's only recently that I got around to watching Josh Trank's 'dark' FF movie. It was just as horrible as expected but the idea of giving them an edge wasn't wrong. In the early comics the Thing is supposed to truly scary and deeply resentful of Reed's arrogance turning him into a monster and Johnny was a true rebel without a cause. I think showing that would be great before settling into to being a big rocky teddy bear and the surrogate brother that likes to tease him.

As for Reed he's one of the most important characters in the entire Marvel Universe. Throughout the 60s and 70s if ever there was any gathering of heroes he was the one that was naturally picked to lead. Throughout most of the Lee/Kirby run he's just as much a man of action as lab guy. He is partially based on Doc Savage and he should always be like an intrepid explorer in 50s pop culture. Yeah his stretchy powers look silly in live action and there's little you can do not make it look at least a little silly but his main weapon is his mind.

[Xav]

I'm shocked they're all white. You would think they would try to put at least one black person in there.

[CyberCubed]

Wasn't one of them black in the last reboot?

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Wasn't one of them black in the last reboot?

Johnny was.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Xav

I'm shocked they're all white. You would think they would try to put at least one black person in there.

Pedro Pascal is Hispanic. He isn't "white".

[Xav]

Originally Posted by IMJ

Pedro Pascal is Hispanic. He isn't "white".

You can speak Spanish and still be white.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Xav

You can speak Spanish and still be white.

He's Chilean. That isn't white.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Xav

You can speak Spanish and still be white.

sigh. Fair enough, excuse me. He is "Chilean" and not white. Although I point out that you said:

Originally Posted by Xav

I'm shocked they're all white.

and they are not. And so, my point still stands, semantics aside.

[CyberCubed]

I still wonder if this movie will do as well as Disney hopes. Fantastic Four aren't really a big draw to casual audiences, and after the Fox films (and the last one bombing completely), I doubt people are even that interested. Or likely just remember those films being mediocre and not caring.

I dunno, it could go either way. Even if the film itself turns out good, I do wonder if it'll be the hit they want.

[Zulithe]

Originally Posted by IMJ

Pedro Pascal is Hispanic. He isn't "white".

White can be a very broad umbrella, it depends on who you ask and where they live as the definition isn't strictly defined.

What we can say is that he is primarily of Spanish descent, with also some Portuguese, French and Welsh. Chilean is his national origin, not his race.

In some parts of Europe he probably would more or less be considered as "white" as any other European, depending on the region.

Race is complicated. But actors like Pedo are in a good position because they can play latino/spanish/"ethnic" when the role calls for it, or he can come off as more or less "white" in some other roles when need be. Since he is of mixed background he can lean into whatever direction he needs to.