New TMNT B. Stockman (political correctness gone too far?).

[Karpo_007]

I don't get it.. What does it matter if a villain is black or white? And original Baxter was in volume 2, wich ran trough 1993 to 1995, and I think I heard he is in Volume 4 too... So black Baxter has always there.

[beaker]

Originally Posted by GordonUniverse

How "politcally correct" of Spike Lee to use a black man in the role of Malcom X, eh?

The 1990's called, it wants its 'politically correctness' back. Man I hate that PC word. Its from the Clinton/OJ 90's era.

Honestly, I think its politically incorrect to always keep black guys from being a bad guy. Thank goodness they had Duncan as Kingpin.
Then again you hardly ever see an asian in a non martial arts action lead role, or a black guy with a non baclk woman in a comedy/drama. Hollywood is screwed up.

[Eye of Sarnath]

Oh my God, this topic is still going. I thought we had resolved this issue, uh, three pages ago? Screw political correctness. Oh well... if you enjoy arguing about this kind of stuff, I won't stop you.

[Karpo_007]

Yes, this Baxter has nothibg to do with PC, but this topic has spawned discussion about aprils diffren't looks too.

[ToTheNines]

Looks like the Woke Mind Virus was alive and well in 2003…

[neatoman]

Isn't it funny that they have always gotten his skin color right since this cartoon did, but still cling to that moronic idea that he should turn into a fly creature even though this cartoon didn't?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by neatoman

Isn't it funny that they have always gotten his skin color right since this cartoon did, but still cling to that moronic idea that he should turn into a fly creature even though this cartoon didn't?

It always seems to come at a trade off beyond Mirage. Ok, we'll keep him a black man, but...

Though even technically Mirage did that, too. You can't have a skin color if you're just a brain.

[Zog The Magnificent]

I mean, I'm pretty sure that IDW Baxter is the only major version of the character to remain completely human. Every other version is either a fly or a cyborg, or wasn't around long enough to do either.

[ToTheNines]

Hey, Rise never mutated him right?

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Hey, Rise never mutated him right?

Technically that wasn't Baxter Stockman but rather Baxter Stockboy (yes, that is his actual name, I'm not just making a joke about his age), but yes, he remained a human being throughout the entire short run.

[Zog The Magnificent]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Hey, Rise never mutated him right?

Originally Posted by neatoman

Technically that wasn't Baxter Stockman but rather Baxter Stockboy (yes, that is his actual name, I'm not just making a joke about his age), but yes, he remained a human being throughout the entire short run.

Frankly, I forgot all about Rise. But Stockboy only has lines in two episodes, so he's not SUPER major.

[CyberCubed]

I guess Baxter as a human has a limited story potential, IDW's Baxter was fine for awhile but even they pretty much ran out of things to do with him. Ever since he became mayor he's pretty much been in the background, and most of it being during Sophie's run didn't help matters either. I actually would have prefered him killed off at the end of the Armaggedon game.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I guess Baxter as a human has a limited story potential, IDW's Baxter was fine for awhile but even they pretty much ran out of things to do with him. Ever since he became mayor he's pretty much been in the background, and most of it being during Sophie's run didn't help matters either. I actually would have prefered him killed off at the end of the Armaggedon game.

What? No, what kind of thinking is that? He's essentially a Lex Luthor type of character and the actual Lex Luthor keeps showing up. The only people who (claim to) think there is no potential there are the morons who claim humanoid animal characters should completely take over the cast of characters, for open reasons really too vague to be used as any real argument and their presumed real reasons that they jerk off to the idea of having a million furry characters.

Besides, you and I both know there are no such things as compelling characters or well written storylines in the Campbell run. The only people who deny this are the previously mentioned morons who will (hopefully) go away if they discover what Fur Affinity is and find a way to satisfy their needs without promoting some of the worst official TMNT comics ever.

[Andrew NDB]

Baxter's motivations are what are pretty flimsy, historically. Even at Mirage. Robbing banks with the mousers to get money, that makes sense... but everything else after that falls apart. He's super mad at April and wants revenge... for her defending herself when he was trying to kill her? Eh...

[Zog The Magnificent]

I think 2003 had the best use of the character. He's got simple but completely believable motives, and such a massive ego that he's both fun to watch, but also completely justified (from a character standpoint) in continuing along the way he does. Mirage Baxter has flimsy motives, and really only gets two real stories, before coming back years later and immediately dying, and 87 Baxter, like a lot in that show, isn't taken seriously enough to be compelling. 2012 Baxter basically ceases to be relevant or have any kind of arc once he becomes a fly; he's basically just another henchmen with no real character after that point. IDW Baxter was really great for a long while, but the mayor arc didn't really go anywhere it should have, and now he's just kind of around, just like the other 70 billion characters IDW saw fit to introduce.

[Zog The Magnificent]

Originally Posted by neatoman

Besides, you and I both know there is no such things as a compelling characters or well written storylines in the Campbell run. The only people who deny this are the previously mentioned morons who will (hopefully) go away if they discover what Fur Affinity is and find a way to satisfy their needs without promoting some of the worst official TMNT comics ever.

I agree with the sentiment, but I actually think the first 5 issues of the run were fine. Back before we knew just what we were in for, back before all the genuine potential that the premise had was squandered, back before the comic became the pile of self aggrandising character insert fanfiction allegory cryfest nonsese that it became, those first 5 issues actually did a really good job of establishing the new status quo, letting the plot take a breather, and getting everyone back together and ready for the new plot. It's just that the "next phase" never really happened and it just KEPT GOING. Then the Battle of the Bands happened, and that was one of the stupidest, most pointless story arcs in the whole run.

But yeah, I actually think the first 5 issues were alright.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Baxter's motivations are what are pretty flimsy, historically. Even at Mirage. Robbing banks with the mousers to get money, that makes sense... but everything else after that falls apart. He's super mad at April and wants revenge... for her defending herself when he was trying to kill her? Eh...

You know how these kinds of bad guys think. To him, it's April's fault that he was caught and sent to prison.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

You know how these kinds of bad guys think. To him, it's April's fault that he was caught and sent to prison.

I think that’s exactly what he’s saying. Mirage characters typically have more nuance to them than your average “Saturday morning cartoon” villain. Kind of doesn’t fit in to that world.

Even in 4kids, he didn’t become fixated on April until his mind started deteriorating. Before that, his ire was rightfully aimed at Shredder.