New TMNT B. Stockman (political correctness gone too far?). - Page 2

**GK Punk** · 02-17-2003, 09:20 AM

if my scanner still works, Ill have to scan it and post it later the way they used the screen tones on her skin make her look black, but I think it's just suppoused to be heavy shadding or something like that.

**Karpo_007** · 02-17-2003, 09:22 AM

Yeah, I know. Same thing with the comic books. People that haven't read many issues could easily be mistaken.

**GK Punk** · 02-17-2003, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Karpo_007

Yeah, I know. Same thing with the comic books. People that haven't read many issues could easily be mistaken.

For the most part, I read a couple of Graphic Novels and a few Random issues other than that... So I see where you are coming from, <---Has faulty memory is what it is

**Karpo_007** · 02-17-2003, 09:36 AM

Yeah, April as drawed many difrent ways, sometimes her skin was darker than others. But still, she was always white.

~~Reznorite420~~ · 02-17-2003, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Karpo_007

Yeah, his color didn't change either. But his race did!

???

He was always black, even in the episodes you saw him de-mutated or whatever.

~~Reznorite420~~ · 02-17-2003, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Karpo_007

Yeah it changed from New York to "City". I still can't understand the reason.

Shredder says, "Of course...I'm in the Big Apple" in "The Return of the Shredder"...

*Jephael* · 02-17-2003, 10:34 AM

That was in 1988, two years before they changed the format.

**Karpo_007** · 02-17-2003, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Reznorite420

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Originally Posted by Karpo_007

Yeah, his color didn't change either. But his race did!

???

He was always black, even in the episodes you saw him de-mutated or whatever.

Race: From Human to mutant WartHog.

Edit: I guess species would have been the right word...

**Kali** · 02-17-2003, 12:22 PM

I remember hearing somewhere that they changed Baxter from Black to White for the old cartoon because they didn't want the only black main characters to be bad guys. They didn't have any black good guy characters to balance it. (Yes, censors are weird like that...)

As for April, she's changed so much over the years, it's hard to say what race she is for certain. Heard somewhere that she was Latina, another that she's Irish. Doesn't matter much to me.

~~Reznorite420~~ · 02-17-2003, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Kali

As for April, she's changed so much over the years, it's hard to say what race she is for certain. Heard somewhere that she was Latina, another that she's Irish. Doesn't matter much to me.

"O'Neil" is pretty damn Irish if you ask me

*Jephael* · 02-18-2003, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Kali

I remember hearing somewhere that they changed Baxter from Black to White for the old cartoon because they didn't want the only black main characters to be bad guys. They didn't have any black good guy characters to balance it.

I can just see comedian Chris Rock talking about something like that.

"Now why they gotta go change Baxter to a white guy?!! Man, I don't care if he's a villian! As long as he's a brotha!"

beaker · 02-18-2003, 02:27 PM

Um, well from the 'Return of Savanti Romero' late 80's Lawson/Laird side story issue, she definately is a sista...or at least Puerto Rican or something...

http://forums.palisadestoys.com/atta...=&postid=33842

**Karpo_007** · 02-18-2003, 03:50 PM

She might have looked like Latina[the hair atleast] But she was never black.

~~PWDESAI~~ · 02-18-2003, 07:48 PM

I dunno karpo I heard they were going to mutate him. I don't mind it going back to the "edgier mirage roots"

have we heard that one a lot, but I don't want it to be the exact same thing, there would be no surprise...
I think a totally new version but mostly based on teh mirage series would suit best. I think that's what Peter Laird was aiming for, I mean just because it was the first series doesn't make it the best at entertaining people, there were some dead crap issues. I can't really say that's waht Peter wants, so why not someone write into his comic book about this?

~~PWDESAI~~ · 02-18-2003, 07:49 PM

btw 80's hairstyle was like that, if you watch any 80's movies like terminator they all had stupid hairdos

beaker · 02-18-2003, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Karpo_007

She might have looked like Latina[the hair atleast] But she was never black.

Interesting how in some issues of the Lawson comic back then she was Hispanic, heh.

**Karpo_007** · 02-19-2003, 01:47 AM

Well she has had many difrent looks over the years.

*Skeletoncrew* · 02-19-2003, 03:06 AM

Personally I'm happy with the way Baxter has been portrayed. I don't think its political correctness...the old cartoon Baxter was political correctness.

Dinny · 02-19-2003, 04:34 AM

Right. And the old Mirage Baxter was clearly black.

GordonUniverse · 02-19-2003, 05:00 AM

Deciding to take evil criminal villains and making them black (even though BStockman was always) is not politically correct. In fact, it's quite far from politically correct, unless you are saying that hiring or showing blacks in any way is politically correct, even when the classic character was created black and has been that way for 20 years (not counting the tv show that changed his color, because THEY wanted to be politically correct). How "politcally correct" of Spike Lee to use a black man in the role of Malcom X, eh?

So one black man in a cartoon is going too far? You are right, though, history doesn't need to be rewritten, but, of course, as you said, the color of the skin doesn't matter, and changing a character's skin color in a fictional story doens't rewrite that story's history (even though, in this case, history tells he was black all along).

Maybe you should do a little research on the characters before you post an overly long message (or, if you had spent more than a day in this place before posting you'd know that he was always black, it's brought up a lot) and maybe you should do a little research on the term "politcally correct" next time.

Ppssssttt... don't tell anybody, it's real hush hush, but they got a black man to do Anakin Skywalker's voice toward the end of the next star wars movie. Did you just do a spit-take? I did too. Coffee everywhere. And I don't even drink coffee.

02-17-2003, 10:34 AM	#27
Jephael That whack job behind you Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania Posts: 8,088	That was in 1988, two years before they changed the format. __________________ "I like it. Simple, but effective!" Raphael; The Mean Machines - 1988 www.jephael.com

02-18-2003, 02:27 PM	#32
beaker Hench Mutant Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Northern California Posts: 483	Um, well from the 'Return of Savanti Romero' late 80's Lawson/Laird side story issue, she definately is a sista...or at least Puerto Rican or something... http://forums.palisadestoys.com/atta...=&postid=33842 __________________ .:\\.:beaker:.//:. let the 80's entropy begin!

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Skeletoncrew Foot Elite Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Bearing in on your spicy brains Posts: 3,275	Personally I'm happy with the way Baxter has been portrayed. I don't think its political correctness...the old cartoon Baxter was political correctness. __________________ Adult TMNT fan art and fiction contest Now accepting entries!

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02-17-2003, 09:20 AM	#21
GK Punk I'm your Devil Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,439	if my scanner still works, Ill have to scan it and post it later the way they used the screen tones on her skin make her look black, but I think it's just suppoused to be heavy shadding or something like that.

02-17-2003, 09:22 AM	#22
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Yeah, I know. Same thing with the comic books. People that haven't read many issues could easily be mistaken.

02-17-2003, 09:36 AM	#24
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Yeah, April as drawed many difrent ways, sometimes her skin was darker than others. But still, she was always white.

02-17-2003, 12:22 PM	#29
Kali Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California! Posts: 11,101	I remember hearing somewhere that they changed Baxter from Black to White for the old cartoon because they didn't want the only black main characters to be bad guys. They didn't have any black good guy characters to balance it. (Yes, censors are weird like that...) As for April, she's changed so much over the years, it's hard to say what race she is for certain. Heard somewhere that she was Latina, another that she's Irish. Doesn't matter much to me.

02-18-2003, 03:50 PM	#33
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	She might have looked like Latina[the hair atleast] But she was never black.

02-18-2003, 07:48 PM	#34
~~PWDESAI~~ Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,873	I dunno karpo I heard they were going to mutate him. I don't mind it going back to the "edgier mirage roots" have we heard that one a lot, but I don't want it to be the exact same thing, there would be no surprise... I think a totally new version but mostly based on teh mirage series would suit best. I think that's what Peter Laird was aiming for, I mean just because it was the first series doesn't make it the best at entertaining people, there were some dead crap issues. I can't really say that's waht Peter wants, so why not someone write into his comic book about this?

02-18-2003, 07:49 PM	#35
~~PWDESAI~~ Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,873	btw 80's hairstyle was like that, if you watch any 80's movies like terminator they all had stupid hairdos

02-19-2003, 01:47 AM	#37
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Well she has had many difrent looks over the years.

02-19-2003, 04:34 AM	#39
Dinny Stone Warrior Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 774	Right. And the old Mirage Baxter was clearly black.

02-19-2003, 05:00 AM	#40
GordonUniverse Thug Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Karlsruhe Posts: 94	Deciding to take evil criminal villains and making them black (even though BStockman was always) is not politically correct. In fact, it's quite far from politically correct, unless you are saying that hiring or showing blacks in any way is politically correct, even when the classic character was created black and has been that way for 20 years (not counting the tv show that changed his color, because THEY wanted to be politically correct). How "politcally correct" of Spike Lee to use a black man in the role of Malcom X, eh? So one black man in a cartoon is going too far? You are right, though, history doesn't need to be rewritten, but, of course, as you said, the color of the skin doesn't matter, and changing a character's skin color in a fictional story doens't rewrite that story's history (even though, in this case, history tells he was black all along). Maybe you should do a little research on the characters before you post an overly long message (or, if you had spent more than a day in this place before posting you'd know that he was always black, it's brought up a lot) and maybe you should do a little research on the term "politcally correct" next time. Ppssssttt... don't tell anybody, it's real hush hush, but they got a black man to do Anakin Skywalker's voice toward the end of the next star wars movie. Did you just do a spit-take? I did too. Coffee everywhere. And I don't even drink coffee.