The 2024 presidential election

[Mayhem]

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

1) Both Ukraine and Israel waste America's money and America does not get anything in return.

2) I certainly get the impression that the Americans got lower taxes under Trump than Biden. And under today's tough economic landscape, the average joe can use all the money they get.

3) I'm not an American, but based on what I've read and heard from relatives in the U.S., I think illegal immigration presents alot of dangers there.

4) Indoctrinating about God is okay. Indoctrinating about LGBT is not. One ideology is clearly better than the other.

5) All those things are avoided with tighter security that makes people afraid to break the law. And the rights of the society to have a strong, young and fit population trumps individual bodily choice, otherwise you'll get elder demographic collapse like Japan and South Korea.

6) When they directly affect America, it should care. Otherwise, its wasted money that should've been directly spent on Americans.

1) You get a much more stable world platform, Putin is basically trying to secure his legacy before he pops his clogs (either from cancer or getting shot in the head) and there is absolutely no way we should let him steamroller another democratic country. Regardless of what you think about Ukraine's president. Because if he gets far enough into Ukraine, both Poland and Finland to name two, have said they will be deploying troops on the ground in case he goes further. I'd rather not see mushroom clouds in the sky during my lifetime.

2) The second part I'll agree with, but a lot of people in a lot of countries are also hurting, it's not just America. Inflation has spiked across a lot of the Western countries, again it's not just America

Trump Administration officials claimed their centerpiece corporate tax rate cut would “very conservatively” lead to a $4,000 boost in household income. New research shows that workers who earned less than about $114,000 on average in 2016 saw “no change in earnings” from the corporate tax rate cut, while top executive salaries increased sharply. Similarly, rigorous research concluded that the tax law’s 20 percent pass-through deduction, which was skewed in favor of wealthy business owners, has largely failed to trickle down to workers in those companies who aren’t owners. Like the Bush tax cuts before it, the 2017 Trump tax cut was a trickle-down failure.

Also, graphs help.





4) Given the amount of pain, suffering, wars, abuse and terror that religion has caused over the centuries (aside from the positives it has brought), I'm inclined to vehemently disagree here. No one yet has gone to war over being gay.

5) You're basically suggesting a dictatorship here. Individual freedoms are something that the United States was founded upon, correct me if wrong, and you are essentially saying they should be draconially curtailed.

I'm not a woman, but if you started ordering me what I could or couldn't do with my own body, I'd tell you immediately to f off.

The issue of an increasingly elderly population in Japan and South Korea isn't anything to do with abortion, it's about consciously choosing to have less children, in part because people can't afford them. So which would you prefer, fewer children that are better loved and cared for, or the state picking up the tab for looking after swathes of abandoned and fostered unwanted children because parents couldn't make a choice to abort?

6) Get Jeff Bezos to cough up $50b, he can afford it. Or you know, reduce the military budget perhaps. No, we can't possibly do that. There are plenty of options for curbing expenditure, the amount the US is spending on assisting Ukraine is roughly 2% of the total military budget for example. Chicken feed.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

1) If anything, I think American involvement is more likely to bring the mushroom cloud. Putin's main beef with Ukraine is that its cozying up to NATO.

2) I won't contest the numbers you've provided. But after all factors taken into account, wouldn't Americans have more leftover money under Trump than Biden?

4) All those things are part of establishing a civilization. I can't speak for every doctrine Christianity as I am not Christian but the entire belief system has produced powerful empires.

5) Freedom was never absolute in the U.S. I'm no constitutional scholar, but the Founding Fathers probably wouldn't approve of abortion.

As for Japan and South Korea, their collapsing birthrate comes not only from abortion, but it certainly plays its part along with other anti-natalist societal trends like pushing women into the workforce and expanding marriage to people who can't reproduce.

The democratic experiment can only go so far, with countries like Russia and China embracing Autocracy. Even the developments countries of Europe like France and Germany bear witness to this.

6) I agree with you here, reduce the military budget. Get the U.S.A out of all foreign countries.

[Mayhem]

1) And why is Ukraine cosying up to NATO? Because Putin took over Crimea! They can’t fend him off by themselves sadly.

2) Trump, Biden, not really who has been in power. Global inflation, interest rates spiking, petrol price cartels, covid fallout, and issues also via the conflict in Ukraine (which supplies other food and grain harvests) have all contributed. If the presidential terms were swapped, Trump would have been in the same backlash as Biden seemingly is for things outside of America’s control.

[Bahamut810]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

1) And why is Ukraine cosying up to NATO? Because Putin took over Crimea! They can’t fend him off by themselves sadly.

If you are worrying about Putin so much, convince your government to do more. The USA is contributing more then the next 5 powers to the effort.

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We (the USA) would be in a much better place if the EU (and the UK) would pull their own weight protecting their allies and neighbors from Putin.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

1) And why is Ukraine cosying up to NATO? Because Putin took over Crimea! They can’t fend him off by themselves sadly.

We better hope they don't get into NATO, at least while this conflict is going on. Because 5 minutes later we would all be in WWIII, by default.

[Mayhem]

Originally Posted by Bahamut810

If you are worrying about Putin so much, convince your government to do more. The USA is contributing more then the next 5 powers to the effort.

Every country has a different GDP and thus a different figure based on their wealth generation that they can contribute. You wouldn't expect a tiny country to contribute as much as a huge one such as the US. If we use a different chart from the same site you linked to...

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...-of-donor-gdp/

You will see the UK is donating exactly the same percentage of our GDP as the US is! And many other countries are actually donating more percent wise.

[ZariusTwo]

Post-debate Biden interview set for ABC

https://deadline.com/2024/07/biden-d...os-1235999900/

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

Every country has a different GDP and thus a different figure based on their wealth generation that they can contribute.

Whose fault is that?

[Coola Yagami]

So now it's coming out that Trump had some interludes with kids, and apparently some of MAGA is turning on him?

Guess it's another four years of Biden.....

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

So now it's coming out that Trump had some interludes with kids, and apparently some of MAGA is turning on him?

Where are you getting that? I'd think it would be front page headline news on CNN but I don't see anything.

[Mayhem]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Where are you getting that? I'd think it would be front page headline news on CNN but I don't see anything.

Word is some of the unpublished Epstein papers explicitly name Trump in regards to a few matters, so I’ve been led to believe…

[Coola Yagami]

Twitter's been posting the court documents all day and they go into extensive detail.

[Barkworm]

I haven‘t seen anything on any reputable news outlet about this. It would not be surprising at all (we‘re talking about a guy who has bragged about sexually assaulting women) and it would be ironic because his camp has been framing Biden as a pedophile for years.

BUT: The MAGA crowd wouldn‘t be fazed by this even for a second. Unless he rapes their children in front of their eyes, the liberal media is to blame.

[Autbot_Benz]

Don't forget about that draconian Project2025 nonsense they are gonna try to push if trump wins the election.

[joe-eyeball]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

Don't forget about that draconian Project2025 nonsense they are gonna try to push if trump wins the election.

If he wins?

I’ve got news for you if it ends up being Joe vs. Don then Trump is your next president. I would bet the farm on that and I’m not much of gambling man.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Originally Posted by joe-eyeball

I’ve got news for you if it ends up being Joe vs. Don then Trump is your next president. I would bet the farm on that and I’m not much of gambling man.

You’d probably lose that farm and be left with nothing but the outhouse.

You really think the Establishment will let Trump win again?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

To be fair, I think there is more establishment backing for Trump now than in 2016 or 2020. There's some really big names funding his campaign this time around.

The question is, will Trump submit to his elite backers or will he break free like a true America-First revolutionary should? Only time will tell.

[Barkworm]

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

To be fair, I think there is more establishment backing for Trump now than in 2016 or 2020. There's some really big names funding his campaign this time around.

The question is, will Trump submit to his elite backers or will he break free like a true America-First revolutionary should? Only time will tell.

He is not a revolutionary. He is and always has been a narcissistic opportunist. As if this guy cares one iota about the American people. This election is a grudge match to him because he will never accept that he lost the popular vote twice in a row.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Twitter's been posting the court documents all day and they go into extensive detail.

Originally Posted by Barkworm

I haven‘t seen anything on any reputable news outlet about this. It would not be surprising at all (we‘re talking about a guy who has bragged about sexually assaulting women) and it would be ironic because his camp has been framing Biden as a pedophile for years.

Yeah, I still haven't seen anything still about this. Absolutely, if even a shred of this could be corroborated, the propaganda wing of the government (AKA, the media) would be posting about this everywhere, and in depth. They would LOVE to change the topic from Biden's dementia and would be foaming at the mouth for something like this right now. Which says to me it's bulls***.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

He is not a revolutionary. He is and always has been a narcissistic opportunist. As if this guy cares one iota about the American people. This election is a grudge match to him because he will never accept that he lost the popular vote twice in a row.

I won't disagree with you that he is an opportunist.

Perhaps I'd even go as far as saying that Trump himself is not a revolutionary. His political positions in 2024 are fairly tame and unexceptional.

What I will say though, is that the movement spurred by Trump is revolutionary, because it envisions America being ruled by a strongman dictator. The same movement is gaining traction across much of the world.