Why was Scrag demutated and remutated in within the same episode?

Fishface · 12-22-2018, 01:09 AM

It has been a while since I have posted on this forum but I came back as a thought had struck my head.

Most of you guys have probably seen the 5th episode of the 87 series and remember Scrag's getting demutated, but later on, him and the rest of the punks are seen caged, with him being back in bat form.

Was his mutation only temporary or was he remutated? Any thoughts, theories or queries on this one guys?

P.S. Am I the only one who notices that he's a bat, and DOESN'T have wings? Same with the Lizard mutant, with the fact he doesn't even have a TAIL! Was this part of "Shredder perfecting their mutations?'

*neatoman* · 12-22-2018, 05:41 AM

Because he didn't have a toy.

*FredWolfLeonardo* · 12-22-2018, 02:16 PM

I think the "other" scrag could've just been a different guy experimented upon using the same animal, or just re-mutated again.

Either way, never used by Shredder and Krang again.

*CyberCubed* · 12-23-2018, 09:14 PM

Scrag's only purpose was to show Shredder's Retro-mutagen gun worked and was the real deal, hence why the Turtles/Splinter went after it. That's it.

*sdp* · 12-23-2018, 09:27 PM

I've brought up the fact that we see all the other gang members mutated and Scrag as a mutant again in the episode on the drome many times but no one but me seems to care, so now it's two of us.

I believe my theory was also that he got mutated once again but the retromutagen gun being temporary works as a solution as well. We don't really know what happens to any of them, maybe they got rid of them or maybe even demutated them all (second time for scrag). Some of those designs are cooler than the average mad scientist of the week that plagued the first four seasons of the show so I don't know why they weren't used.

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 12-23-2018, 09:52 PM

I have this headcanon that Shredder was mutating people throughout the series, but was continually disappointed by what came of it, or else just eventually gave up after the frogs. I think he either killed all the rejects, or simply kicked them out, or they escaped. There could still be more mutants running loose in the city, or even hiding in the Technodrome itself....

*pferreira* · 12-24-2018, 04:02 AM

I think I mentioned this elsewhere that they were probably part of failed experiments or maybe Shredder threw the rest of the gang away later on when he saw the mutations were unstable. The retro mutagen gun may not have worked properly and only temporarily did what it was supposed to do. In that case Splinter shouldn't of felt so bad.

Fishface · 12-25-2018, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Scrag's only purpose was to show Shredder's Retro-mutagen gun worked and was the real deal, hence why the Turtles/Splinter went after it. That's it.

But doesn't that leave a hole in the whole concept of it? Why would Shredder make a retro-mutagen gun that is only for temporal use? Did he just forget that Scrag was only a temporal mutant when he tried demutating the turtles?

*FredWolfLeonardo* · 12-25-2018, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Fishface

But doesn't that leave a hole in the whole concept of it? Why would Shredder make a retro-mutagen gun that is only for temporal use? Did he just forget that Scrag was only a temporal mutant when he tried demutating the turtles?

The retro-mutagen gun is never implied to be only temporary. Scrag being demutated and then remutated was most likely an oversight by the animators, since we never see him again.

*sdp* · 12-25-2018, 12:04 PM

But it happened so we need to come up with a in continuity explanation which are the ones being presented here. While we're at it in Turtles Forever we see human rocksteady and beebop as background characters, yikes! How do we explain that one?

*FredWolfLeonardo* · 12-25-2018, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sdp

But it happened so we need to come up with a in continuity explanation which are the ones being presented here. While we're at it in Turtles Forever we see human rocksteady and beebop as background characters, yikes! How do we explain that one?

Turtles Forever not canon to the OT.

DUN DUNN DUNNN

But on topic, I did offer two in canon explanations in my first post.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 01-02-2019, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

since we never see him again.

But by that time, we never knew he wouldn't be back again (except Turtles Forever).

cammy85 · 01-02-2019, 10:45 AM

It was to show off the potential of the Retromutagen ray to lure the Turtles and/or Splinter into a trap. Should Krang's new body fail, Shredder then had all those extra mutants to fall back on since Bebop and Rocksteady weren't seen again in Shredder and Splintered after being buried in cement. Had the series not been picked up for Season 2, there would be no need to suddenly have them back in the Technodrome in Dimension X in Return of the Shredder.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 01-02-2019, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by cammy85

It was to show off the potential of the Retromutagen ray to lure the Turtles and/or Splinter into a trap. Should Krang's new body fail, Shredder then had all those extra mutants to fall back on since Bebop and Rocksteady weren't seen again in Shredder and Splintered after being buried in cement. Had the series not been picked up for Season 2, there would be no need to suddenly have them back in the Technodrome in Dimension X in Return of the Shredder.

It's easy to imagine them returning back into the Technodrome before Donatello sends it to Dimension X, but the storyline would be better if it was something like:

Bebop and Rocksteady escape the cement, and return to the underground cavern where the Technodrome was, only to discover it gone. They hide in some house ready for demolition (banned by the authorities to live in). Finally in Return of the Shredder they encounter Shredder ending up on Earth, landing in the New York City Central Park.

*pferreira* · 01-25-2019, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

Turtles Forever not canon to the OT.

DUN DUNN DUNNN

I like your thinking.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 01-27-2019, 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Fishface

Why would Shredder make a retro-mutagen gun that is only for temporal use?

To trick Splinter and the turtles to come into the Technodrome?

The Great Saiyaman · 01-31-2019, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

Turtles Forever not canon to the OT.

DUN DUNN DUNNN

But on topic, I did offer two in canon explanations in my first post.

I totally agree, "Turtles Forever" isn't canon and the eighties turtles were never so badly misrepresented as they were in TF. I mean crying on the shoulders of their 2003 counterparts, what were the producers THINKING?

At least their appearance in the "Trans dimensional Turtles" episode of the 2012 series made up for everything. They behaved in character and were voiced by the actual voice actors.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 01-31-2019, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by The Great Saiyaman

were voiced by the actual voice actors.

They weren't always even in the original series, and that didn't prevent those episodes from being canon.

*neatoman* · 01-31-2019, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by The Great Saiyaman

I mean crying on the shoulders of their 2003 counterparts, what were the producers THINKING?

What they were thinking? Well, put yourself into this mindset:

You didn't grow up with the Fred Wolf show. In fact, you might have already been an adult when it first aired. You have spent the last few years adapting the comic series to the best of your abilities. Then you're tasked to do a crossover with an earlier attempt to make a cartoon out of it, so you sit and watch a few episodes of that. What are you going to see?

You'll see it for what it is, a clumsy piece of fluff that's both poorly animated and hastily written. Why would that be worth anything else but mockery?

*FredWolfLeonardo* · 01-31-2019, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by neatoman

What they were thinking? Well, put yourself into this mindset:

You didn't grow up with the Fred Wolf show. In fact, you might have already been an adult when it first aired. You have spent the last few years adapting the comic series to the best of your abilities. Then you're tasked to do a crossover with an earlier attempt to make a cartoon out of it, so you sit and watch a few episodes of that. What are you going to see?

You'll see it for what it is, a clumsy piece of fluff that's both poorly animated and hastily written. Why would that be worth anything else but mockery?

Interestingly, it does seem that when working on portraying the world of the 80s cartoon universe, the writers of Turtles Forever took most of their inspiration from season one, which many people consider to be objectively superior to many other seasons. For example:

1. Leonardo and Rocksteady have deeper voices akin to their season 1 appearances.

2. Krang frequently croaks/burps, which he almost never did past season 1.

3. The entire Ninja Pizzeria district can be seen in the 80s universe, only appearing in episode 1 of that show.

4. Many specific lines which are lifted directly from season 1: "You have a mind like a steel trap".

12-22-2018, 01:09 AM	#1
Fishface Foot Soldier Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Australia Posts: 175	Why was Scrag demutated and remutated in within the same episode? It has been a while since I have posted on this forum but I came back as a thought had struck my head. Most of you guys have probably seen the 5th episode of the 87 series and remember Scrag's getting demutated, but later on, him and the rest of the punks are seen caged, with him being back in bat form. Was his mutation only temporary or was he remutated? Any thoughts, theories or queries on this one guys? P.S. Am I the only one who notices that he's a bat, and DOESN'T have wings? Same with the Lizard mutant, with the fact he doesn't even have a TAIL! Was this part of "Shredder perfecting their mutations?'

12-23-2018, 09:27 PM	#5
sdp Megan Fox = April Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tokio, Italy Posts: 9,999	I've brought up the fact that we see all the other gang members mutated and Scrag as a mutant again in the episode on the drome many times but no one but me seems to care, so now it's two of us. I believe my theory was also that he got mutated once again but the retromutagen gun being temporary works as a solution as well. We don't really know what happens to any of them, maybe they got rid of them or maybe even demutated them all (second time for scrag). Some of those designs are cooler than the average mad scientist of the week that plagued the first four seasons of the show so I don't know why they weren't used. __________________ *Bye* *TMNT !!! I'm unaliving tonight* Click to join The Drome Discord server

12-23-2018, 09:52 PM	#6
MsMarvelDuckie I Married a Duck! Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: The bowels of Hell, Texas(otherwise known as Decatur) Posts: 8,772	I have this headcanon that Shredder was mutating people throughout the series, but was continually disappointed by what came of it, or else just eventually gave up after the frogs. I think he either killed all the rejects, or simply kicked them out, or they escaped. There could still be more mutants running loose in the city, or even hiding in the Technodrome itself.... __________________ "You IDIOTS! You've captured their STUNT doubles!" -from "Spaceballs" "Where Science ends, magic begins." -Spiral, Uncanny X-Men #491 My various stories and fan-fics are now here- https://m.fanfiction.net/u/4770494/#end

12-25-2018, 12:04 PM	#10
sdp Megan Fox = April Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tokio, Italy Posts: 9,999	But it happened so we need to come up with a in continuity explanation which are the ones being presented here. While we're at it in Turtles Forever we see human rocksteady and beebop as background characters, yikes! How do we explain that one? __________________ *Bye* *TMNT !!! I'm unaliving tonight* Click to join The Drome Discord server

12-23-2018, 09:14 PM	#4
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 41,050	Scrag's only purpose was to show Shredder's Retro-mutagen gun worked and was the real deal, hence why the Turtles/Splinter went after it. That's it.

12-24-2018, 04:02 AM	#7
pferreira Foot Elite Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,514	I think I mentioned this elsewhere that they were probably part of failed experiments or maybe Shredder threw the rest of the gang away later on when he saw the mutations were unstable. The retro mutagen gun may not have worked properly and only temporarily did what it was supposed to do. In that case Splinter shouldn't of felt so bad.

01-02-2019, 10:45 AM	#13
cammy85 Stone Warrior Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Minnedosa, MB Canada Posts: 703	It was to show off the potential of the Retromutagen ray to lure the Turtles and/or Splinter into a trap. Should Krang's new body fail, Shredder then had all those extra mutants to fall back on since Bebop and Rocksteady weren't seen again in Shredder and Splintered after being buried in cement. Had the series not been picked up for Season 2, there would be no need to suddenly have them back in the Technodrome in Dimension X in Return of the Shredder.